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**Desubot**

Wait is this relevant anymore?

**pretre**

Desubot wrote:
Wait is this relevant anymore?

Nope.

**SharkoutofWata**

Well, guess I'll be building Rafen's Death Company Squad after all... Since they're the only troops DC has left. Still a unit and still a troop choice so it counts.

**Desubot**

Booooooooooo

**Bull0**

It seems especially misguided to put death company and death company dreads in elites given how overcrowded the elites section is already. Yeah, this is all fairly bad news.

**the shrouded lord**

wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle

**mustardParty**

Gotta say, that's kind of a letdown. On first glance, a lot of the more interesting BA builds are no longer viable. Not that an all JP army was competitive or anything, but now it's not even an option.

**Warhams-77**

I will update the post above as well

Newest infos regarding psychic powers and formations

Iuchiban - Warseer forum

Physic powers are:

Primaris: Blessing. +D3 to A and I to psyker or target character at 12"
1. Malediction. Target unit at 12" takes a Moral test with -2
2. Blessing. Target unit at 18" gets Rage. If they had already that rule, they get +1A instead
3. Blessing. Psyker and his unit get 5++
4. Focussed witch fire. Target makes 2 T tests. Take one W for each failed test. If targed dies, place 5" blast with S4 and AP5.
5. Beam.12" S8, AP1 Lance
6"Blessing. Targe infantry unit, moves 12" in the psychic phase. No charging after this movement.

Fast vehicles are:
Rhinos, Razorbacks and Baal Predators

Special rules for DC: FC, Fearless, Relentless, FnP, Rage. They cannot reroll to wound if chaplain in the unit. Only Astorath gives them this ability.

Detachment is nice:
Mandatory 1 HQ, 1 Elite, 2 Troops
Optional: as usual, but 3 additioanl Elite (Total 4)
Special rule: +1I when charging, all the army, any turn.

**Bull0**

Warhams-77 wrote:

Detachment is nice:
Mandatory 1 HQ, 1 Elite, 2 Troops
Optional: as usual, but 3 additioanl Elite (Total 4)
Special rule: +1I when charging, all the army, any turn.

3 additional elites, total 4? That's awfully confusing.

**Thud**

Detachment (from the guy on Warseer):

Mandatory 1 HQ, 1 Elite, 2 Troops
Optional: as usual, but 3 additioanl Elite (Total 4)
Special rule: +1I when charging, all the army, any turn.

Since I own exactly zero Tactical Marines and a grand total of 5 Scouts, I guess I'm no longer a BA player.

On the bright side, I won't be spending any money on 40k anytime soon.

**Anpu42**

Thud wrote:
Detachment (from the guy on Warseer):

Mandatory 1 HQ, 1 Elite, 2 Troops
Optional: as usual, but 3 additioanl Elite (Total 4)
Special rule: +1I when charging, all the army, any turn.

Since I own exactly zero Tactical Marines and a grand total of 5 Scouts, I guess I'm no longer a BA player.

On the bright side, I won't be spending any money on 40k anytime soon.

But That new Tactical Squad Box Fixes That...

**Orock**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
th3maninblak wrote:
Except assault marines are just troops, and nobs were a force org swap.

This. Orks never had Nobz as 'signature' troops. It was a force org swap from a Warlord and to be fair, the only thing close to that (a Force Org swap from a HQ) that remains in the game is Chaos Marines and the Mark dictating whether Berserkers, Plague Marines, T. Sons or Noise Marines are troops. And, to be perfectly fair this has been something of a Chaos staple since their 3rd edition codex (when the force org chart was introduced as what it is to this day). Expecting Nobz to remain troops was a joke and you know it. Anything that became a Force Org swap by taking X or Y that wasn't in existence previously wasn't going to survive to the next codex and you knew it.

Now, Blood Angels having Assault Marines as troops? That wasn't a swap, that was part of the book itself. Look at Troops, see Assault Marines - I doubt GW are so willing to invalidate armies by structure alone. (P.S., look at your old Ork Codex. Nobz are in Elites.).

Now who knew their special snowflake troops wouldn't remain troops? It can happen to other armies, but they would NEVER take away my blood angels jump troops status!

**DO IT TO IT**

Soooo the detachment focuses on elites rather than fast attack? It sounds like pretty much there is no longer any way to make assault marines the core of your army. Which is what interested me in Blood Angels to begin with...

