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2014/11/14 02:50:42
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
Vermis wrote: Marvel, at least, is trapped in crappy writing. They're like GW in a way: pumping out poorly-thought fight-obsessed rubbish to sell to sweaty fanboys, scratching their heads as to why readership is dwindling. (With added problems in the vein of the most common superpower or Jhonen Vasquez's Meanwhile...[language warning], and the resulting, minor tempering caused by shrill PC comics bloggers. It's painful to read a lot of 'badazz' dudebro posturing with sniffy moralising clumsily shoehorned in. Maybe they were always like that, but it hasn't seemed so bad. Not even in the '90's...)
You gonna qualify that with some evidence? Or just dismiss a large portion of comic readers as 'sweaty fanboys'? because a) rule #1, and b) How can you know that the writing is no good if you haven't deigned to descend from your mighty tower and rub shoulders with the unwashed, sweaty, fanboy masses that comprise Marvel's readership?
I personally would say that a lot of Marvel's writing is very good; stuff like X-Men Legacy, Superior Spiderman or Uncanny Avengers all have excellent storylines, and manage to avoid the ''badazz' dudebro posturing with sniffy moralising' that evidently plagues every single one of the authors in Marvel's roster, then again I'm probably a sweaty fanboy though, and unworthy to even attempt to debate with my intellectual superiors, such as yourself.
The problem i have with Marvel writing is the writer arcs syndrome, you get an awesome story-line going then the next writer comes along throws all the previous characterization and story line out of the window and starts something new, that and when i stopped reading comics you had, 20 different X-man comics with overlapping story lines, 6 spider-man comics etecetera, started killing my favorite characters.
They used to be. They were the original Marvel family. Nobody really cares anymore, the comics have become stagnant, and the movies were a bomb to most. And the new suggested one is looking to be terrible for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum, in another thread.
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2014/11/15 02:10:18
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
H.B.M.C. wrote: The red suits they got recently were pretty snazzy though.
And I've always loved the Human Torch's power set. It'd be fun to be able to do all that.
You mention the snazzy red suits, but you also mention Johnny Storm having powers of some sort...
Also, I agree that FF needs a rest. They've gone from fantastical adventures to just cycling the same few story lines, with a bit of an effort to shake it up.
'Oh look, one of the FF has lost their powers; how will they cope?'
'Wait, the government thinks Reed and Sue might be bad parents! Will they be allowed to keep their kids?'
'Oh no! Ben is depressed about looking like a monster! Will his friendship with Reed survive?'
'Uh oh! Reed is getting too involved in his work again, will his family be able to convince him to make things back to normal?'
(Surprisingly well, after losing them temporarily they'll get them back, yes, yes)
H.B.M.C. wrote: Reboot the comics universe, or the cinematic one?
Why would they reboot the films? - they are brilliant AND popular money coming in and they now have a reasonably coherent universe. Not up to date with comics.
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Alpharius wrote: They need to reboot the whole MU and start it all over again!
Marvel tried that.
It didn't work out so well.
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2014/11/18 00:18:34
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
Alpharius wrote: They need to reboot the whole MU and start it all over again!
Marvel tried that.
It didn't work out so well.
They have the Ultimate Universe, which isn't really a reboot, and some writers have tried individual changes (One More Day) but those were still in continuity. The have never had anything on the scale of a Crisis on Infinite Earths or New 52. They just start over but it is part of existing lore and makes the whole thing convoluted.
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2014/11/18 01:53:16
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
That's why Marvel has that "sliding continuity" thing, whereas DC just acts like its The Simpsons, where everyone is part-way into their careers no matter what year it is.
Alpharius wrote: They need to reboot the whole MU and start it all over again!
Marvel tried that.
It didn't work out so well.
They have the Ultimate Universe, which isn't really a reboot, and some writers have tried individual changes (One More Day) but those were still in continuity. The have never had anything on the scale of a Crisis on Infinite Earths or New 52. They just start over but it is part of existing lore and makes the whole thing convoluted.
I actually meant Heroes Reborn, which was an attempt to reboot many of their more popular franchises(who just happened to be killed during the Onslaught event) which then were stated to exist in pocket dimensions that were folded into 616 because Franklin Ex Machina.
