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Bishop F Gantry wrote:

Do you keep your phone aligned with other peoples crotches?

I keep my phone in my right, front pocket. I also pull it from there when it vibrates or rings, and generally look down at it while doing anything related to it. This, unsurprisingly, means that it often aligns with other peoples' crotches.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Because people are social creatures, even an introvert like myself desires to enjoy a conversation once in a while with people.

So why not go out and participate in social events where you can get a conversation instead of insisting on meaningless "hi, nice weather today" conversations with people who might be wishing you'd just STFU and go away?

Here's a hint, being out in public forces you to interact with people, people do not walk around in bubbles of no social interaction.

And that's my point: it shouldn't. I acknowledge that right now people feel entitled to bother everyone they see, but this is something that shouldn't happen.

What you are essentially saying is that we should move the harassment laws up to saying "Hello" . There is something seriously wrong with that sort of thought and it dilutes Harassment down from actual cases of it. Speaking to someone on the street in a polite manner is not Harassment, no matter how Asocial you are.

Nice straw man there. I'm not suggesting changing any laws, I'm just saying that it's bad behavior.

 dogma wrote:

 whembly wrote:

That men are aroused differently than women...

Ignoring the biological differences, yeah, that's true; though not necessarily in the way you want it to be. What is titillating has as much to do with society (and experience) as it does with biology.

 whembly wrote:

And that some men/city/culture express it differently than other men (catcalling).

If I remember correctly, you're married. Did you introduce yourself to your wife by yelling "Nice ass!"?

Here's the problem.

It's using that event to broadly push an anti-male agenda.

This extreme-machismo are found in Latino/Blacks sub-cultures.

 whembly wrote:
[It's using that event to broadly push an anti-male agenda.

How exactly is it anti-male to say "don't make uninvited sexual comments to random strangers"?

This extreme-machismo are found in Latino/Blacks sub-cultures.

Again, how is that relevant?

 CatharsisX wrote:
Also, they did one with a male, (which has probably already posted) and he received just as much cat calling.

Just another reason why we should adopt Peregrine's preferred method of interaction: None.

 whembly wrote:

It's using that event to broadly push an anti-male agenda.

No it isn't, assuming "it" is the original video. It is about women being harassed when walking down the street. Any perception of an "anti-male agenda" is the result of you becoming defensive.

You also didn't answer my question: Did you introduce yourself to your wife by yelling "Nice ass!"?

I'm going to stick my head up here a bit, and no doubt, stick my foot in my mouth.

So, being one of those odd people that like quantifying things. I had a go at approaching this in a semi-haphazard manner. There's 22 incidents in the video, so I decided to try to 'rate' them on a scale of 1-10. The way I sort of approached this was. 1-5 was not what I'd interpret as 'harrassing' behaviour, or anything creepy or particularly uncomfortable, perhaps relatively 'innocent' would be a good phrase? - but then, it is on a scale.

6-10, would be the areas that are not good, in my opinion and would be particularly unawesome. Again, on a scale. 10 being rather bad indeed.

So, there's a possible 220 points available here. My gut instinct was that the video showed a roughly 50/50 innocent/creepy split. But lets see...




"How are you doing today? - Smile - I guess not good. SMILE!"
- See, if it was just the first part, no problem. The demands to start smiling... I can't blame someone for potentially thinking there might be an 'or else' suggestion there. 8

"What's up Beautiful. Have a good day!"
- Yeah, I can see the objectifying argument here, but overall, it's not exactly a bad thing in my view. 3

"Hey, what's up girl? How you doing?"
- A bit random, but to be honest, harmless, in my opinion. 2

"Someone's acknowledging you for being beautiful. You should say thank you more! For real!"
- This guy seemed to be unrelated to the previous guy, so I'm treating it as 2 different things. In any case, this one isn't cool at all. 8

"God bless you mami! Damn!"
- Yup, I'd probably not see it as polite behaviour. Nothing scary though. How about a 6?

"Hey Baby"
- I'd give it a 4.

"Hey Beautiful"
- About a 3.

"How are you this morning?"
- Yeah, this is one of the ones I have issue with. That's a 1, no doubt about it.

"Have a nice evening."
- Also, a bit of an eyeroller. A 1.

