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 Ashiraya wrote:
...Yeah, the 'patriarchy lol misogyny XD' gakposting is getting a tad stale now.

 Ouze wrote:
No idea how it works overseas.

In Sweden it is generally pretty safe to help out people on the street. People are pretty safe in general if what I am told of the US here on Dakka is true. There's probably different social expectations at play, though I do feel that it's slowly getting worse here in that regard.

Isn't Sweden in general a pretty nice place though? Like, if memory serves me even their rape statistics are higher or something (I could be wrong but I can almost swear that such is the case for both males and females).

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
...Yeah, the 'patriarchy lol misogyny XD' gakposting is getting a tad stale now.

 Ouze wrote:
No idea how it works overseas.

In Sweden it is generally pretty safe to help out people on the street. People are pretty safe in general if what I am told of the US here on Dakka is true. There's probably different social expectations at play, though I do feel that it's slowly getting worse here in that regard.

Isn't Sweden in general a pretty nice place though? Like, if memory serves me even their rape statistics are higher or something (I could be wrong but I can almost swear that such is the case for both males and females).

We came in second (IIRC) in some statistics of reported rapes, which prompted the xenophobic nutters in Sweden to start ranting about how it's all the immigrant's fault. Considering the chronic underreporting of rape it's rather likely that it's due to a higher frequency of reporting.

 Slarg232 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
...Yeah, the 'patriarchy lol misogyny XD' gakposting is getting a tad stale now

It's balancing the "ERMAHGERD PATRIARCHY EVERYWHEREZ" out.

You know, the only one of those two things I've seen on Dakka is people mocking the idea of patriarchy in posts that contain nothing else.

Regardless, how did we go from discussing whether 1 in 5 women were sexually harrassed or not to suddenly arguing about men being abused? That's some strong whataboutism going on there.

Because you cannot have a discussion about equality without talking about how both (or all) sides are unequal?

sure you can, it has been explicitly stated in this thread

 Kilkrazy wrote:


The thread is about harassment of women.

You can't discuss harassment of women by discussing harassment of men.

You can't excuse harassment of women by pointing out that men can get harassed.

When you do this, you create the impression that you don't want to engage with the subject. Why not? Presumably because you think it is all right to harass women, or maybe you don't believe it happens, though apparently you believe that harassment of men happens and is unacceptable.

, that discussing anything other then how women are harassed by men is not welcome to the conversation,

IE: if the topic includes whether or not all the men were *actually* harassing anyone in the first place, then you can only talk about how harrassing they are. Any talk about how its not harassment is not welcome.

so sure, you can go ahead and have a conversation where you can only talk about one side of the issue, much in the same way you can have a room that you only allow people with one viewpoint into, while excluding other viewpoints, and end up with a room of people talking nonetheless.


It just doent make the conversation fair, balanced, or representative of reality when you take a two sided issue and only allow one side to be discussed.


that one side constantly seems to find it *acceptable* to omit the other side completely in these kinds of issues, does reinforce tho whole "Shut up, man up, get over it" approach to mens issues, and the "this is EVERYONES problem" approach to womens issues.

Complains about honesty in the discussion, strawmans Killkrazy's post. Is there a square for that on the Dakka bingo?

KK's post was a giant strawman to begin with.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Complains about honesty in the discussion, strawmans Killkrazy's post. Is there a square for that on the Dakka bingo?

your calling my observation of a double standard a "strawman" is itself a strawman.

Its a valid point to make, the OP video alleges that *ALL* the mens actions in it were harassment,

not to meantion KK's suggestion that the only reason I could have for saying its not harassment to say Hi to woman is because I am ok with all actual harassment is itself a straw-man.

talking about how its not harassment at all to say hi to women on the street has been explicitly out lined as an unwelcome in a thread about a video that accuses all men who talk to women in the street as being harassing.

If you cannot see the double standard there, I cannot help you.

Thanks lord_blackfang and Ouze for pointing out the studies

Quick question though - why is the CDC (Center for Disease Control) making reports about sexual violence? Isn't that a bit outside of their jurisdiction? I thought they mainly dealt with, well, diseases. Unless sexual violence has been classified as a disease now, which wouldn't surprise me.

