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 Sigvatr wrote:
Well to start with the video: it's...debatable. To begin with, a lot of what is considered "harassment" isn't. ...

A lot of it is.

 daedalus wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
New York is plagued by hipsters.

Never move there.

You are thinking of San Francisco.

New York is not that bad. Its filled with people who think the world revolves around them. (I.E. The American Mentality)

Chicago is full of rude people.

Detroit is empty.

Miami is filled with fakes.

St. Louis. Hide your wife, hide your kids.

LA is filled with lost souls.

Seattle is filled with artists.

Austin is filled with.... I don't know I've never been there I can't really say.

Those sound like the most stereotypical stereotypes I've heard in a while. I haven't been to Chicago proper in a while, but last time I was up there for a business trip, people seemed no more or less rude than anywhere. I don't know what 'fakes' are, but all I can think of are old people and college kids in... well, really anywhere in Florida. Might have just been the areas though. And St. Louis? Really? What areas of St. Louis were you vacationing in?

Agreed.

Also... where in St. Louis did you vaycay in? I love my City because I was raised here... but, as a "destination"?? o.O

We have free Zoo... St. Louis Cardinals... aaaaaaaaand... I got nuthin.

The Arch.
A really big brewery.
When I was a kid a hostess plant that made tweenkies. Plant tours were AWESOME.
An awesome concert/ballet hall.
Did you know tweenkies really do have a shelf life?

 whembly wrote:

Agreed.

Also... where in St. Louis did you vaycay in? I love my City because I was raised here... but, as a "destination"?? o.O

We have free Zoo... St. Louis Cardinals... aaaaaaaaand... I got nuthin.

Well, I mean, depending on how remote an area you're coming from and your respective age, there's the history/art museums, the science center, Six Flags, uh... the... world's largest Amoco sign?


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Oh, we have a pretty good concert scene. That's not exactly vacation type stuff there, but we have stuff like Powell Hall and the Peabody Opera Hall (which is what Frazz was probably talking about). That might appeal to people who like really old but really cool buildings.

And if you count the surrounding 100 miles or so, you can add in Meramec Caverns. The damned billboards hardly let you forget it!

I remember those.
Do they still have the mine you could tour complete with fault line running through it?

 whembly wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
New York is plagued by hipsters.

Never move there.

You are thinking of San Francisco.

New York is not that bad. Its filled with people who think the world revolves around them. (I.E. The American Mentality)

Chicago is full of rude people.

Detroit is empty.

Miami is filled with fakes.

St. Louis. Hide your wife, hide your kids.

LA is filled with lost souls.

Seattle is filled with artists.

Austin is filled with.... I don't know I've never been there I can't really say.

Those sound like the most stereotypical stereotypes I've heard in a while. I haven't been to Chicago proper in a while, but last time I was up there for a business trip, people seemed no more or less rude than anywhere. I don't know what 'fakes' are, but all I can think of are old people and college kids in... well, really anywhere in Florida. Might have just been the areas though. And St. Louis? Really? What areas of St. Louis were you vacationing in?

Agreed.

Also... where in St. Louis did you vaycay in? I love my City because I was raised here... but, as a "destination"?? o.O

We have free Zoo... St. Louis Cardinals... aaaaaaaaand... I got nuthin.

The City Museum was pretty nifty.

 Sigvatr wrote:


So when people say they want a nice piece of ass, they actually want to kill and eat innocent animals? D:

Context my friend, context.

 daedalus wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Agreed.

Also... where in St. Louis did you vaycay in? I love my City because I was raised here... but, as a "destination"?? o.O

We have free Zoo... St. Louis Cardinals... aaaaaaaaand... I got nuthin.

Well, I mean, depending on how remote an area you're coming from and your respective age, there's the history/art museums, the science center, Six Flags, uh... the... world's largest Amoco sign?


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Oh, we have a pretty good concert scene. That's not exactly vacation type stuff there, but we have stuff like Powell Hall and the Peabody Opera Hall (which is what Frazz was probably talking about). That might appeal to people who like really old but really cool buildings.

And if you count the surrounding 100 miles or so, you can add in Meramec Caverns. The damned billboards hardly let you forget it!

Maybe we're spoiled because we have "good" standard of living here.

You don't have to be super rich/super star to live "good" here compared to living in those "desination" cities.

I laughed so hard at this, my monocle popped out.

daedalus wrote:Good sir, I recommend you nary a doff of your top hat to such ilk, continue covering your face with your handkerchief so as to best maintain your sensibilities amidst the reek of such unwashed vagabonds, and make for fairer environs absent of such scoundrels and uncouth ruffians.

Heh...

 whembly wrote:
Heh...

yeah pretty much that... x 10000000


Most women actually do enjoy being complimented... most people do in fact enjoy complements and attention.


but Ill make a deal with feminists, Ill start campaining against street compliments so no woman should have to bear the burden of a 50/50 chance that someone will complement them every time the go out,

as soon as feminists start campaining against the fact that almost all divorces end up with the woman getting at least half the guys stuff on top of her own.

