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Genuinely curious what you all think. Can break this down to a simple one on one fight, melee weapons only....

Good question.

My money is on the Khorne Beserker since they are pretty much insane marines further fueled my insane rage magic.

But honestly, I think it is as close to the limit of human nuttiness as one can get.

You also can toss in the Eversor as high lord craziness in this craziness battle!

Things like this never work because they break down into arguments between people who read the novels about which character did the most outrageous thing relating to the OP's subject. I, for instance read this title before I clicked on it and thought, "Well, the Berzerker wins seven days a week, hands down." Then I realized I know *nothing* about blood angels. Khorne Berzerker still wins though, because this boils down to, "Crazy Space Marine" Vs "Crazy Space Marine with the blessing of a chaos god."

Who ever you know more about wins, because those are the guys you are most interested in should always win.

Well, one is a 10,000 year old Veteran of constant fighting empowered by the magic of extra-dimensional eldritch horrors and the other is a standard space marine with anger issues.

Khorne bezerker.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Well, one is a 10,000 year old Veteran of constant fighting empowered by the magic of extra-dimensional eldritch horrors and the other is a standard space marine with anger issues.

Khorne bezerker.

Or he's a newly fallen Astartes with anger issues.

The question I want to know is who's truly angrier... an ex-Flesh Tearer, Death Company member who falls to Khorne and becomes a Berserker or the Incredible Hulk?

 Powerfisting wrote:
Things like this never work because they break down into arguments between people who read the novels about which character did the most outrageous thing relating to the OP's subject. I, for instance read this title before I clicked on it and thought, "Well, the Berzerker wins seven days a week, hands down." Then I realized I know *nothing* about blood angels. Khorne Berzerker still wins though, because this boils down to, "Crazy Space Marine" Vs "Crazy Space Marine with the blessing of a chaos god."

Who ever you know more about wins, because those are the guys you are most interested in should always win.

On the plus side, World Eaters are even crazier than normal bezerkers!

My vote is for a guy named Fred.

Fred works hard all week and is rudely awoken from peaceful slumber one night by some 7-foot-tall giants swinging chainswords at each other.

Fred has to get up early and go to work the next morning, so he finds the interruption of his slumber more than disagreeable.

Fred heads down the stairs, out the door, and on to the street and stands between these two Space Marines to which he gives a strong lecture to the both of them, peppering this impassioned speech with nuggets like, "You should be ashamed of yourselves", and "You're both lucky I don't call the local Arbites", and "What would your mothers think of you being out all hours of the night?"

These two armored monsters of the battlefield are visibly cowed and can only respond with a sheepish "I'm sorry" and slink away dejectedly in to the dark of the early morning hours to continue their battle at a more reasonable time of day.

Fred has a point.

death company. He is fueled by a primarchs wrath. Sanguinius's at that. Sorry, khorne is the god of war, not the god of crazy. (matter a fact, he used to be honorable, like a samurai)

DC are basically experiencing the hate and pain that sanguinius felt when he learned horus had betrayed not only him, but the emperor and everyone else. Normal humans get FURIOUS when they are hurt in that way. take it to primarch levels and... look out.

 raiden wrote:
(matter a fact, he used to be honorable, like a samurai)

I think draw. The Death Company would lose at first and be mortally wounded, but would manage to fight on, and it would all be a bit like the end of Gladiator. Just when the Berserker thinks he's won, the DC would find inner strength, and make a surprise comeback. It would be super close with the DC finally smashing in the World Eater's skull with a brick, and then falling back exhausted to die himself. Staring up at the blue sky swirling above him, coughs up some blood, sees visions of Sanguinius come to take his soul *music plays*.

I guess the DC kind of wins because death in battle is what he was going for. But Khorne also wins, getting two skulls for the price of one.

Honestly a Flesh Tearer fallen to the Black Rage is no different than a Blood Angel fallen to the Black Rage. It overrides their own sense of self, so the cultural differences between the Flesh Tearers and Blood Angels just goes out the window.

won't the khorne berserker have like 10,000 year old slaughter blessed weapons on hand in the fight?

He could be a recent turncoat

People keep assuming every chaos marine is 10,000 years old. All of them aren't that old people. Space Marines turn all the time. I would think most of the originals are dead.

Also, none of them have had 10,000 years of life. They live in the warp!

Well, you said "World Eater". Not all of them are Berserkers. Also, the question isn't "who would win", but "who is the more savage fighter".

"Melee weapons only" is not very specific when we're talking about 40k, but to make it fair, the two should be unarmed and unarmoured.

I would say that the World Eater would be the angriest, and possibly a superior combatant. However, the title of "most savage" goes to the Death Company Marine - World Eaters are not known to eat the flesh of their enemies, which is a fairly savage act if there ever was one.

I thought all World Eaters became bezerkers.

There are still warbands of World Eaters, and while I imagine most of them are Berserkers, it couldn't really be all. I don't know if there are any official sources that state specifically whether it's all or most, though.

EDIT: It'd be fairly "out of character" for the 40k setting in general, where things are usually left with intentional room for player choice ("most" being Berserkers still gives players freedom to play World Eater warbands that aren't Unbound lists of nothing but Berserkers). This is why I imagine not all of the Cult Troops, with the exception of the Thousand Sons (because it's important to their backstory), are their whole - not all Emperor's Children are Noise Marines and not all Death Guard are Plague Marines. Blessed by their God perhaps, but not to that extent.

I was under the impression that the original legions for each chaos god became the specific marines for their gods. There are no non Plague Marine Deathguard, No Thousand Sons who aren't... Thousand Sons. etc.