**Paradigm**

Well, the detachment looks awesome as I usually need a bunch more Elites, especially now DC are there as well, and old FC back is great too. S6 AP2 At-init EW Dante is a beast now!

But the loss of LR Dedicated Transports, and Assault Marines as FA is just utterly bland.

**Thud**

Anpu42 wrote:
Thud wrote:
Detachment (from the guy on Warseer):

Mandatory 1 HQ, 1 Elite, 2 Troops
Optional: as usual, but 3 additioanl Elite (Total 4)
Special rule: +1I when charging, all the army, any turn.

Since I own exactly zero Tactical Marines and a grand total of 5 Scouts, I guess I'm no longer a BA player.

On the bright side, I won't be spending any money on 40k anytime soon.

But That new Tactical Squad Box Fixes That...

If I wanted Tactical Marines, I'd have gone for vanilla Marines.

**warboss**

Yeah, that's... um... not good. My troops count just got decimated in my 7,000pt force. Previously, I had one scout squad, two tacticals, two assault squads, and my death co units. Now... the tacticals and scout squad apparently. Ughh... and no furious charge army wide special rule? I guess my previous comment about DA getting stubborn, SM getting a buffet of chapter tactics, and space wolves getting two army wide bonuses and BA getting armor nipples only is true. The sky isn't falling but it definitely is stormy overhead. :(

**spiralingcadaver**

Bull0 wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:

Detachment is nice:
Mandatory 1 HQ, 1 Elite, 2 Troops
Optional: as usual, but 3 additioanl Elite (Total 4)
Special rule: +1I when charging, all the army, any turn.

3 additional elites, total 4? That's awfully confusing.

Pretty sure he's saying 1 HQ, 2 Troops, 1-4 Elites, just worded confusingly.

**Warhams-77**

Iuchiban on Warseer

Mephiston has chaged a lot:
WS BS S T W I A L A
6 5 5 5 3 5 4 10 2+
Warlord trait: Adamantium will
Lvl 3
Special rules: FC, IC, Fleet, No Fear, Hypnotic Trance: Roll 2D6 if fighting in a challenge: If result is the L of the opponent or more, Mephiston hits on 2+.
Has one unique power: Blessing, he gets S10.

His sword is AP3

Cost: 175 !!!!! (That's goooooood)

Sanguinor pretty the same but: gets only 4++, re-rolls to hit and wound in challenges

Sanguinary Priests are HQ, 60 points and units he joins get +1WS and FnP. The are IC btw.

**Desubot**

spiralingcadaver wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:

Detachment is nice:
Mandatory 1 HQ, 1 Elite, 2 Troops
Optional: as usual, but 3 additioanl Elite (Total 4)
Special rule: +1I when charging, all the army, any turn.

3 additional elites, total 4? That's awfully confusing.

Pretty sure he's saying 1 HQ, 2 Troops, 1-4 Elites, just worded confusingly.

It seems more in the line of 1hq 2tr 1 el is compulsory with option 1-3 more elites.

Edit: also some how missed that old man dante is no longer winded swinging that axe

this is great news!

**warboss**

Orock wrote:
DarkStarSabre wrote:
th3maninblak wrote:
Except assault marines are just troops, and nobs were a force org swap.

This. Orks never had Nobz as 'signature' troops. It was a force org swap from a Warlord and to be fair, the only thing close to that (a Force Org swap from a HQ) that remains in the game is Chaos Marines and the Mark dictating whether Berserkers, Plague Marines, T. Sons or Noise Marines are troops. And, to be perfectly fair this has been something of a Chaos staple since their 3rd edition codex (when the force org chart was introduced as what it is to this day). Expecting Nobz to remain troops was a joke and you know it. Anything that became a Force Org swap by taking X or Y that wasn't in existence previously wasn't going to survive to the next codex and you knew it.

Now, Blood Angels having Assault Marines as troops? That wasn't a swap, that was part of the book itself. Look at Troops, see Assault Marines - I doubt GW are so willing to invalidate armies by structure alone. (P.S., look at your old Ork Codex. Nobz are in Elites.).

Now who knew their special snowflake troops wouldn't remain troops? It can happen to other armies, but they would NEVER take away my blood angels jump troops status!