"Nice!"
- Come on, really. I'm sure a person would just love that comment. I'm going for a 6.

"Damn. DAMN!"
- I'm giving that a 7.

"Hi Beautiful. God bless."
- I'd probably lower that one to a 2, just for the 'God bless'

"Sexy- American Eagle!"
- Yeah, I don't understand this one to be honest. Lets go for a 6, but I can't blame anyone for rating it higher.

"Hello good morning. God bless you have a good day alright"
- See, the actual words, seem fine and perfectly polite. But following a person for 5 minutes? Seems rather weird. I'm going to put that as a 10, but not for the actual words.

"Damn. How you doing?"
- Not exactly subtle. Lets go for a 6.

"How you doing good, sweetie?"
- A 4-ish I guess.

"Hey look it there! I just saw a thousand dollars."
- I'm going to assume that guy was trying to sell her something, and would say the same or similar thing to anyone. In saying that, I'd find it a bit annoying, but not really harassment. So a 5.

"Damn Girl"
- About a 6?

"You don't wanna talk? Because I'm ugly? Huh? We can't be friends, nothing? You don't speak? If I give you my number, would you talk to me? Too ugly for you?"
- Yeah, this is another 10. Creepy as all heck.

"What's up miss?"
- Seems utterly innocent to me, and quite polite as well. I'd give it a 1.

"How you doing?"
- Yeah, another 1.

"Have a nice evening darling."
- 2 again, I think


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So, a total of 102, by my count and in my opinion. To conclude from my opinion of it all. The video had a good point to make, with worthy goals. - And there certainly are issues out there with street harrassment. However, the video's production and trying to go for a 'shock' factor of '100 incidents of harassment!!!!!' Is just entirely self defeating and, I think, personally a bit grasping at straws.
If they had redone the video, halved the footage and went along the lines of. "Here are some things that a normal woman has to put up with day by day." And shown the worst ones, I don't think any reasonable person would have an issue with the video. Basically, putting in all the "How you doings?" have just entirely diluted the point the video was trying to make and, might very well, have done more harm than good in appealing to getting support from the general male populace.

 Compel wrote:
If they had redone the video, halved the footage and went along the lines of. "Here are some things that a normal woman has to put up with day by day."

... then it'd be even less useful.

This woman wasn't "harassed". She had a guy follow her for 5 mins, which was weird and not good, and a few people made some rude comments. The rest of it was pretty normal human interaction, even if a bit tasteless in places.

Trying to rate each statement out of context is kind of missing the point. Yes, "hey beautiful" is just tasteless and not explicitly threatening, but think about it from the point of view of the person receiving the "compliment": they have no idea whether you're just going to drop it immediately if they don't respond, or escalate to "Someone's acknowledging you for being beautiful. You should say thank you more! For real!". So even the less-harmful comments can still feel awkward and unwelcome because of that moment of uncertainty about whether this is going to be the creepy or threatening guy instead of the "harmless" guy.

And then you have to consider the selfishness of making the comment in the first place. Even if it isn't "call the police" levels of threatening many (if not most) people don't care about your opinion. So by saying something, even something as mild as "hey beautiful" you're stating that your desire to make someone pay attention to you and hear your opinion is more important than the risk of making them uncomfortable. And that makes even the less-tasteless "compliments" seem a lot more obnoxious.

 Peregrine wrote:

This extreme-machismo are found in Latino/Blacks sub-cultures.

Again, how is that relevant?

Then explain in this scenario:


Which features an attractive white woman taking a 10-hour walk through predominately white Auckland and having her experience recorded by a friend... in which, the only things that happened is that a few head turns by men as she walks past them.


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 dogma wrote:

You also didn't answer my question: Did you introduce yourself to your wife by yelling "Nice ass!"?

Nope, because I don't *fit* in the usual stereotype that participates in catcalling.

 Peregrine wrote:

Bolded the answer. There's nothing wrong with talking to people in contexts where conversation is expected and the person you're talking to appears open to conversation. The issue here is things like expecting every random person walking down the street is just waiting to pay attention to you, even when they've done nothing to even acknowledge that you exist.

