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Pulled out a magnifying glass on the new white dwarf. Blood talons are indeed str x2, ap2, shred. Magna grapples got an interesting change. Now, and UNIT containing one or more magna grapples has the move through cover special rule and may reroll failed charges against vehicles.

There are a couple of borderline posts over the last page or 2. If you guys can't pull your heads in then warnings will need to be handed out

 Sidstyler wrote:
Oh, that's just as good, because BA-specific terminators are another kit that no one was asking for. Especially since everyone who wants them has the SH termies for that already.

I've got Space Hulk and I would love a Blood Angel specific terminator set. I was hoping for a new termie unit to be honest. In my opinion Space Hulk is the reason why we should our own termie unit. I was thinking something like mixed squads between tactical termies and assault termies. Perhaps even getting one the Space Hulk Sergeants as an entry in the codex.


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 Kirasu wrote:

 troa wrote:
Given you're so cynical Sidstyler, I'd like to point out they don't have the CC variant represented very well in SH. Given it's probably an easy thing to make them if they do, why is it such a big deal anyway?

DC terminators also don't make any sense given the rarity of terminator armor *and* the purpose of DC (which is to die). I personally don't mind more terminators even if they are a functionally useless unit..

The game is about forging a narrative. I guess you could put a narrative together that the terminator squad falls to the black rage after the battle begins. We already know from the books that's it's possible for a whole squad to go mental at a moments notice. If you want to stick strictly to the fluff then I suppose you could just paint them red and inform your opponent that they fell to the black rage without any time to repaint their armour black.


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 warboss wrote:
It makes no sense fluffwise. Terminator armor is slow and cumbersome in the fluff and giving it to crazed lunatics would only frustrate them, not make them better. Each suit is also a relic of the chapter thousands of years old in most cases with a tiny piece of the emperor's own armor in it and they wouldn't/shouldn't hand one over to a looney who would jump off a cliff to chase down a xenos damaging or destroying it.

Well they get visions of the Horus heresy. I don't think that necessarily means they are unaware of the armour they are wearing.

 DarthOvious wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Oh, that's just as good, because BA-specific terminators are another kit that no one was asking for. Especially since everyone who wants them has the SH termies for that already.

I've got Space Hulk and I would love a Blood Angel specific terminator set. I was hoping for a new termie unit to be honest. In my opinion Space Hulk is the reason why we should our own termie unit. I was thinking something like mixed squads between tactical termies and assault termies. Perhaps even getting one the Space Hulk Sergeants as an entry in the codex.

So what you're saying is that you want Deathwing Terminators, except Blood Angel-y?

From my VERY limited understanding of Blood Angels, just getting into them when Shields of Baal was announced because my lovely Tyranids need something to chew on, the Black Rage means the Marine is removed from his squad and put in special black armor, no matter if he was a Devastator, Terminator or a driver of a Predator tank. The Black Rage isn't the Red Thirst, and the Thirst is what appears on the tabletop for a squad, right? The Rage is what is seen at muster and the Marine is removed from his squad.

So a Terminator squad just wouldn't fit at all. It's not even about painting their armor since they are given special suicide armor before they go out, right?

 th3maninblak wrote:
Pulled out a magnifying glass on the new white dwarf. Blood talons are indeed str x2, ap2, shred. Magna grapples got an interesting change. Now, and UNIT containing one or more magna grapples has the move through cover special rule and may reroll failed charges against vehicles.

Don't suppose you could post any pics of Smaug the Golden in the below thread?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/625049.page

On topic: Sounds like Blood Angels will be fun

 troa wrote:
The kits on the whole had bad mold lines, the packs are just the worst part for me. The jump packs I've had issues with are newer (the past 2 years or so) since that is when I started 40k.

The newer DC packs fit together almost perfectly by comparison.

True, but I would probably use the DC jump packs for my blood angels now anyway for the Blood Angel iconography. If they did a new Assault Marines box they would need to make it viable for all Space Marine chapters. They may already plan a new Assault Marine box at a later point for Space marines considering how they seem to be operating now. i.e. Releasing new kits outside codex release.


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 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:

 mitch_rifle wrote:
Another marine box? it's cool and all but for the love of god please give chaos some love

the sculpts are old and the aesthetic and design are just horrid

Please lord kirby gives us some fething chaos stuff

Chaos comment in a Blood Angel thread, seriously?