I'm not discounting their findings, I haven't even looked at them yet, I'm just vaguely confused why they'd make this report.

 easysauce wrote:

Spoiler:

 Smacks wrote:


I think the real joke is men saying that women are overreacting, and going on about "crazy misandrist feminists". As much as I hate to generalize, men are much more prone to the violent type of overreaction than women are (bombs, genocide etc...), if men experienced half the gak that women put up with on a daily basis then they would be the most extreme, crazy, man-hating, bitches ever. I think I've lost count of all the times I've heard men blurt out phrases like "put them all on an island" or "bullet in the head" when discussing people they don't like. In comparison I think women take it on the chin quite well. Men really need to shut up about that.

first of all, to any woman ever, who experienced legitimate harassment, DO NOT TAKE IT ON THE CHIN... report, record, and prosecute actual instances of it.

That being said,


as we see here, women are allowed to generalize men as being more violent, despite for every alleged instance of men saying every woman should be on an island, there is a woman saying comparable things about men.

despite this claim being false, many will just accept it at face value, because we are culturally engineered to aggree that men are snakes snails and puppy dog tails, while women are sugar, spice and everything nice (even as children, the bad man good woman trope is reinforced)



In this very thread, men who brought up women who called for male genocide or castration, were laughed at and its "obviously only the outliers of women who say that" but when the opposite statement is made, its accepted as true and acceptable to the general public reading it.

The last part is especially true, "Men really need to shut up about that." men are told to shut up about everything, to suffer in silence, to man up....

got raped?
got abused by a woman domestically?
got half your lifes savings taken from you by someone who abused your trust in marriage?
SHUT UP, MAN UP, AND GET OVER IT!

unless its a teacher raping a boy, then its "awesome" or "nice"

Just look at the DV hotline statistics,

A large proportion of those who sought help from DV agencies (49.9%), DV hotlines (63.9%), or online resources (42.9%) were told, “We only help women.” Of the 132 men who sought help from a DV agency, 44.1% (n=86) said that this resource was not at all helpful; further, 95.3% of those men (n=81) said that they were given the impression that the agency was biased against men. Some of the men were accused of being the batterer in the relationship: This happened to men seeking help from DV agencies (40.2%), DV hotlines (32.2%) and online resources (18.9%). Over 25% of those using an online resource reported that they were given a phone number for help which turned out to be the number for a batterer’s program. The results from the open-ended questions showed that 16.4% of the men who contacted a hotline reported that the staff made fun them, as did 15.2% of the men who contacted local DV agencies.

not only, are men NOT WELCOME to call in for help at all in 50-60% of the resources, 25% of those who called in to get help with domestic violence, were told to call a # that can help them stop being perpetrators of domestic violence.

You know what? You are right, gender roles and expectations sucks for everyone both men and women.
Now the solution to this is not to just state it is gakky for everyone and therefore we do not need to do anything about it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As long as people keep talking about it unironically as if it were a real conspiracy/great power hovering above us all, mocking it will never get stale.

Come on. Pretending that you would stop mocking stuff if that required you to build a strawman is just taking us for fools.

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:
Thanks lord_blackfang and Ouze for pointing out the studies

Quick question though - why is the CDC (Center for Disease Control) making reports about sexual violence? Isn't that a bit outside of their jurisdiction? I thought they mainly dealt with, well, diseases. Unless sexual violence has been classified as a disease now, which wouldn't surprise me.

I'm not discounting their findings, I haven't even looked at them yet, I'm just vaguely confused why they'd make this report.

Same reason why they researched gun death in the US.

Politics.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

You know what? You are right, gender roles and expectations sucks for everyone both men and women.
Now the solution to this is not to just state it is gakky for everyone and therefore we do not need to do anything about it.

well, the solutions a bit more complex then that, especially when we have videos like in the OP where the majority of "harassment" wasn't actual harassment,

I agree of course, the fact that men are systemically discriminated against for being men doesn't change/justify/ect the fact that woman still have to deal with it as well.

BUT, when talking about any "solution" to harassment,

if the idea is to stop all harassment, then bringing up any form of harassment would be ok,

if the idea is only to stop harassment of women, then I would expect bringing up harassment of other groups to be excluded.