Soo.... if I happen to bump into you on the street because we're both walking with our heads fairly well down, and walking quickly with a "purpose", you'd rather I just keep on walkin' than to at least say "excuse me" or "sorry"


Seriously, if all you're saying is "good morning/good afternoon" that in itself isn't even an "offer" for conversation. It's being a pleasant human fething being.

 Compel wrote:
I"Sexy- American Eagle!"
- Yeah, I don't understand this one to be honest. Lets go for a 6, but I can't blame anyone for rating it higher.

Those are the brand of jeans she is wearing, which are displayed on the label on her rear.

I'm aware of that. It still seems really weird. I mean... Just why?. It hurts my brain.

"Gorgeous, Marks and Spencers Blue Harbour Stormwear" would be an equivalent. Its just random.

Nine pages and we haven't figured this out?

No earbuds = talk to me

Earbuds in/hood up = F off.

You know what's funny? Sometimes when somebody pretty of the opposite sex is sad i want them to smile. There's sort of an odd feeling like you care more when somebody pretty feels bad. I dunno maybe that's weird. I wouldn't consider telling them to smile to be harassment. I've seen at least a couple people feel bad for pretty people dying or being hurt in tv shows and games even with no other things shown about said characters.

I wish somebody cared if i felt sad. Most people give about zero sh*ts when that happens though perhaps it's just perception.

Looking back there was this guy that approached me as i often looked sad because i am constantly depressed. At the time i thought he was trying to mug me and i was uncomfortable but he was just trying to help me out. That said i'm not always a sociable guy. Maybe i shouldn't have avoided social contact so much (it was just outside a mall).

Also in another case there was a black guy near a white guy that fell out of his chair and his dog. The black guy flagged me down and at first i had an awkward feeling about the situation but i eventually came over there and he wanted help lifting the guy back onto his chair. Eventually we did it with the help of a couple women somewhat. Afterwards we parted ways. Had this happened in a nicer area i probably would've been less freaked out being flagged down.

Anyway point being perhaps it's not a big deal to have social interaction with people you don't know and aren't forced into interaction with via a class or similar but just happen upon each other. I mean one of my longest lasting friendships happened because we struck up a conversation while he was watching monty python. Sure it was awkward for him but he found me to be a cool guy later and we've been friend for about 8 years. Had i never talked to him we never would've known each other.

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I'm not sure where peregrine is coming from but what he's saying sounds ridiculous and extreme though maybe i misinterpreted. So you are telling me i couldn't ask a stranger where the bathroom is or ask them for directions. I'll admit social cues with facial expressions and similar are helpful but not everybody gets those. That doesn't make them bad though perhaps bad at social interaction. That's not a crime and it shouldn't be.

It's rather ridiculous the things people are getting mad about these days. You'd think we should next get mad at chairs people sit in and leave before you sit there and have to deal with their residual *ss warmth left on the chair or wet cuffs on your sleeves. It's annoying yes but it isn't such a big deal that i have to broadcast it and say something must be changed.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
You know what's funny? Sometimes when somebody pretty of the opposite sex is sad i want them to smile. There's sort of an odd feeling like you care more when somebody pretty feels bad. I dunno maybe that's weird. I wouldn't consider telling them to smile to be harassment. I.

1.) Of course, if someone is ugly, you could give a feth less about why they aren't smiling, and

2.) Whatever they are unhappy about is less important than you reminding them they could be a better decoration for you.

And, that's the issue in a nutshell.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
You know what's funny? Sometimes when somebody pretty of the opposite sex is sad i want them to smile. There's sort of an odd feeling like you care more when somebody pretty feels bad. I dunno maybe that's weird. I wouldn't consider telling them to smile to be harassment. I've seen at least a couple people feel bad for pretty people dying or being hurt in tv shows and games even with no other things shown about said characters.

You know what the problem with this is? Sometimes when people aren't smiling for a reason. If I just found out that my family all died in a horrible accident I don't give a if someone thinks it would be nice if I was happier, and I'd probably want to punch them in the face if they told me to smile. Essentially what you're saying here is your opinion that it's sad to see a pretty person not smiling is more important than their likely desire to be left alone and not be told to just magically make themselves happy.

I'm not sure where peregrine is coming from but what he's saying sounds ridiculous and extreme though maybe i misinterpreted. So you are telling me i couldn't ask a stranger where the bathroom is or ask them for directions.