The difference between a swap dependent on another unit and something flat out being taken away from troops completely when it was only there has already been explained to you. Did any other codex actually lose something from troops that would make your post have any validity? Or are your apples just the same as everyone else's oranges? I am actually asking because I don't buy or keep track of every codex like I used to back when they were reasonably priced.

**spiralingcadaver**

Oh, and their new Force Org looks terrible- like others were saying, if I wanted tac troops, I'd take vanilla marines. I was actually gearing up for a BA ally DC/Jump pack force for my vanillas... looks like that's basically out.

**Bull0**

Here's hoping BA tactical squads can swap their bolters for pistol/CCW and can take jump packs, I guess!

**rollawaythestone**

Those Psychic Powers look really strong. Each one is quite useful.

**Paradigm**

Mephiston looks better with IC and the points drop, but if it's true that Priests are slot-taking HQs then I hope that detachment has extra HQ slots.

**spiralingcadaver**

Desubot wrote:
spiralingcadaver wrote:
1 HQ, 2 Troops, 1-4 Elites

It seems more in the line of 1hq 2tr 1 el is compulsory with option 1-3 more elites.

Am I missing something?

**Desubot**

Honestly though who here actually cares that much about obsec?

iv noticed its pretty much NEVER come into play besides a very rare few times.

at best you can chuck in some cheap scouts (or if they have them LSS) and fill out the rest with FA ASS marines or Elite DC.

Normally Force orgs first set is compulsory so

HQ 1
TR 2
EL 1

Then after that they state the optional

So additional optional 1-3 elites.

Dont know about the rest of the slots.

**Azreal13**

A long way from getting too upset (frankly, I've shelved my BA for so long at this point I'd probably only be mildly irritated if they squatted the dex completely) but does it look like they've essentially taken what was already considered one of the armies most in need of a boost, and taken more from it?

Am I missing some massive improvements here because the bad stuff is slapping me in the face so hard?

**endlesswaltz123**

Mephiston has chaged a lot:
WS BS S T W I A L A
6 5 5 5 3 5 4 10 2+
Warlord trait: Adamantium will
Lvl 3
Special rules: FC, IC, Fleet, No Fear, Hypnotic Trance: Roll 2D6 if fighting in a challenge: If result is the L of the opponent or more, Mephiston hits on 2+.
Has one unique power: Blessing, he gets S10.

His sword is AP3

Cost: 175 !!!!! (That's goooooood)

Sanguinor pretty the same but: gets only 4++, re-rolls to hit and wound in challenges

Sanguinary Priests are HQ, 60 points and units he joins get +1WS and FnP. The are IC btw.

Mephiston at IC is good, point cost is also good, but he isn't such a tank, and he will still be champion of killing anything none 2+, but well... He might be good in a death company maybe.

**NoggintheNog**

So the contents of the Deathstorm box ix actually 3 elites plus a HQ.

It is still great value for money, but not a great way to start a new army.

**DarkStarSabre**

Orock wrote:
DarkStarSabre wrote:
th3maninblak wrote:
Except assault marines are just troops, and nobs were a force org swap.

This. Orks never had Nobz as 'signature' troops. It was a force org swap from a Warlord and to be fair, the only thing close to that (a Force Org swap from a HQ) that remains in the game is Chaos Marines and the Mark dictating whether Berserkers, Plague Marines, T. Sons or Noise Marines are troops. And, to be perfectly fair this has been something of a Chaos staple since their 3rd edition codex (when the force org chart was introduced as what it is to this day). Expecting Nobz to remain troops was a joke and you know it. Anything that became a Force Org swap by taking X or Y that wasn't in existence previously wasn't going to survive to the next codex and you knew it.

Now, Blood Angels having Assault Marines as troops? That wasn't a swap, that was part of the book itself. Look at Troops, see Assault Marines - I doubt GW are so willing to invalidate armies by structure alone. (P.S., look at your old Ork Codex. Nobz are in Elites.).

Now who knew their special snowflake troops wouldn't remain troops? It can happen to other armies, but they would NEVER take away my blood angels jump troops status!

You're right. Clearly I am only a Blood Angels player. Clearly I have never been affected by things changing with my codex. Clearly you haven't learned to read signatures.

Tell you what, continue being hostile. Seems to me as though you are mighty angry about Ork Nobz. If that's the case then I am sorry for you. Pat pat, there there, your wound allocation shenanigans were cut down in their prime and I am sorry. Really, I am.