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 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrokenRecord wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Blood Angels Rumors / Tyranid RumorsThe Spawn of Cryptus is a very large Broodlord towering over the height of warriors. Both the Spawn of Cryptus and Captian Karlean are new models.

I'm wondering if we already saw this special Broodlord here: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/11/news-more-images-of-new-broodlord.html

I have a hard time believing that since the Broodlord is on the cover of the Tyranid painting book--and they have not used "limited edition" products for those things. They had the opportunity to do so with Krom Dragongaze on Space Wolves and instead went for Logan Grimnar.

They're both HQs. Did the nids get a new HQ in plastic with their recent codex release or the mini-wave they had a few weeks ago? In the case of the SW codex, they just used the more physically imposing model.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, that's a far higher savings per side than the Storm Claw box set. Each side is getting the character for "free" and still getting a discount on the actual units. So basically it's over 50% off the contents of the box even before discounts. Interesting...

Yeah, if true, that box is an absolute steal.

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrokenRecord wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Blood Angels Rumors / Tyranid RumorsThe Spawn of Cryptus is a very large Broodlord towering over the height of warriors. Both the Spawn of Cryptus and Captian Karlean are new models.

I'm wondering if we already saw this special Broodlord here: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/11/news-more-images-of-new-broodlord.html

I have a hard time believing that since the Broodlord is on the cover of the Tyranid painting book--and they have not used "limited edition" products for those things. They had the opportunity to do so with Krom Dragongaze on Space Wolves and instead went for Logan Grimnar.

They're both HQs. Did the nids get a new HQ in plastic with their recent codex release or the mini-wave they had a few weeks ago? In the case of the SW codex, they just used the more physically imposing model.

I think you missed the point I was making.

In the case of both the Dark Eldar and Space Wolf paint books, they each had the opportunity for something that is contained within the book proper but not available as a general release item.
In the case of Dark Eldar there is a nicely converted Archon that gets shown a lot within the painting book. Yet he's not on the cover despite him and his Kabal taking up an inordinate amount of space within the book.
For Space Wolves, you had Logan Grimnar or Bjorn or the much sought after Krom Dragongaze(who arguably with Grukk Facerippa was a HUGE selling point for the Stormclaw box) models which could have been on the cover...yet, again they went with a general release item.

I have a very hard time believing that they're NOT going to release that Broodlord as an item by himself. For one thing, two of their best selling blisters for Tyranids(Zoanthropes and Venomthropes) are now gone with the plastic box coming out tomorrow. That leaves the Pyrovore, Biovore, and Broodlord models as blisters.
Out of all of those? Not a single one are stocked in a GW store.
It's not too farfetched to think that the Broodlord is going to be a new item that will be on general release.

I'm not missing the point but rather making a different one. You focused exclusively on that difference in availabilility and I pointed out a similarity.

Maybe they will release the broodlord as well as a general release item. Somethings are changing at GW if the rumors are to be believed like a return to softcover books as an option. I think it is a good idea to release the models normally after a certain exclusivity time like 6 months and I don't think it'll affect the sales of the boxed set too much. People will still want the savings on the kits (especially if they're splitting with friends) and the small format rulebook along with the two special minis.

I focused on "the difference in availability" because it is the single most important thing to take into account when you start looking at GW's thought process.

Natfka's next week rumor sources were pretty good lately. This is probably shown in the Nov 29th White Dwarf issue. Pics should be leaked soon (monday?)

 gorgon wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, that's a far higher savings per side than the Storm Claw box set. Each side is getting the character for "free" and still getting a discount on the actual units. So basically it's over 50% off the contents of the box even before discounts. Interesting...

Yeah, if true, that box is an absolute steal.

Which makes me inclined to disbelieve this rumor. GW doesn't do deals.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, that's a far higher savings per side than the Storm Claw box set. Each side is getting the character for "free" and still getting a discount on the actual units. So basically it's over 50% off the contents of the box even before discounts. Interesting...

Yeah, if true, that box is an absolute steal.

Which makes me inclined to disbelieve this rumor. GW doesn't do deals.

Except they do. Like the Stormclaw box before this one.

And the savings are quite similiar

Would be a bit sad though... limited edition broodlord...

I was kinda hoping for something more BA-y, with more jump infantry. A DC dreadnought would be cool though. The 5 DC might suffice.

 pretre wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, that's a far higher savings per side than the Storm Claw box set. Each side is getting the character for "free" and still getting a discount on the actual units. So basically it's over 50% off the contents of the box even before discounts. Interesting...

Yeah, if true, that box is an absolute steal.

Which makes me inclined to disbelieve this rumor. GW doesn't do deals.

Except they do. Like the Stormclaw box before this one.

The Stormclaw box was very good to me.

Well, assuming it's true (and no reason why it wouldn't), it's a nice box, but it once again leaves me wondering, why can't they just put a decent troop choice in these boxes?? I mean, the Stormclaw had no Ork Boyz at all, wtf? If this box had been done right, it would have been GREAT buy on top of the Space Hulk, which had Broodlord, Termies and Genestealers. But instead, this box gives us another Broodlord, more 'Stealers and Termies.