Wonderful video.

 easysauce wrote:

as soon as feminists start campaining against the fact that almost all divorces end up with the woman getting at least half the guys stuff on top of her own.

And the kids, even if she has demonstrated repeatedly that she is a drug addict or otherwise incapable of raising smaller humans.

You guys forget that this isn't a video of a woman who felt the need to do so.

She was hired by a feminist organization to make the video, she was asked to do it in a specific area and she was instructed on what clothing to wear.

Good video above though. As I said - if you feel being harassed by someone saying "Good morning, how you're doing?", then you have issues.

 Sigvatr wrote:
You guys forget that this isn't a video of a woman who felt the need to do so.

She was hired by a feminist organization to make the video, she was asked to do it in a specific area and she was instructed on what clothing to wear.

Good video above though. As I said - if you feel being harassed by someone saying "Good morning, how you're doing?", then you have issues.

Or you live ina major city and recognize it for what it is. It may not be legally defined harassment, but its definitely harassment.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
You guys forget that this isn't a video of a woman who felt the need to do so.

She was hired by a feminist organization to make the video, she was asked to do it in a specific area and she was instructed on what clothing to wear.

Good video above though. As I said - if you feel being harassed by someone saying "Good morning, how you're doing?", then you have issues.

Or you live ina major city and recognize it for what it is. It may not be legally defined harassment, but its definitely harassment.

And this is where I'd say...

Deal with it.

They did. They put it on youtube.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
You guys forget that this isn't a video of a woman who felt the need to do so.

She was hired by a feminist organization to make the video, she was asked to do it in a specific area and she was instructed on what clothing to wear.

Good video above though. As I said - if you feel being harassed by someone saying "Good morning, how you're doing?", then you have issues.

Or you live ina major city and recognize it for what it is. It may not be legally defined harassment, but its definitely harassment.

If you consider this harassment, then you better lock yourself up in a nuclear bunker in Antarctica.

Feels like the same-old issue:
Is this person more "likely" to get attention based on looks? Yes.
Is she "deserving" of unwanted attention? No.

Not being a card carrying member of "beautiful people" good looks give many perks and in this case has some disadvantages.

Pretty much anything in life has a cost and benefit.

The behaviors are in question for appropriateness but the main factor is motivation:
The "average" person would like to be associated with a good looking person due to attractiveness and cultural status.

I hate to say that the only way to stop harassing behavior in a realistic way is to show as little as possible of what people would "want".
Same advice for decreasing odds of getting mugged (dress down) or attacked by a wild animal (do not carry smelly food) or whatever.
She was not dressed provocatively but her general figure was readily discernible.

Our typical go-to item to get what we want is to modify appearance:
- Dress-up for an interview to get hired.
- I put on my glasses and bring a folio when visiting suppliers to set a business tone.
- Wear well fitted clothes for the clubs (funny how good clothes can make me look as good as "beautiful people" who dress down).
- Wear baggy clothes when exercising when not wanting to be noticed at the club.

I would have liked to see her do another run down the same path with the following modifications:
- Hair in ponytail.
- Baseball cap.
- Sunglasses. (Key item)
- Light jacket overtop draping down from chest not pulled-in and just past hips.
- Earphones in (do not need to be on).

Pretty much all of that would say "not interested in being talked to or at".

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
You guys forget that this isn't a video of a woman who felt the need to do so.

She was hired by a feminist organization to make the video, she was asked to do it in a specific area and she was instructed on what clothing to wear.

Good video above though. As I said - if you feel being harassed by someone saying "Good morning, how you're doing?", then you have issues.

Or you live ina major city and recognize it for what it is. It may not be legally defined harassment, but its definitely harassment.

If you consider this harassment, then you better lock yourself up in a nuclear bunker in Antarctica.

1. I doin't think we're working on the same definition.
2. Antartic bunkers are for European wussies. Real men build fortresses in the Australian Deathworld and surrounded by moats filled with crocodiles and full auto killer drop bear launchers.

 Frazzled wrote:


Or you live ina major city and recognize it for what it is. It may not be legally defined harassment, but its definitely harassment.

Its not legally defined as harrasment, so its not harrasment... period.. legal definitions exist for a reason.

Its also not harrasment to compliment or talk to people... the mere act of asking someone out, saying hi or complementing them with the intent of asking them out, is also not harrasment, calling it such is hippocritical in a society that literally forces men to be the ones to initate relationships.



I mean, taking half a guys $ in the divorce is *stealing*.. not by the legal term of course, but its still *stealing* so where are the women calling for the equal right to pay their ex husbands alimony, lose half their stuff, and their kids?

Actually, there are very few laws called "harassment" so you're er wrong.

I have thought of a good answer though. Every time she's walking and someone talks to her she should hit the siren on a bullhorn at them with NO THANK YOU! After all, she's just replying to their innocent query with an innocent reply.

I once sent a homeless guy cartwheeling by doing that (just my voice), because he got too close.