Sigh. Is it really that hard to understand the difference between talking to someone for a practical reason (asking where the bathroom is) and talking to someone just to hear yourself talk (whatever meaningless "nice weather today" nonsense you can talk to a random stranger about)?

That's not a crime and it shouldn't be.

And I really don't know where this ridiculous straw man is coming from. My opinion that bothering strangers just to hear yourself talk is bad manners and shouldn't be accepted has nothing to do with what is legal. Nobody is suggesting that you should go to jail for saying "nice weather today", I'm just going to think you're annoying and wish you'd STFU and go away if you insist on bothering me with that kind of "conversation".

 Peregrine wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
You know what's funny? Sometimes when somebody pretty of the opposite sex is sad i want them to smile. There's sort of an odd feeling like you care more when somebody pretty feels bad. I dunno maybe that's weird. I wouldn't consider telling them to smile to be harassment. I've seen at least a couple people feel bad for pretty people dying or being hurt in tv shows and games even with no other things shown about said characters.

You know what the problem with this is? Sometimes when people aren't smiling for a reason. If I just found out that my family all died in a horrible accident I don't give a if someone thinks it would be nice if I was happier, and I'd probably want to punch them in the face if they told me to smile. Essentially what you're saying here is your opinion that it's sad to see a pretty person not smiling is more important than their likely desire to be left alone and not be told to just magically make themselves happy.

I'm not sure where peregrine is coming from but what he's saying sounds ridiculous and extreme though maybe i misinterpreted. So you are telling me i couldn't ask a stranger where the bathroom is or ask them for directions.

Sigh. Is it really that hard to understand the difference between talking to someone for a practical reason (asking where the bathroom is) and talking to someone just to hear yourself talk (whatever meaningless "nice weather today" nonsense you can talk to a random stranger about)?

That's not a crime and it shouldn't be.

And I really don't know where this ridiculous straw man is coming from. My opinion that bothering strangers just to hear yourself talk is bad manners and shouldn't be accepted has nothing to do with what is legal. Nobody is suggesting that you should go to jail for saying "nice weather today", I'm just going to think you're annoying and wish you'd STFU and go away if you insist on bothering me with that kind of "conversation".

Which is funny because when my mom ACTUALLY died i felt all alone in the world and wished somebody else cared. I guess it's different for different people though even if some compare hypothetical to actual situations.

Also what you're saying is somebody telling you to be happy is equal to being punched in the face. You're a rather aggressive person.

I don't understand once again. Sometimes the people that cut my hair talk to me and as i said i've met some people in some places and randomly stroke up a conversation like on a plane for instance. You are sitting next to somebody for 3+ hours. If you're not talking you're probably very bored or sleeping.

If that's the case you should make your feelings known rather than just let them simmer away until they boil over and you punch somebody in the face. Often i hear people say they're being the nice guy by not saying the problem they have with somebody when in the end it usually results in the person repeating a supposed bad behavior they didn't even know bothered you until it was so grating you exploded in their face either with words or violence. If somebody is talking to you and they don't get the message to stop then just tell them politely to stop. After that point if they continue it's rude.

I don't think saying "hey" or "how are you" or anything to that effect counts.

When I worked in a Grocery store, I was taught by my boss to greet everyone that came within 5 feet or so of you with a smile.And I still do that. I don't want to get in your pants, but If I'm walking down the street and someone walks by me, I acknowledge they exist with a "Hey", or a "How's it going" or at least a nod.


A lot of People have worked in a similar place at one point in their lives. And greeting customers just seems like something every store tries to teach every employee they hire. To be fair, I've never been to NYC and at best I might spend a total of 2 weeks a year walking in a larger city, but the whole "he said 'what's up' to me, he wants to sleep with me" thing just seems goofy to me.

The actual catcalls and the dude that was right up on her, that's different.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Which is funny because when my mom ACTUALLY died i felt all alone in the world and wished somebody else cared. I guess it's different for different people though even if some compare hypothetical to actual situations.

Yes, exactly. It's different for different people. So let's look at the pros and cons of telling someone to smile:

+ Makes you feel better knowing that you tried to get rid of that thing you don't like seeing.
+ Person you think is pretty looks prettier if they obey you.
+ Small chance of making the person you're talking to feel better.

