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Our tac marines getting grav guns and heavy flamers is cool. But you know what would be cooler? Assault marines with heavy flamers.

So far this release has been awesome. And we should know what happened to DoA and the red thirst when someone gets a copy of Deathstorm in hand.

 th3maninblak wrote:
Our tac marines getting grav guns and heavy flamers is cool. But you know what would be cooler? Assault marines with heavy flamers.

So far this release has been awesome. And we should know what happened to DoA and the red thirst when someone gets a copy of Deathstorm in hand.

GW needs to make one step forward to realize a playable BA army.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I wonder if the DC termies we are hearing rumours about are not exactly DC termies, but the rumoured special termies composed of individuals who have overcome/survived the black rage.

Might explain why they are souped up with rare equipment as they would be special.

This is waaaaay preferable to Death Company Terminators, but overcoming the Black Rage is supposed to be exceedingly rare... like, isn't Mephiston the only character to do it?

 wuestenfux wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Our tac marines getting grav guns and heavy flamers is cool. But you know what would be cooler? Assault marines with heavy flamers.

So far this release has been awesome. And we should know what happened to DoA and the red thirst when someone gets a copy of Deathstorm in hand.

GW needs to make one step forward to realize a playable BA army.

The real interesting thing will be whether or not they get Centurions. If not, then Grav-Bikers will be the only real grav units seeing any use... I mean, who takes grav tacticals?

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I wonder if the DC termies we are hearing rumours about are not exactly DC termies, but the rumoured special termies composed of individuals who have overcome/survived the black rage.

Might explain why they are souped up with rare equipment as they would be special.

This is waaaaay preferable to Death Company Terminators, but overcoming the Black Rage is supposed to be exceedingly rare... like, isn't Mephiston the only character to do it?

 wuestenfux wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Our tac marines getting grav guns and heavy flamers is cool. But you know what would be cooler? Assault marines with heavy flamers.

So far this release has been awesome. And we should know what happened to DoA and the red thirst when someone gets a copy of Deathstorm in hand.

GW needs to make one step forward to realize a playable BA army.

The real interesting thing will be whether or not they get Centurions. If not, then Grav-Bikers will be the only real grav units seeing any use... I mean, who takes grav tacticals?

What I like is that by the fluff Mephiston should have been killed like all other Librarians when he fell to the Black Rage.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
The real interesting thing will be whether or not they get Centurions.

I asked for 2 things from the new Blood Angels Codex, Grav weapons and Centurions.
Grav Guns ! Check !
Centurions ? I guess we'll have to wait 3 weeks to find out.

Why do I care ? I have 9 Centurions waiting to find out what chapter they belong to.

If BA get fast attack drop pods like Space Wolves, and I don't see why they shouldn't, and I'll be doing a little happy dance.

Eldercaveman wrote:
What I like is that by the fluff Mephiston should have been killed like all other Librarians when he fell to the Black Rage.

Astorath didn't exist when mephiston fell to the black rage. Nothing to see here......

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I wonder if the DC termies we are hearing rumours about are not exactly DC termies, but the rumoured special termies composed of individuals who have overcome/survived the black rage.

Might explain why they are souped up with rare equipment as they would be special.

This is waaaaay preferable to Death Company Terminators, but overcoming the Black Rage is supposed to be exceedingly rare... like, isn't Mephiston the only character to do it?

Pretty much. IIRC Lemartes fluff says he is still in its throes so I think Mephiston is the only one to actually come out of it. I agree that "survivors" of the Black Rage would be preferable to the chapter giving its most valuable armor to a bunch of loonies ready to chase a grot they think is Horus himself into an erupting volcano. I'm not a fan of the "survivor" fluff as I prefer having mephiston's big mystery being that he is the first/only but I prefer it to an actual Death Company terminator unit. And this is coming from a guy who actually started his BA army in 3rd edition specifically to use the Death Company army rules!

rollawaythestone wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
What grav gun?
Only codex marines got them AFAIK, and honestly I like the fact that not every marine codex has the same stuff available to it, makes the fact you got 5 different loyalist marine armies not feel as overdone.

That grav gun. Blood Angels being able to do the Grav thing could be very powerful, as Grav is a really powerful aspect of the current Space Marine book.

Intresting, not the picture I've seen.

Honestly, not a fan of this. I was hoping they will go for a "difference between codcies" path, like the wolves have no grav, and the BA got more flamer options.

 Torga_DW wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
What I like is that by the fluff Mephiston should have been killed like all other Librarians when he fell to the Black Rage.

Astorath didn't exist when mephiston fell to the black rage. Nothing to see here......

And even if he did, wasn't mephiston basically trapped under tons of rubble? It's not like he was angrily shadow boxing Horus in the middle of a field until Astorath came around.