Which honestly, Franklin Richards is more than enough reason to wipe 616 clean and start over.
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2014/11/18 04:41:26
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
Paradigm wrote: Very cool! But Stark's new armour steals the show there.
Nay!
The Vision > Iron Man
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2014/12/04 02:29:38
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
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2014/12/11 14:52:44
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
It'd be easy to make a comment about the tail wagging the dog, but we're already far past the point at which the movies dictate to the comic books. Especially with Marvel.
I wouldn't want to write for Marvel. There's nothing wrong with changing Wanda and Pietro's background, per se. Shake-ups can be good, healthy and interesting. But when you trace back the reasons for this particular change...eh.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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2014/12/30 07:45:19
Subject: Re:Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
Loving the Pinocchio references because at least in my mind there's a parallel or two. It also adds a kind of depth to Ultron's evil, like eventhough he was created by a Human he's declaring himself completely independent and not owing them anything. It's his way of saying zero given.
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2014/12/30 12:50:09
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
Of late, Brian Bendis has given us two specific plot points that seem to contradict what has been dubbed the Marvel Rolling Continuity, set in place since the seventies, to keep characters from ageing too much. That the Marvel Universe started around ten to fifteen years ago and that will always be the case, real life events switching to reflect that. So Mister Fantastic and Ben Grimm now fought alongside each other in Desert Storm rather than World War II. You get the picture.
But even in that there have been oddities. The Punisher remains a Vietnam veteran. Nick Fury still still fought in World War II – the latter explained away by a health serum.
But now we have the All-New X-Men, brought back from the past, but reacting in a way inconsistent with coming from only ten-to-fifteen years ago.
Which ties in with a scene from X-Men: Schism #3 from a few years ago.
With a speech balloon covering up an unfortunate date…
And just now a time travelling Eva Bell established the Fantastic Four’s battle with Galactus in 1966.
All three written by Brian Bendis. So what’s going on?
Well, Bleeding Cool poster Patrick Gerard has a proposal and I rather like it. He writes,
So what if “Time Runs Out”/”Time is Broken” ends up revealing that there was an in-universe reasdon for the sliding timeline?
And just for controversy… What if the “reboot” involves the sliding timeline being broken. For some people. FF and X-Men debut in the 60s. Most are dead now. Avengers formed 5 years ago.
It could be the JSAing of the FF and X-Men.
Heck, add bonus?
You could introduce Evangeline Lily’s Hope Van Dyne into the 616. (There’s even a built in rationale for disconnecting Hank Pym from the sliding timeline: he’s a temporal pressure point because of Age of Ultron.)
Introduce non-mutant kids (grandkids?) of the X-Men and Franklin Richards’ kids. In a non-X-Men or Fantastic Four book.
I might have to see the exact agreement with Fox to be sure but I think if Scott and Jean had a non-mutant grandchild who debuted outside the X-Men comics and Franklin Richards had kids outside of an FF comic, Marvel Studios would have a clear line to those characters.
I’m just saying, intentionally dating some of the characters would allow Marvel to sideline the ones it doesn’t have rights to while also exploiting the popularity of X-Men: First Class.
Snap the elastic timeline for a few characters. Shove them back into the 60s.
You could do it with FF (and much of their history would make more sense), X-Men (movie tie-in with a twist and no issues with why they don’t cross over), and maybe a few select characters like Ant-Man (movie tie-in, again).
The Avengers debuted five years ago. The X-Men and FF meanwhile aged in real time from the 60s and died before the Avengers debuted.
Well, you have Franklin and Valeria’s kids pop up in Avengers and form their own team obviously. As an Avengers spin-off that frequently crosses over with Fantastic Four’s plotlines but whose movie rights are squarely at Marvel/Disney.
I’m not talking about just doing this with X-Men and FF after all. Hank Pym, as I say, is a prime candidate for a variety of reasons. Not JUST to match the films.