- Might make someone who is already unhappy about something even less happy.
- Probably won't accomplish anything because hearing someone say "be happy" doesn't magically make problems go away.

So why exactly is it appropriate to take the chance of making someone unhappy just to satisfy your need to say something, or to treat them like a decoration whose own mood is less important than your desire to see them smile? Isn't that a pretty selfish thing to do?

Also what you're saying is somebody telling you to be happy is equal to being punched in the face. You're a rather aggressive person.

No, I didn't say that the two are equivalent. I said that if I was in the middle of dealing with a horrible tragedy and you told me "smile!" I'd want to punch you in the face. Think about it for a second, you're incredibly unhappy because of something that can't be fixed, and someone just told you "be happy" as if you can magically make that problem go away or your problems are so trivial that all you need to do is just smile a bit more. Can you really not understand how that would inspire some serious anger?

If that's the case you should make your feelings known rather than just let them simmer away until they boil over and you punch somebody in the face.

Sigh. Please go back and read my post. The face-punching thing is in reference to a rather extreme example, not just being slightly annoyed at having to talk to someone who doesn't know when to shut up.

If somebody is talking to you and they don't get the message to stop then just tell them politely to stop. After that point if they continue it's rude.

No, it's rude before that point. Why should the burden of making someone stop annoying me fall on me, instead of them having a burden to avoid annoying me in the first place?

That's one possibility or possibly you're unable to see things outside of your view which seems to state somebody talking to you is always being selfish. It's also rather funny you say it in such a nasty way.

In one case a guy asked for help and seeing the desperation in his eyes and how he was unable to help himself i helped him. I helped because nobody would lift a finger to help him. Is that selfish? In fact i didn't want to help him and only did so because he needed the help and thanked me afterwards. In the case of somebody looking depressed perhaps they do want help. Perhaps you're being selfish thinking your way is the only sensible way to do things when other people may have totally sensible ways that work differently from you and your system.

But hey we're all selfish at some point and it's not always a bad thing. If we weren't selfish at least a little we'd never attend to our wants and needs in a way we desire to the most. Honestly i find it weirder you find supposed selflessness to be selfish. Wouldn't it be more selfish to see somebody looking hurt and sad and not to do something to help ease their pain? Perhaps you don't understand why somebody would want to help somebody else. Perhaps it is a little selfish but big deal as wouldn't it be more selfish to not help somebody. I dunno and i probably shouldn't jump to conclusions.

You shouldn't punch somebody 'telling somebody to smile' in most cases whether their family died or not. It's not like they peed on your family's grave or had something to do with it. At most you could yell at them but punching is extreme.

How do they know it's rude unless they believe exactly the way you think?

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Anyway i see this moving on to an argument and i'm rather not in the mood for it which is why i normally stay out of off-topic threads. I guess i started it though. Either way i'm done.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I don't get why people single out feminism for that. All large movements have nutjobs.

Some muslims would kill me for who I am and what I do. I don't take that into account when I meet a muslim in the street, or debate with one on a forum.

Not sure about where you live, but in America, being a feminist and saying "All men are filthy pigs who deserves to die!" is perfectly acceptable in most circumstances. If a Muslim said "All Christians deserve to die!" it would not be tolerated at all.

Also, I don't have a problem with feminists, I actually like what the movement used to be. The problem is nowadays its a pretty even split of normal feminist and crazy mysandric zealot. The same can not be said of Islam, and I'd argue it's more or a 75%/25% split or probably less in terms of normal person and crazy zealot.

If that is true, then I suspect it is something to do with nations.

I have been an LGBT activist and active feminist for ages, and I have never seen any 'nutjob'-type feminists in real life. In fact, 95% of the times I've seen those 'nutjobs' be mentioned at all have been on Dakka...

 Ashiraya wrote:
I don't get why people single out feminism for that. All large movements have nutjobs.

Some muslims would kill me for who I am and what I do. I don't take that into account when I meet a muslim in the street, or debate with one on a forum.

here, i give you internet cookie.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
IWouldn't it be more selfish to see somebody looking hurt and sad and not to do something to help ease their pain?