Where the hell is the Dark Angels grav gun?! :(

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Where the hell is the Dark Angels grav gun?! :(

Dark Angels lol

Other than souped up engines on vehicles, death company and the sanguinary guard, Blood Angels are a very codex compliant chapter, much more so than DA or SW.

It makes sense they would get grav guns on fluff reasons alone. Obviously balance wise it may not be so hot for the meta, though, we don't know the rules yet, grav guns could be the edge they need to compete for all we know as of yet.

Though, I think I'd prefer the SW to have had grav guns rather than all the stupid freezing guns they have. And DA should have them also.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Where the hell is the Dark Angels grav gun?! :(

The curse of being the First Legion (Codex).

 BoomWolf wrote:

Honestly, not a fan of this. I was hoping they will go for a "difference between codcies" path, like the wolves have no grav, and the BA got more flamer options.

Space Wolves never really followed the Codex Astartes teachings, Blood Angels always have.

Blood Angels have more assault marines because of the Red Thirst.
Blood Angels have Death Company because of the Black Rage.
Blood Angels have Sanguinary Guard because of Black Rage and the need to carry Sanguinis Blood

I don't know why Blood Angels alone have Librarian Dreadnuaghts. I suspect it was something they contemplating for all marines and decided to try it out in the BA codex, and then never went anywhere with it.

I would not at all mind if "survivors of Black Rage" became a thing. BA have been searching for an end to it for millennia. Perhaps they are beginning to find it. A glimmer of hope for the chapter is a lot more interesting than preserving Mephiston's special snowflake status.

This codex has me more excited than any non-model release since the Turd Edition (6th) dropped.

I was under the impression that people succumbed to the black rage before a battle and their existing armor was just painted black, with some extra crap tacked on.

I don't see them having special terminator armor for the Death Company, I just see members of the first company ( terminators) succumbing to the Black Rage on the eve of battle.

 adamsouza wrote:
I was under the impression that people succumbed to the black rage before a battle and their existing armor was just painted black, with some extra crap tacked on.

I don't see them having special terminator armor for the Death Company, I just see members of the first company ( terminators) succumbing to the Black Rage on the eve of battle.

Well, they don't decomission Dreadnoughts when they succumb to the Black Rage, why would it be any different for Terminators?

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
I would not at all mind if "survivors of Black Rage" became a thing. BA have been searching for an end to it for millennia. Perhaps they are beginning to find it. A glimmer of hope for the chapter is a lot more interesting than preserving Mephiston's special snowflake status.

This codex has me more excited than any non-model release since the Turd Edition (6th) dropped.

The cure for the Red Thirst is apparently what Shield of Baal: Deathstorm is about. The planetary governor of Phodia is supposedly the key to a cure for the chapter. Captain Karlaen leads a team to recover the governor no matter the cost.

The WDW this weekend suggests that we MAY be getting some terminator love for the sons of sanguinius. The 1st company is called "The Arch-angels". Who knows, we may get some blinged up terminators?

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I wonder if the DC termies we are hearing rumours about are not exactly DC termies, but the rumoured special termies composed of individuals who have overcome/survived the black rage.

Might explain why they are souped up with rare equipment as they would be special.

This is waaaaay preferable to Death Company Terminators, but overcoming the Black Rage is supposed to be exceedingly rare... like, isn't Mephiston the only character to do it?

 wuestenfux wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Our tac marines getting grav guns and heavy flamers is cool. But you know what would be cooler? Assault marines with heavy flamers.

So far this release has been awesome. And we should know what happened to DoA and the red thirst when someone gets a copy of Deathstorm in hand.

GW needs to make one step forward to realize a playable BA army.

The real interesting thing will be whether or not they get Centurions. If not, then Grav-Bikers will be the only real grav units seeing any use... I mean, who takes grav tacticals?

What I like is that by the fluff Mephiston should have been killed like all other Librarians when he fell to the Black Rage.

He fell to it when trapped under tons of rubble. He only escaped by his superstrength from being cured of it, and by then didn't need executing.

casvalremdeikun wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I was under the impression that people succumbed to the black rage before a battle and their existing armor was just painted black, with some extra crap tacked on.

I don't see them having special terminator armor for the Death Company, I just see members of the first company ( terminators) succumbing to the Black Rage on the eve of battle.

Well, they don't decomission Dreadnoughts when they succumb to the Black Rage, why would it be any different for Terminators?

I don't know about you, but I would never want to decommission a DCD. Can you imagine being that Techmarine?!

"Oh Venerable one..."
"HORUS! MY BROTHER!!"
"Its seems you've...uh...gone a little senile in your old age..."
"HOW COULD YOU DO THIS?!!?!?!?"
"I am afraid...we might have to...deconnect you..."
"YOU WILL PAY FOR TURNING YOUR BACK ON THE EMPEROR TRAITOR!!!!!!!"
*sounds of a blender chewing through metal and high robotic screaming*


Also don't forget that Black Rage is on the eve of battle. Whereas a living and breathing Marine can be picked out, and simply directed to don Power Armour rather than TDA. Dreads kind of have to stay in there.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I was under the impression that people succumbed to the black rage before a battle and their existing armor was just painted black, with some extra crap tacked on.

