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Nothing new, I thought the GW site had removed all Blood Angel kits except 5 electronic books, I believe I just had a filter on and misread it.

 Kelly502 wrote:
Absolutely nothing on GW US for Blood Angels other than 5 electronic books.

The only things showing on the U.K. store are the Blood Angel characters, Blood Angel specific vehicles I.e Furioso, Baal Pred. The old battle force, paintsets, digital books.

Interestingly Deathstorm is still up for pre orders, I thought I saw people saying it was out of stock already?

There is no infantry boxes on there though, no tacticals, death co, sanguinary guard OR Assualt marines!

kb305 wrote:

arnt they too blinged to be tacticals? they look more like veterans to me.

It's in the Blood Angels codex, Tacticals are veterans. They may not the stat line, but they only become a Tactical Squad member after years of learning how to deal with blood lust on an Assault Sqaud.

FIRST CAPTAIN KARLAEN Arenos Karlaen is a wily Blood Angels veteran with hundreds of years of service to the Chapter. He is the current master of the ‘Archangels’, the Chapter’s 1st Company, and many consider him the greatest battle leader among the angelic host, save Dante only. In his long service Karlaen has accrued victories over almost every enemy of mankind and, as Hive Fleet Leviathan looms large in the Cryptus System, Dante has turned to his strong right hand again. Karlaen has fought the Tyranid menace many times before and owns several of the Blood Angels’ greatest victories against the Great Devourer. Whether wielding his relic thunder hammer face to face against the foe aboard a space hulk or a beleaguered world, or directing the wrath of the fleet in a decisive battle, Karlaen’s tactical nous and controlled rage have proven a match for the Hive Mind over and over again.

Captain Karlaen ,the greatest Blood Angel you never heard of

 th3maninblak wrote:
Wow. We're actually getting a codex with new models and people are STILL being negative.

So Korlean's hammer is just master crafted (lame) but his warlord trait (strategic genius) is AWESOME. +1 to seize the initiative and reroll reserve rolls? Yes please!

Not so much negative as....disappointed? A Blood Angel tactical squad is pretty much the last possible thing I would EVER buy for my army for a few reasons.

1. I play a custom chapter of marines, so I use which ever codex I feel like, whenever I'd like. The Blood Angel iconography bits are wasted on me.
2. Tactical squads are not good, and I don't see the BA codex of all things changing that.
3. If/When I use the BA codex, it's for jump pack based marines and fast/AV13 vehicle spam...it's the only thing the previous codex actually did that the others didn't do.
4. Who in the actual hell would buy tactical marines at full price!? They've been in literally every starter box and are the core unit of the most popular army. They are cheap as dirt on Ebay, and paying $43 american for the BA bits (assuming you want them at all) instead of literally $10-$15 on Ebay is a poor choice IMO. You cannot GIVE tactical marines away, let alone charge $43 per box for them.
5. Tactical marines are bland....bland as hell. As a core unit for the most popular army, you face them more often than probably any other unit in the entire game. Bland.

I've got 40+ bolter boys sitting unpainted (and 40+ more painted) that were given to me for free that I've been converting into sternguard, LotD, Honor Guard and what ever else I need marine bodies for. If I really REALLY wanted the BA bits, I'd buy Death Company squads (possibly second hand) and use those bits because then you are getting an Iconic BA unit (DC and/or ASM) and the bits you need, not some piece of crap tactical squad you can get for a third of the price elsewhere.

Is it better than nothing? For me, absolutely not....this is nothing to me. Where is the recast characters? Where are the NEW units? Where is something to get me EXCITED to play with/against? Because tactical marines are not getting me pumped for a new BA codex.

As for the character, well, he has a gaping hole in his gear and stats. No dual weapon means no +1 attack, only a 5+ invul, terminator armor limits his transport and deployment options and no eternal warrior makes him a crappy duelist. He's literally the personification of a tactical terminator in special character form. IF some manner of deep strike heavy army is viable, his abilities aren't complete garbage, but he's not doing anything a comm relay and Coteaz wouldn't do for you, and better, while not chewing up another potential warlord trait. I don't see myself ever using this guy....he's basically Tycho/Astaroth mark 2.

I've got my fingers crossed the codex will be awesome, but the last handful of releases have not exactly WOW'ed me, so expectation are low at the moment.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
Absolutely nothing on GW US for Blood Angels other than 5 electronic books.

The only things showing on the U.K. store are the Blood Angel characters, Blood Angel specific vehicles I.e Furioso, Baal Pred. The old battle force, paintsets, digital books.

Interestingly Deathstorm is still up for pre orders, I thought I saw people saying it was out of stock already?

There is no infantry boxes on there though, no tacticals, death co, sanguinary guard OR Assualt marines!