Well, Blood Angels are just a short step from Heresy

LIES!!!!!!!!!! No we're not. Chaos may try but they will always be unsuccessful.


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 Accolade wrote:
Paradigm, I still don't understand why they wouldn't be more interested in trying to make Termies a more popular option rules-wise. It's not about being competitive, even a casual player would like his or her units to fair well in the game (IG Rough Riders for a example). And while I agree that people will buy units because they look cool (I admit I misspoke about that point in my last post), it's obvious how many more kits would sell if units were considered to be good.

Look at DE Scourges- they're a great kit that was only slightly popular with the last codex cycle, but that has entirely turned about with the new codex. GW seems to recognize they have a problem regarding excess terminator stock, and are addressing it in a decent way. I'm just wondering why they wouldn't give some more thought as to why they have so much excess stock.

Perhaps allowing two heavy/special weapons in a 5 man unit of tactical termies would help them out. Just imagine 8 assault cannon shots coming from a 5 man unit.

 DarthOvious wrote:
I've got Space Hulk and I would love a Blood Angel specific terminator set. I was hoping for a new termie unit to be honest. In my opinion Space Hulk is the reason why we should our own termie unit. I was thinking something like mixed squads between tactical termies and assault termies. Perhaps even getting one the Space Hulk Sergeants as an entry in the codex..

While in the surface more Chapter-specific boxes are a nice idea, the big problem with it is that GW can't keep their full range on the shelf now. The more new boxes they add, the worse that gets.

We're rapidly approaching the point where having any of the range in B&M stores is largely pointless, as people are going to have to pick up most of their stuff from the GW webstore anyway.

what with all this Blood Angels talk I wonder if now is the time to sell my old BA collection that sits and collects dust >.>

Kavik_Whitescar wrote:
what with all this Blood Angels talk I wonder if now is the time to sell my old BA collection that sits and collects dust >.>

Right after a new codex comes out is usually a slightly better time to sell. The length that boost lasts is frequently dependent on how good the reception is for the changes in the army with the new book. If you don't want to or enjoy playing BA then I'd say sell. Just don't do it because of something as trivial as a possible base size change for one model type (assuming that factors into your decision).

 warboss wrote:

Kavik_Whitescar wrote:
what with all this Blood Angels talk I wonder if now is the time to sell my old BA collection that sits and collects dust >.>

Right after a new codex comes out is usually a slightly better time to sell. The length that boost lasts is frequently dependent on how good the reception is for the changes in the army with the new book. If you don't want to or enjoy playing BA then I'd say sell. Just don't do it because of something as trivial as a possible base size change for one model type (assuming that factors into your decision).

Im a wolves player not a fan of anything the BA have or do tbh just have a good start to a BA army

From Natfka:

Captain Karlean WS6 just over 150pts
Terminator Armour with Iron Halo, storm bolter, and Relic of Baal: melee, concussive, master crafted, specialist weapon and unwieldy.

Strategic Genius: +1 seize the initiative, and can re-roll any reserve roll

Deathstorm now sold out on US site.

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
So are they getting rid of sanguinary guard all together.....I would be very upset that would be 30 models with no use basicly no army left for me especially if assault squads are no longer troops.....not freaking out just really looking for the scoop so I can accept what is coming.

I would probably just assume a re-boxing.


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 troa wrote:

Motograter wrote:

 troa wrote:

Motograter wrote:
I imagine the sanguinary guard and death company will all be in boxes of 10 from now on

Okay, WHY would they pack Sanguinary Guard in boxes of 10 when the unit size is 5?

Don`t recall saying they would, Its an opinion. I could be wrong who knows. Currently they are taken in units of 5 but whats to say they wont be 10 man squads in the new book (unless you know something we dont?)

It could also be other reasons as mentioned above, ie repacked with new bases, to sell more models etc. To be fair it matter little unless they are hugely improved anyway in the new book

It is not an opinion, it is speculation, and how you phrased it was not "well, maybe this will happen" it was "I bet this will happen." If speculation and opinion are the same to you, I encourage you to better define both for yourself.