I don't see them having special terminator armor for the Death Company, I just see members of the first company ( terminators) succumbing to the Black Rage on the eve of battle.

Well, they don't decomission Dreadnoughts when they succumb to the Black Rage, why would it be any different for Terminators?

Because Terminator armour is super-valuable? Death Company only really exist to commit suicide and bring as many enemies down in the process. Risking the company's Terminator Armour on a suicide unit is not a great idea. With Dreadnoughts it's either kill the sacred guy inside of it, or let them go nuts. Also notice that Death Company Dreads aren't Venerable Dreadnoughts, they're all rocking basic Dreadnought chassis.

That said, there's already a fluff prescident for having Death Company rocking super-valuable armour: Death Company Tycho. For some reason, they decided to let him hang onto his artificer armour when he succumbed to the Black Rage, although that might have had something to do with his respect in the chapter. Really, it's a poor justification IMHO, but it's not outside the realm of possibility I suppose...

I don't know when it changed in the fluff, but dreadnought chassis aren't exactly in massive amount of numbers, and battles have been fought just to reclaim a burnt out one lost in battle, even if it is beyond repair.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I was under the impression that people succumbed to the black rage before a battle and their existing armor was just painted black, with some extra crap tacked on.

I don't see them having special terminator armor for the Death Company, I just see members of the first company ( terminators) succumbing to the Black Rage on the eve of battle.

Well, they don't decomission Dreadnoughts when they succumb to the Black Rage, why would it be any different for Terminators?

Because Terminator armour is super-valuable? Death Company only really exist to commit suicide and bring as many enemies down in the process. Risking the company's Terminator Armour on a suicide unit is not a great idea. With Dreadnoughts it's either kill the sacred guy inside of it, or let them go nuts. Also notice that Death Company Dreads aren't Venerable Dreadnoughts, they're all rocking basic Dreadnought chassis.

That said, there's already a fluff prescident for having Death Company rocking super-valuable armour: Death Company Tycho. For some reason, they decided to let him hang onto his artificer armour when he succumbed to the Black Rage, although that might have had something to do with his respect in the chapter. Really, it's a poor justification IMHO, but it's not outside the realm of possibility I suppose...

Plus if Dreadnoughts survive, they can be put back into stasis, ready to be used against next time they need to unleash the Death Company.

When your flying to battle in a strike cruiser and 6 hours before planet fall you succumb to the Black Rage, it's not like they have a bunch of suits lying around for you to change into.

If you showed up to battle in Terminator Armor, you fight in terminator armor.

Oh, and venerable chassis are not technically different to standard chassis except age, if a chassis survives long enough it will be 'venerable'

 adamsouza wrote:
When your flying to battle in a strike cruiser and 6 hours before planet fall you succumb to the Black Rage, it's not like they have a bunch of suits lying around for you to change into.

If you showed up to battle in Terminator Armor, you fight in terminator armor.

I'm pretty sure 1st Company Vets have Power Armour as standard, and TDA is issued on a mission by mission basis. I think the Deathwing and Grey Knights are the only forces with sufficient suits to let everyone have one.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
I would not at all mind if "survivors of Black Rage" became a thing. BA have been searching for an end to it for millennia. Perhaps they are beginning to find it. A glimmer of hope for the chapter is a lot more interesting than preserving Mephiston's special snowflake status.

This codex has me more excited than any non-model release since the Turd Edition (6th) dropped.

The cure for the Red Thirst is apparently what Shield of Baal: Deathstorm is about. The planetary governor of Phodia is supposedly the key to a cure for the chapter. Captain Karlaen leads a team to recover the governor no matter the cost.

The WDW this weekend suggests that we MAY be getting some terminator love for the sons of sanguinius. The 1st company is called "The Arch-angels". Who knows, we may get some blinged up terminators?

I am not a Blood Angels player, yet this excites me so much

Just because you put a Black Enraged marine in TDA doesn't mean the armour is lost. Drop pods need to be recovered after every battle, why not suits of TDA containing dead marines, to be reconditioned by the chapter artificers.

I just hope all the derpy names are removed - no more Bloodshard rounds, Bloodstrike missiles and Blood Fists.

You know the Leviathan Captain apparently has a "Blood Yell" right?

I wouldn't hold your breath!

 LutherMax wrote:
Just because you put a Black Enraged marine in TDA doesn't mean the armour is lost. Drop pods need to be recovered after every battle, why not suits of TDA containing dead marines, to be reconditioned by the chapter artificers.

that was my thought. The armor wouldn't necessarily be ruined.