It's out here in the US. Independent retailers will have some I'm sure.

Except he has a 4++, not a 5+. Iron halos are a thing. Beyond that, for 155 points you get a sick warlord trait, a mastercrafted hammer, and his special blood yell thingy. Seems pretty good to me.

lets see if the new plastic mephiston tops this one. (by tommie soule)

Very nice model.

Not sure if it's worth the whole effort.
BA have the worst codex atm.
Let's see if they will get playable again.
I'd wait for the new codex before ordering the box set.

I'm hearing some rumors that these new marines will be 32mm. I'd like to see if anyone else heard this?

 Moopy wrote:
I'm hearing some rumors that these new marines will be 32mm. I'd like to see if anyone else heard this?

Try here.

 Moopy wrote:
I'm hearing some rumors that these new marines will be 32mm. I'd like to see if anyone else heard this?

Ninja'd.

Anyway Blood Angels, yaaaaaayyyy. Don't it'll be as bad as my main army release codex, Nids.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Very nice model.

Not sure if it's worth the whole effort.
BA have the worst codex atm.
Let's see if they will get playable again.
I'd wait for the new codex before ordering the box set.

It cant really get any worse. If you love the army, buy the box.

 TheKbob wrote:

 Moopy wrote:
I'm hearing some rumors that these new marines will be 32mm. I'd like to see if anyone else heard this?

Try here.

Ugh...

I'll certainly be picking up a box of the BA tac marines, and probably another after they're painted. I there's there's definitely room for tac marines in BA armies.

D

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
if that Tactical Squad comes with a set of Death Company shoulder pauldrons, I might get more than just one or two. Same goes for if they make a dual function Assault Squad/Jump Pack Death Company.

For a moment I thought that would be a cool way of doing it – a tactical and assault box with which you could make either standard or Death Company models. Except, Death Company are very assaulty, so kinda need to have the running / dynamic poses of assault marines. The standing poses of the tactical marines don't work as Death Company for me.


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 evildrcheese wrote:
I'll certainly be picking up a box of the BA tac marines, and probably another after they're painted. I there's there's definitely room for tac marines in BA armies.

D

I'll be getting them too. I'm not fussed about Shield of Baal but I do like the look of the tac squad kit. I just hope they do something with the codex to make them appealing game-wise, partly because I already have one tac squad painted which I thought I might never use in favour of ASM / Razorback spam.


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 th3maninblak wrote:
Except he has a 4++, not a 5+. Iron halos are a thing. Beyond that, for 155 points you get a sick warlord trait, a mastercrafted hammer, and his special blood yell thingy. Seems pretty good to me.

If I were to run Karlaen I would definitely use the Lorenzo model and just swap the sword for a hammer.

New tacticals gives a bit more diversity, more options and i guess a bit more versatility to the BA. more options is always a welcome sight for me.

Heavy flamer!

 Frankenberry wrote:
Are you fething serious right now? The damn thing is sold out already? I JUST saw it come on the site!?

So help me god, if I see someone selling four of them for 100% increased prices I'll kick a child.

Really? We get picked on in highschool, we get bullied and here you are ready to kick a child who is innocent and has nothing to do with it. Joke or not, it's not funny.

We are geeks and nerds. This is how we grow up?

Davor wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
Are you fething serious right now? The damn thing is sold out already? I JUST saw it come on the site!?

So help me god, if I see someone selling four of them for 100% increased prices I'll kick a child.

Really? We get picked on in highschool, we get bullied and here you are ready to kick a child who is innocent and has nothing to do with it. Joke or not, it's not funny.

We are geeks and nerds. This is how we grow up?

He'll hate me.

I ordered a copy and have sold the Termie Captain for £20, The Broodlord for £20 and the death company for £12 so far on eBay due to ship when I get my own copy.

With a bit of luck I'll make close to 100% profit so I can buy another set before they sell out, Then sell the Nid stuff to hopefully make my cost back on the second and wallah, blood angels, mini rulebook and campaign book for free! I know it's frowned upon and to be honest I do understand people who will be annoyed by that, but well, I don't have much disposable income so need to make it count!

How about these new books?
Flesh of Cretacia which is about Flesh Tearers.
128 pages and 20 €.
Sounds like a short Math Graduate Text.

I wonder if the DC termies we are hearing rumours about are not exactly DC termies, but the rumoured special termies composed of individuals who have overcome/survived the black rage.

Might explain why they are souped up with rare equipment as they would be special.

I'm so jumping on this bandwagon. I've already sold all my miscellaneous minis, now I'm thinking of offing the Mantis Warriors I'm working on in favour of a blow out on Blood angels.

I'm not normally so impressionable, but I really love DC! I could sell my airbrush too. Hmmm.