I also find it amusing that you ask if I know something you don't, when the change you are "imagining" would require a change to current unit size. That means what you've said, especially with SG, has the same line of reasoning as if I was to say "Sanguinary priests will probably come in packs of 6 because I bet they upped the unit size to 6." That's not an opinion, now is it?

Simply put, if you're going to toss out wild speculations, have some reasoning for it. "Because who knows?" is invalid reasoning.

To be fair you don't know either. It is just a possible reason why such a thing is happening. You yourself are in fact just speculating at this point. like he is.

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 ceorron wrote:
What am I missing? Why is the new blood angels tactical squad on bigger bases???

It appears many models are going to be changing base sizes in the near future.

"it appears" is also speculation by your own standards. Perhaps you could define it it as your opinion.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Oh, that's just as good, because BA-specific terminators are another kit that no one was asking for. Especially since everyone who wants them has the SH termies for that already.

I've got Space Hulk and I would love a Blood Angel specific terminator set. I was hoping for a new termie unit to be honest. In my opinion Space Hulk is the reason why we should our own termie unit. I was thinking something like mixed squads between tactical termies and assault termies. Perhaps even getting one the Space Hulk Sergeants as an entry in the codex.

So what you're saying is that you want Deathwing Terminators, except Blood Angel-y?

I suppose so, I know it's what Dark Angels do, but I think we have precedent to show we do it as well. Wouldn't be bothered if we got something unique either though, like a new termie unit of some sort with new equipment, but the former would certainly make complete sense to me.


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 SharkoutofWata wrote:
From my VERY limited understanding of Blood Angels, just getting into them when Shields of Baal was announced because my lovely Tyranids need something to chew on, the Black Rage means the Marine is removed from his squad and put in special black armor, no matter if he was a Devastator, Terminator or a driver of a Predator tank. The Black Rage isn't the Red Thirst, and the Thirst is what appears on the tabletop for a squad, right? The Rage is what is seen at muster and the Marine is removed from his squad.

So a Terminator squad just wouldn't fit at all. It's not even about painting their armor since they are given special suicide armor before they go out, right?

Not quite right. The black rage is not recovered from. It's a permanent decent into madness. The red thirst is when the blood angels get a bit over zealous but they are not lost. Those that fall to the black rage have visions of the Horus heresy.


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 insaniak wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:
I've got Space Hulk and I would love a Blood Angel specific terminator set. I was hoping for a new termie unit to be honest. In my opinion Space Hulk is the reason why we should our own termie unit. I was thinking something like mixed squads between tactical termies and assault termies. Perhaps even getting one the Space Hulk Sergeants as an entry in the codex..

While in the surface more Chapter-specific boxes are a nice idea, the big problem with it is that GW can't keep their full range on the shelf now. The more new boxes they add, the worse that gets.

We're rapidly approaching the point where having any of the range in B&M stores is largely pointless, as people are going to have to pick up most of their stuff from the GW webstore anyway.

It's a good point you make. At the same time though they need to make new kits to interest buyers who have the other models. As soon as the new stuff becomes old, then it kind of has a habit of not selling quite a lot. I think this is why GW try to aim at attracting new players. In order to try to sell the older kits to some degree.

Are you fething serious right now? The damn thing is sold out already? I JUST saw it come on the site!?

So help me god, if I see someone selling four of them for 100% increased prices I'll kick a child.

All it seems GW is doing is bringing the Blood Angels line up to what the Dark Angels line is. Before they only really had two unique boxed troops, Death Company and Sanguinary Guard. Whereas Dark Angels have Deathwing Terminators, Deathwing Command/Knights, Ravenwing Squad, Ravenwing Command/Knights, and their flyer. So adding a few more boxes of Blood Angels stuff is welcome enough for me. Hopefully the kits will be dual function like the Command/Knights kits for Dark Angels are though. Never know, if that Tactical Squad comes with a set of Death Company shoulder pauldrons, I might get more than just one or two. Same goes for if they make a dual function Assault Squad/Jump Pack Death Company.

 Frankenberry wrote:
Are you fething serious right now? The damn thing is sold out already? I JUST saw it come on the site!?

So help me god, if I see someone selling four of them for 100% increased prices I'll kick a child.

Considering my local FLGS still had stormclaw and discounted them for Black Friday, I wouldn't sweat it too much.

Why would anyone assume that they'd dump Sanguinary Guard, something that already has a kit in plastic?