These boxes are a great idea and give decent savings, but the composition is just not useful for a starting player.

 gorgon wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, that's a far higher savings per side than the Storm Claw box set. Each side is getting the character for "free" and still getting a discount on the actual units. So basically it's over 50% off the contents of the box even before discounts. Interesting...

Yeah, if true, that box is an absolute steal.

Which makes me inclined to disbelieve this rumor. GW doesn't do deals.

Except they do. Like the Stormclaw box before this one.

The Stormclaw box was very good to me.

I made $3 off it and kept what I wanted.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I have a hard time believing that since the Broodlord is on the cover of the Tyranid painting book--and they have not used "limited edition" products for those things. They had the opportunity to do so with Krom Dragongaze on Space Wolves and instead went for Logan Grimnar.

These two things aren't related, and I doubt they put as much thought into it as you just did. They used Logan as he was a big flashy new model.

And they can put whatever they want on the front of a painting guide.

Think I'll pass on this one and it's contents from resellers. SH gives me all the BA Termies I need, I have way too many captains as it is, and at the moment, don't really need more Death Co. If I can get a squad super cheap on EBay, I might, but unlike Stormclaw, I won't regret not getting it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I have a hard time believing that since the Broodlord is on the cover of the Tyranid painting book--and they have not used "limited edition" products for those things. They had the opportunity to do so with Krom Dragongaze on Space Wolves and instead went for Logan Grimnar.

These two things aren't related, and I doubt they put as much thought into it as you just did. They used Logan as he was a big flashy new model.

And they can put whatever they want on the front of a painting guide.

Bjorn was a big shiny new model.
Murderfang was a big shiny new model.
Then there was the plastic Archon, Succubus, Wracks, etc for Dark Eldar...and they picked the Haemonculi.

So while I might have put more thought into it, they do have an established pattern.

The end result for me was with Stormclaw:
1x SW character
1x Ork character
1x Mini rulebook + campaign booklet
25x SW Terminators
50x SW Marines
25x Nobz
50x Gretchin
5x Ork herders
15x Killa Kans
cost €245

And I made some folks very happy with 'cheap' characters and mini rulebooks.

I suspect I'll order a ton of Deathstorm boxed sets!

Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

The contents of Stormclaw was horribly slanted pointwise and effectiveness wise towards space wolves.

I'm convinced the contents of these campaign boxes is to move overstock of the respective included factions.

 Kanluwen wrote:
So while I might have put more thought into it, they do have an established pattern.

And you should know by now that GW likes to change horses multiple times during every race, so saying they have a 'pattern' is folly.

New book may change something for BA perhaps? Nids sit at HQ, 2 Troops, and a HS with this set.

Of course, if Nafkta is right on this.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually.

They make perfect sense. Captain of 1st Company + Terminators, plus something key to the identity of the Blood Angels (Death Company), plus something big and stompy also flavoured to the Blood Angels (Dead Co. dread). Doesn't need to adhere to the FOC because:

1. The scenarios and formations in the booklet allow these units to be fielded as a single force.
2. You don't need to adhere to the FOC in regular 40K anyway 'cause of Unbound.

 adamsouza wrote:
The contents of Stormclaw was horribly slanted pointwise and effectiveness wise towards space wolves.

Always is. I don't think the Space Marines have ever come out on the wrong side of the power equation in a 40K boxed set. You can read my Dark Verngearnce Campaign. We played it out as written just to show how ridiculously unbalanced the lists were. Chaos only won a single scenario, lol.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually.

They make perfect sense. Captain of 1st Company + Terminators, plus something key to the identity of the Blood Angels (Death Company), plus something big and stompy also flavoured to the Blood Angels (Dead Co. dread). Doesn't need to adhere to the FOC because:

1. The scenarios and formations in the booklet allow these units to be fielded as a single force.
2. You don't need to adhere to the FOC in regular 40K anyway 'cause of Unbound.

Or, possibly...

3. Blood Angels 1st Capt has a USR that makes Terminators a troop choice (while it does seem FOC switches have disappeared since 7th, it can't be dismissed as impossible.)

If the rumours are right, the Blood Angels are getting a HQ, Elite and two Troops, perfectly legal CAD right there

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

It has 2. Death Company Dreadnought is a Troops choice.

 theharrower wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

It has 2. Death Company Dreadnought is a Troops choice.

Oh, ok then. I was not aware of that fact. I wonder if it is a DC dread only or if it is the full furioso set.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 theharrower wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

It has 2. Death Company Dreadnought is a Troops choice.

Oh, ok then. I was not aware of that fact. I wonder if it is a DC dread only or if it is the full furioso set.

its the full set

It would have to be. They're not gonna clip all the non-DC dread bits off the sprues so you can't use them.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

No, it's:

1x HQ (captain)
1x Elite (termies)
2x Troops (DC & DC Dread)

But if you get all the Dread sprues you could make a Furioso or Furioso Librarian (so another Elite).

The only thing is none of those units are objective secured until we get a new codex...