Still, Dark Angels and Tyranids taught me to wait for the book to be out before I get too excited.

 Davylove21 wrote:
I'm so jumping on this bandwagon. I've already sold all my miscellaneous minis, now I'm thinking of offing the Mantis Warriors I'm working on in favour of a blow out on Blood angels.

I'm not normally so impressionable, but I really love DC! I could sell my airbrush too. Hmmm.

Still, Dark Angels and Tyranids taught me to wait for the book to be out before I get too excited.

Right. Waiting for the codex is a good decision.

My only wish is Dante becomes EW and the Axe Mortalis isn't I1. Please Emperor.

 Carnage43 wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Wow. We're actually getting a codex with new models and people are STILL being negative.

So Korlean's hammer is just master crafted (lame) but his warlord trait (strategic genius) is AWESOME. +1 to seize the initiative and reroll reserve rolls? Yes please!

4. Who in the actual hell would buy tactical marines at full price!? They've been in literally every starter box and are the core unit of the most popular army. They are cheap as dirt on Ebay, and paying $43 american for the BA bits (assuming you want them at all) instead of literally $10-$15 on Ebay is a poor choice IMO. You cannot GIVE tactical marines away, let alone charge $43 per box for them.

Well people wanted a new Assault MArine box so they could get an update kit. It didn't matter to them that a lot of Blood Angel players probably own a lot of Assault Marines to begin with. I know that SM already have a Tactical box but we can already use the DC box to make assault marines as well. I'm sure some people will buy them. If tacticals are a good choice in the new codex then I will get some.

5. Tactical marines are bland....bland as hell. As a core unit for the most popular army, you face them more often than probably any other unit in the entire game. Bland.

From the picture on white dwarf it looks like they will get a heavy flamer. If you are able to take a hand flamer on the sergeant, a normal flamer as well as a heavy flamer for the heavy slot then I can see this squad being useful. Drop pod them in and you get 3 flamer templates on the squads you want to take out. As a Tau player as well this is an effective unit for taking out my pathfinders.

Is it better than nothing? For me, absolutely not....this is nothing to me. Where is the recast characters? Where are the NEW units? Where is something to get me EXCITED to play with/against? Because tactical marines are not getting me pumped for a new BA codex.

We will need to wait and see. GW's new release methods mean there might be something else for us down the road. It makes sense to make re-sculpts after release like they did with the Tyranid Venonthropes, because they already have a model with rules, so it's just a case of updating the model and third party companies aren't going to infringe on their IP. I understand it's the same kind of deal with the tacticals since we already have the SM ones, but still I think it's good to get personalised tacticals

As for the character, well, he has a gaping hole in his gear and stats. No dual weapon means no +1 attack, only a 5+ invul, terminator armor limits his transport and deployment options and no eternal warrior makes him a crappy duelist. He's literally the personification of a tactical terminator in special character form. IF some manner of deep strike heavy army is viable, his abilities aren't complete garbage, but he's not doing anything a comm relay and Coteaz wouldn't do for you, and better, while not chewing up another potential warlord trait. I don't see myself ever using this guy....he's basically Tycho/Astaroth mark 2.

Well not to nitpick but he has a 4+ invulnerable because he has an iron halo. Eternal Warrior is also a rare rule to get really and we can probably only expect at most a few options in our codex to get it.

I'll be getting a box or two just for bits. The extra details will make the parts perfect for use in HQ and veteran kitbashes/conversions.

 wuestenfux wrote:
How about these new books?
Flesh of Cretacia which is about Flesh Tearers.
128 pages and 20 €.
Sounds like a short Math Graduate Text.

5 more pages than when it was first released

As for death company bits being included in the tac box as the death company already have a plastic kit I wouldn't think they would be included as bits in a tac squad when they have a newish box. They are from what it looks like being repacked currently to either be full 10 man squad or still 5 man but have the new 32mm bases included in their box

JuniorRS13 wrote:
New tacticals gives a bit more diversity, more options and i guess a bit more versatility to the BA. more options is always a welcome sight for me.

Heavy flamer!

GRAV GUN !!

Which means their bikes will probably get them, and their veterens, etc...

What grav gun?
Only codex marines got them AFAIK, and honestly I like the fact that not every marine codex has the same stuff available to it, makes the fact you got 5 different loyalist marine armies not feel as overdone.

 BoomWolf wrote:
What grav gun?

The picture of the new Tactical Squad has marine with Grav Gun.

 BoomWolf wrote:
What grav gun?
Only codex marines got them AFAIK, and honestly I like the fact that not every marine codex has the same stuff available to it, makes the fact you got 5 different loyalist marine armies not feel as overdone.

That grav gun. Blood Angels being able to do the Grav thing could be very powerful, as Grav is a really powerful aspect of the current Space Marine book.