More rumors by Nafta:

SC getting resculpt (Dante was speculated)

Psychic Primaris Power: Quickening WC1
Blessing; targets psycher or SC within 12 inches
provides fleet, d3 initiative and attacks

 Frankenberry wrote:
Are you fething serious right now? The damn thing is sold out already? I JUST saw it come on the site!?

So help me god, if I see someone selling four of them for 100% increased prices I'll kick a child.

Hehe, the moment I heard about the box on sale yesterday (on this site), I called up my FLGS and told them to order it for me. It was about 9:15pm, but I'd be damned if I didn't get one.

 Guardsmen Bob wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
Are you fething serious right now? The damn thing is sold out already? I JUST saw it come on the site!?

So help me god, if I see someone selling four of them for 100% increased prices I'll kick a child.

Hehe, the moment I heard about the box on sale yesterday (on this site), I called up my FLGS and told them to order it for me. It was about 9:15pm, but I'd be damned if I didn't get one.

Yeaaaaa....... that's why as soon as the pics confirmed this was coming out , I drove straight to my FLGS and put my order in. Didn't think they were going to last long. actually ..... I was slightly surprised they lasted as long as they did. However I think others on here were right about that having more to do with Black Friday/Christmas shopping/Time of the year for the states period.

Those new tacticals look ballin'. I was thinking that they should have gone with terminators, but tacticals are a good place to go, too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would anyone assume that they'd dump Sanguinary Guard, something that already has a kit in plastic?

the only who think this are kids that are overreacting. Their's effectively 0% chance that they drop them.

 Quarterdime wrote:
Those new tacticals look ballin'. I was thinking that they should have gone with terminators, but tacticals are a good place to go, too.

...they look the same as death company with bolters only painted red.

arnt they too blinged to be tacticals? they look more like veterans to me.

it will be hard to tell what's what. bling everywhere. the only thing differentiating anything will be the paint job.

Wow. We're actually getting a codex with new models and people are STILL being negative.

So Korlean's hammer is just master crafted (lame) but his warlord trait (strategic genius) is AWESOME. +1 to seize the initiative and reroll reserve rolls? Yes please!

 th3maninblak wrote:
Wow. We're actually getting a codex with new models and people are STILL being negative.

So Korlean's hammer is just master crafted (lame) but his warlord trait (strategic genius) is AWESOME. +1 to seize the initiative and reroll reserve rolls? Yes please!

not negative, it's just a fact. sorry im not too fussed up about more ropes, blood drops and loincloths. yawn.

hopefully the new assault marines will sell us with dynamic, vicious jumping poses instead of caking on more of the same old generic bling.

 th3maninblak wrote:
Wow. We're actually getting a codex with new models and people are STILL being negative.

So Korlean's hammer is just master crafted (lame) but his warlord trait (strategic genius) is AWESOME. +1 to seize the initiative and reroll reserve rolls? Yes please!

+1

i like what i see so far.

everyone had BA pegged as a one week release with no new models. Anything new is better than nothing

plus that warlord trait is good, and the primaris power (quickening) that is rumored (WC1, gain fleet, +D3 to initiative and attacks) is fluffy and looks good for in game purposes as well.

im excited for this release

JuniorRS13 wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Wow. We're actually getting a codex with new models and people are STILL being negative.

So Korlean's hammer is just master crafted (lame) but his warlord trait (strategic genius) is AWESOME. +1 to seize the initiative and reroll reserve rolls? Yes please!

+1

i like what i see so far.

everyone had BA pegged as a one week release with no new models. Anything new is better than nothing

plus that warlord trait is good, and the primaris power (quickening) that is rumored (WC1, gain fleet, +D3 to initiative and attacks) is fluffy and looks good for in game purposes as well.

im excited for this release

Completely agree, if those rumors hold out then they are pretty darn good, traits/powers that are fluffy and useful.

If the rest of the warlord traits are half this good, ill be thrilled. My only complaint with the quickening is that 1 model with fleet in a unit is kinda pointless.

 th3maninblak wrote:
If the rest of the warlord traits are half this good, ill be thrilled. My only complaint with the quickening is that 1 model with fleet in a unit is kinda pointless.

True. You could give it to mephiston...

Unless they change it to allow him to join squads.