And the point you keep missing is that telling someone to smile is not helping. At best it's a meaningless statement since "just be happy" isn't a magic solution unless your problems are incredibly superficial, and at worst it's a completely unnecessary poke at someone who is already vulnerable and unhappy. It's very likely that the person you're saying it to is going to feel like you're dismissing their bad mood as something they can just decide to stop worrying about, or reminding them about the social obligation to keep your problems to yourself and how they're failing to put up the required appearance of being happy. And it's pretty arrogant of you to decide that your desire to "help" is more important than the risk of your "help" actually making things worse.

Also, as Ouze pointed out, it says a lot that you specifically mentioned saying this to pretty members of the opposite sex. That isn't genuine concern for your fellow humans, it's a selfish desire to make your objects of interest be more attractive to you.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I have been an LGBT activist and active feminist for ages, and I have never seen any 'nutjob'-type feminist in real life. In fact, 95% of the times I've seen those 'nutjobs' be mentioned at all have been on Dakka...

Confirming this. The only time I've seen these "extremist" feminists has been when someone online posted a link to them to laugh about how stupid they are.

 whembly wrote:

Nope, because I don't *fit* in the usual stereotype that participates in catcalling.

And what stereotype is that?

 dogma wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Nope, because I don't *fit* in the usual stereotype that participates in catcalling.

And what stereotype is that?

Catcalling is one of those male mating dances that appears to be mostly race/culture-specific... that is, old school italians, inner-city blacks and latinos love it, and their women might very well enjoy it and even occasionally reward it. These guys will also catcall white women, but mostly because they don’t understand that white women generally don’t vibe with that style of machismo.

In fact, I remember reading this big ass study about this a couple of years ago that this is predominately a latino thing now (Central/South American)... it's title was something like "The dying art of seduction" or some crap like that.

Besides, the original video's methodology seems very suspect.

*shrugs*

 whembly wrote:
Besides, the original video's methodology seems very suspect.

Agreed, I think 10 hours of footage is enough to build up any narrative.

Well...if a video is taken in a specific place, at a specific time, with specific clothing and a specific route, then how much of this is actually representative?

I think the entire offensive thing about the video is that for any person, someone trying too hard to get your attention is off-putting.
Nothing makes you more uncomfortable (or make your "skin crawl") when there is this hint of desperation to get into your "space".

"No communication" is rather cold and I dare say cowardice in dealing with others.
A kind word with a laid-back attitude should only elevate a day not detract.

Now, the exception is to at least be aware of clues of those not being receptive to unsolicited conversation.
I already went through the clothing elements, eyes straight ahead and a frown would be a bit of a warning.

Harass: subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation.
"Smile" as a demand, "say thank-you" as a demand, pressure out of guilt to like an "ugly" guy, yes, there was some harassment.
I guess the other means of communication would depend on the recipient of how intimidated they feel.

All you can do as an individual is try to figure out how to "reward" behavior you like, discourage behavior you do not and how to convey to others your wishes visibly.

We have laws to deal with the extreme elements of harassment, the rest is up to you on how to deal with it: take an active role and stop the griping for a magic fix.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I have been an LGBT activist and active feminist for ages, and I have never seen any 'nutjob'-type feminist in real life. In fact, 95% of the times I've seen those 'nutjobs' be mentioned at all have been on Dakka...

Confirming this. The only time I've seen these "extremist" feminists has been when someone online posted a link to them to laugh about how stupid they are.

Good thing that both of your personal experiences posted on dakka are totally legit, while everyone elses experiences posted on dakka is not worth listening too.... good thing we can assume you two tell the truth, and assume the other people on dakka saying the opposite are just liars i guess.

Plenty of people who have actually attended various feminist functions do see this stuff all the time,


There were *multiple* videos posted showing societies reaction to men being physically abused in public, and having their drinks poisoned, with reactions vs when it was done to men and vs women, the men were left to be beaten and poisoned, the women were assisted. there were also multiple videos of men suffering the same street attention as women.

Next youll say all those vids where men are the victim, are just calling out the fringe examples, and can be safely ignored.

Our culture wont protect its men, it will protect its women and even keep laws that favor women on the books, yet somehow, society is women hating as a whole.
For some reason we should care about women receiving attention on the streets, but not men receiving attention on the streets.

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