 Frazzled wrote:
Actually, there are very few laws called "harassment" so you're er wrong.

I have thought of a good answer though. Every time she's walking and someone talks to her she should hit the siren on a bullhorn at them with NO THANK YOU! After all, she's just replying to their innocent query with an innocent reply.

I once sent a homeless guy cartwheeling by doing that (just my voice), because he got too close.

HOW DARE YOU TALK TO ME YOU HOMELESS PERSON!

just because you have a physical need, hunger, that I can possibly help you meet, doesnt mean you have the right to talk to me.

just because you have a physical need, sex, that I can possibly help you meet, doesnt mean you have the right to talk to me.

WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO SPEAK FREELY TO ME MERE MORTAL....

wait, we have list of rights?
and thats the first one? really? the first one on the freedom list is freedom of speech, even if you are some hobo or heaven for bid, male, trying to talk to a pretty white girl?

colour me shocked!

 Frazzled wrote:


I once sent a homeless guy cartwheeling by doing that (just my voice), because he got too close.

Or you know, you could have just have said it in a polite tone. Was he/she really that scary?
I still don't understand why people think that it's ok to hang gak on homeless people. The only thing that separates your from them is an abode and a weeks worth of showering.

 easysauce wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Actually, there are very few laws called "harassment" so you're er wrong.

I have thought of a good answer though. Every time she's walking and someone talks to her she should hit the siren on a bullhorn at them with NO THANK YOU! After all, she's just replying to their innocent query with an innocent reply.

I once sent a homeless guy cartwheeling by doing that (just my voice), because he got too close.

HOW DARE YOU TALK TO ME YOU HOMELESS PERSON!

I like that. However I prefer to ask what clothing size they are for my new people suit.




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 Bullockist wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


I once sent a homeless guy cartwheeling by doing that (just my voice), because he got too close.

Or you know, you could have just have said it in a polite tone. Was he/she really that scary?
I still don't understand why people think that it's ok to hang gak on homeless people. The only thing that separates your from them is an abode and a weeks worth of showering.

Yes actually, he suddenly appeared and was in touching distance and wasn't taking no for an answer while getting closer.
At the time there had been multiple stabbings of bystanders by bums. In my younger days I probably would have just kicked in the head.

 Frazzled wrote:

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 Bullockist wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


I once sent a homeless guy cartwheeling by doing that (just my voice), because he got too close.

Or you know, you could have just have said it in a polite tone. Was he/she really that scary?
I still don't understand why people think that it's ok to hang gak on homeless people. The only thing that separates your from them is an abode and a weeks worth of showering.

Yes actually, he suddenly appeared and was in touching distance and wasn't taking no for an answer while getting closer.
At the time there had been multiple stabbings of bystanders by bums. In my younger days I probably would have just kicked in the head.

Yeah, the homeless guy is the one who was acting inappropriate, not the guy who wanted to kick in his head.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

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 Bullockist wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


I once sent a homeless guy cartwheeling by doing that (just my voice), because he got too close.

Or you know, you could have just have said it in a polite tone. Was he/she really that scary?
I still don't understand why people think that it's ok to hang gak on homeless people. The only thing that separates your from them is an abode and a weeks worth of showering.

Yes actually, he suddenly appeared and was in touching distance and wasn't taking no for an answer while getting closer.
At the time there had been multiple stabbings of bystanders by bums. In my younger days I probably would have just kicked in the head.

Yeah, the homeless guy is the one who was acting inappropriate, not the guy who wanted to kick in his head.

Exactly.
Its interesting, them harassing me is ok, but if I respond I'm the bad guy. Blame the VICTIM!

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

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 Bullockist wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


I once sent a homeless guy cartwheeling by doing that (just my voice), because he got too close.

Or you know, you could have just have said it in a polite tone. Was he/she really that scary?
I still don't understand why people think that it's ok to hang gak on homeless people. The only thing that separates your from them is an abode and a weeks worth of showering.

Yes actually, he suddenly appeared and was in touching distance and wasn't taking no for an answer while getting closer.
At the time there had been multiple stabbings of bystanders by bums. In my younger days I probably would have just kicked in the head.

Yeah, the homeless guy is the one who was acting inappropriate, not the guy who wanted to kick in his head.

Umm... given what Frazz described, I'm definitely inclined to side with him.

If there's a recent history of a certain action going on, being done by a specific "group" or "type" of person/people, then I'd definitely react in such a way that fits the recent history.

Wait... its a 2 minutes long and named 10 hours of walking. So she edited it out for the best ones?

Cause if I walked 10 hours through the city I'd get crazies talking to me too. I could cherry pick the best ones into a two minute video just like this.

Plus 2 minutes out of 10 hours is less than 1%. 100 weirdos in a city of what? 15 million? C'mon.

This is misleading.

Instead of saying blah blah blah "feminist", blah blah blah "tight clothes, blah blah blah "deal with it", why don't you be honest and say you think it is absolutely acceptable to treat women this way.