With the Sons, it's a vital component of their backstory. They are required to be Rubric Marines because of, well, the Rubric. Like I said before, it would be fairly off-form for the setting if it were truly as you said, as it would mean that anyone who wants to create a Death Guard/World Eaters/Emperor's Children warband would either have to fill it with post-Heresy recruits, exclusively run Plague Marines/Berserkers/Noise Marines, or fudge the fluff a bit. Yes, "there is no canon" and all that, but it's good to have nothing official declaring your army as contradicting Codex material. It's like how the Blood Angels are known for their Assault Marines and variants thereof, but they still have Devastators/Tacticals/Terminators and so on, because limiting a Blood Angel fan to Assault-only only would be rather unfair (although they are maybe a bad example due to having their own Codex, I think it illustrates my point). I'm not saying that there definitely is a GW-official source stating that "not all Death Guard/Emperor's Children/World Eaters...", but that there should be. All it would do is get ignored by people who want to make armies out of those Legions.

Well the OP stated "World Eater" so it will be a 10,000 year old veteran. Most likely now a khorne bezerker, if not then he will have the butchers nails hammered into his skull so either way he's going to be utterly savage and unrelenting in combat, doesn't care about survival, fights to kill not to survive.
But then the Death Company has the black rage and seeks death, but also fights to kill rather than survive.

Hard line up

 PhillyT wrote:
Also, none of them have had 10,000 years of life. They live in the warp!

The warp actually is not regular. It extends time as much as it shortens it. There may be veterans of 100,000 years of combat in the Legions.

Well, we can safely say that they're quite old. Veterans, one might say. Of something that could potentially be called "the Long War".

 PhillyT wrote:
Also, none of them have had 10,000 years of life. They live in the warp!

Time fluctuates in the warp. They could be just 100 years old, or 100,000.

Can you seriously compare a Veteran who fought amongst giants and possibly murdered thousands, to a pathetic whelp, A baby in comparison?
If it's an original World Eater, A true son of Angron who fought during those days where Orks were the size of dreadnoughts to 40K's mockeries, Who pale in comparison.
A man who possibly honed his skill and fought in the Conqueror's fighting pits for hours upon hours, A man whose Bloodthirst is never sated?

At least that's my headcanon.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Well, one is a 10,000 year old Veteran of constant fighting empowered by the magic of extra-dimensional eldritch horrors and the other is a standard space marine with anger issues.

Khorne bezerker.

Ha ha ha! That's funny! A standard marine with anger issues? That's just hilarious.

Khonsu wrote:
Can you seriously compare a Veteran who fought amongst giants and possibly murdered thousands, to a pathetic whelp, A baby in comparison?
If it's an original World Eater, A true son of Angron who fought during those days where Orks were the size of dreadnoughts to 40K's mockeries, Who pale in comparison.
A man who possibly honed his skill and fought in the Conqueror's fighting pits for hours upon hours, A man whose Bloodthirst is never sated?

At least that's my headcanon.

Haha... Isn't it in Chosen of Khorne that the last of the World Eater's captians (except Kharn) names a fallen Blood Angel as his champion to face Kharn in single combat??? Just a note, if the Champion loses then the person they championed dies too.

"A true son of Angron who fought during those days where Orks were the size of dreadnoughts to 40K's mockeries, Who pale in comparison.
A man who possibly honed his skill and fought in the Conqueror's fighting pits for hours upon hours, A man whose Bloodthirst is never sated" and still names a Blood Angel to be his champion. Or do you mean Kharn is the only World Eater left??? Because I think he is the only one who really fits that discrption.

*****Spoiler*******

Kharn kills the Blood Angel with a single swing of a rusty gladius and then takes the captain's head. Then he tells the assembled warriors to fight each other because "He cares not from where the blood flows".

 Stonerhino wrote:

Khonsu wrote:
Can you seriously compare a Veteran who fought amongst giants and possibly murdered thousands, to a pathetic whelp, A baby in comparison?
If it's an original World Eater, A true son of Angron who fought during those days where Orks were the size of dreadnoughts to 40K's mockeries, Who pale in comparison.
A man who possibly honed his skill and fought in the Conqueror's fighting pits for hours upon hours, A man whose Bloodthirst is never sated?

At least that's my headcanon.

Haha... Isn't it in Chosen of Khorne that the last of the World Eater's captians (except Kharn) names a fallen Blood Angel as his champion to face Kharn in single combat??? Just a note, if the Champion loses then the person they championed dies too.

"A true son of Angron who fought during those days where Orks were the size of dreadnoughts to 40K's mockeries, Who pale in comparison.
A man who possibly honed his skill and fought in the Conqueror's fighting pits for hours upon hours, A man whose Bloodthirst is never sated" and still names a Blood Angel to be his champion. Or do you mean Kharn is the only World Eater left??? Because I think he is the only one who really fits that discrption.

*****Spoiler*******
Kharn kills the Blood Angel with a single swing of a rusty gladius and then takes the captain's head. Then he tells the assembled warriors to fight each other because "He cares not from where the blood flows".

I think the rest of your text answers your post.

So then you are arguing that Kharn is the ONLY World Eater. It might be easier to just say Kharn then. It is a mouth full to say "If it's an original World Eater, A true son of Angron who fought during those days where Orks were the size of dreadnoughts to 40K's mockeries, Who pale in comparison.
A man who possibly honed his skill and fought in the Conqueror's fighting pits for hours upon hours, A man whose Bloodthirst is never sated?".