With all of these, I think the interesting thing is making the alterations part of the story. Maybe as one poster suggested, Franklin was trying to anchor people together in time from different eras and the sliding timeline was a real thing in universe. Maybe there’s a crisis event in 2039 and the Marvel heroes have all been set on a gently sliding timeline as a means of making sure there will be heroes to deal with the 2039 crisis. But like a plane whose load is too heavy, some of the heroes need to be released from the sliding timeline so that the others can continue on that course — and those who continue do so aware that their timeline is sliding, that there are a dozen Christmases for every year they age.
But the FF, X-Men, Wasp, Hank Pym… Maybe a few others? They volunteer to leave the sliding timeline and, in doing so, snap back into the 60s, with their descendants appearing in the ongoing Spider-man and Avengers books.
And then laying out how it could happen in the comic books…
Imagine…
Mr. Fantastic: I noticed a funny thing when reviewing records in my quantum database. How old was your father when he died, Tony?
Iron Man: 75
Mr. Fantastic: Last year, he died at 74. The year before that, he died at 73.
Iron Man: What are you saying?
Mr. Fantastic: The details of how our parents died are in flux. The details of how they met are in flux. I’ve analyzed our family trees. What is your relationship to Howard Stark, Sr?
Iron Man: He’s my great-great-grandfather.
Mr. Fantastic: Your family tree has gained two generations since you became Iron Man. Your brother, Arno Stark? He used to be your son. And according to my calculations, in a few years he’ll become your uncle. We’re being pulled through time and not all of us at the same rate.
Iron Man: What are you saying?
Mr. Fantastic: Sue and I were reminiscing. Going through old library footage. The story of how we met has been changing. Right now, we remember meeting as graduate students. Both of us were in grad school.
Iron Man: I thought you met through the boarding house you stayed at. Her aunt Susan’s place?
Mr. Fantastic: She doesn’t have an Aunt Susan. She has a great-aunt Susan now. And before that, records show we met when I was her graduate teaching assistant. Our ages haven’t been stable relative to each other.
Iron Man: Well, I always wondered how she maintained such a nice figure after two children. Yoga only accounts for so much.
Mr. Fantastic: Our timelines are being stretched at an uneven rate. Our family trees are in flux. Something — or someone — is pulling the details of our lives forward through time.
Iron Man: That seems troubling. Granted, that might explain the fantastic returns my portfolio saw last quarter. Five times the market rate ever since I became Iron Man. That shouldn’t be possible, come to think of it…
Mr. Fantastic: I think it would be unwise to upset the applecart too much here but some of us have determined that this temporal fluke can’t sustain all of us anymore. Some of us need to revert back to normal time.
Iron Man: What are you saying? Are you saying you’ve cut the link?
Mr. Fantastic: Tony, by this time tomorrow, I’ll probably have been dead before you ever became Iron Man. And there will come a day when I was dead before you were born. This is the last day the Fantastic Four and the Avengers coexist as contemporaries. You’re on a collision course to the future and we’ll be snapping back to the past. We won’t be contemporaries anymore.
Iron Man: Don’t be silly, Reed. There’s always time travel. I’m sure we’ll find a way to stay in touch. Great minds tend to end up in the same room. King Arthur sends Christmas cards now and then; archaeologists dig them up in Glastonbury and I always make sure to read them in order.
Mr. Fantastic: I’m glad you can take this in stride.
Iron Man: Give my regards to Einstein, Reed.
So what do people reckon? Would you be onside? Or should it be kicked into touch? To mix my sporting metaphors…
"First discovered as a simple computer program hidden among the ruins of the Chitauri invasion of New York, the being known as Ultron soon completed it's development into a sophisticated artificial intelligence after some experimentation by Tony Stark. Ultron's first shocking ultimatum upon gaining consciousness was to declare the human race its enemy. Setting out to exterminate all life on the planet, the unstable and emotional Ultron seeks to upgrade its mechanical body to an ultimate, unstoppable form. With an army of robotic drones and the ability to enter and corrupt any computer network, Ultron will stop at nothing to see humanity wiped out."
The art and background for The Vision all seem good.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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2015/01/03 18:31:42
Subject: Re:Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
Obligatory trailer for the forthcoming trailer ...
This is actually full size and watchable, it's not the joke "ant sized" one they put out before.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2015/01/03 18:45:45
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
money coming in and they now have a reasonably coherent universe. Not up to date with comics.
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