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:
Quick question though - why is the CDC (Center for Disease Control) making reports about sexual violence?

Because it is responsible for public health (including injury).

 easysauce wrote:
well, the solutions a bit more complex then that, especially when we have videos like in the OP where the majority of "harassment" wasn't actual harassment,

I am pretty sure if men and women alike had to deal with them, we would be able to have a better discussion on the subject of whether or not it is harassment, really.

People can say hello/greet me any day when I'm walking down the street (and has happened) -_-

Then clearly, Sining, you've just internalised your harassment.

I also say good morning to the cleaning staff in the hotels I stay in as well; who sometimes happen to be female. Clearly I am a harasser -_-

 easysauce wrote:
first of all, to any woman ever, who experienced legitimate harassment, DO NOT TAKE IT ON THE CHIN... report, record, and prosecute actual instances of it.

When you say "legitimate harassment" I can't help hearing "true Scotsman". A woman shouldn't have to wait for harassment to escalate to something illegal before she can respond to it, all the while letting wave after wave of minor stuff erode her self confidence. The best way to stop harassment is to educate people about it. That is what the video does, it shows men that women get hit on all the time, that it's the same tired lines over and over, and they might even be fed up with it.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't hit on women ever, but at least now you're better informed. If the women in walking fast, avoiding eye contact -- she probably doesn't want to talk.

as we see here, women are allowed to generalize men as being more violent, despite for every alleged instance of men saying every woman should be on an island, there is a woman saying comparable things about men.

despite this claim being false, many will just accept it at face value, because we are culturally engineered to aggree that men are snakes snails and puppy dog tails, while women are sugar, spice and everything nice (even as children, the bad man good woman trope is reinforced)

Spoiler:

In this very thread, men who brought up women who called for male genocide or castration, were laughed at and its "obviously only the outliers of women who say that" but when the opposite statement is made, its accepted as true and acceptable to the general public reading it.

Well that's BS. I can think of a number of occasions when a girl has laid into me with a volley of punches. I usually just wait for it to stop and pretend it didn't hurt. Once I even knew a girl who did it too much, every time someone would make a joke about her she would get angry and start lashing out. It actually got quite 'annoying' after a while. Eventually after much arguing about it, she did it once too often and I hit her back (just once). Then it never happened again, because ultimately being hit by a guy is a completely different experience. When a man thumps you, you can't just pretend it didn't hurt.

Having a wife that throws slappy tantrums, and having a husband that batters you are not equivalent. If you want to compare tendency towards violence, take a look at violent crime stats.

The last part is especially true, "Men really need to shut up about that." men are told to shut up about everything, to suffer in silence, to man up....

got raped?
got abused by a woman domestically?
got half your lifes savings taken from you by someone who abused your trust in marriage?
SHUT UP, MAN UP, AND GET OVER IT!

Well now you've made the discussion about something else. In your examples, who is it that is telling these abused men to "shut up and man up" -- it's mostly other men -- probably the same men who are telling women to quit bitching. That just proves my point because those are the men I was saying need to shut up, not people who are abused. Those guys aren't 'suffering in silence' they aren't suffering at all, they're just swaggering around invalidating other people's problems. Men shouldn't have to suffer, and neither should women. Both should be taken seriously. But whenever there is a discussion about the treatment of women, it always gets sidetracked with "what about men's rights?", which is honestly off topic, along with animal rights and gun right and copyrights. Women getting more respect doesn't mean there is going to be less available for men, or animals. That's just stupidity.

 Smacks wrote:

Well that's BS. I can think of a number of occasions when a girl has laid into me with a volley of punches. I usually just wait for it to stop and pretend it didn't hurt. Once I even knew a girl who did it too much, every time someone would make a joke about her she would get angry and start lashing out. It actually got quite 'annoying' after a while. Eventually after much arguing about it, she did it once too often and I hit her back (just once). Then it never happened again, because ultimately being hit by a guy is a completely different experience. When a man thumps you, you can't just pretend it didn't hurt.

That's just really really really unstable behaviour. The girls I mean. I'd be rather horrified if someone felt this was appropriate behaviour and didn't have a screw loose

 whembly wrote:
Same reason why they researched gun death in the US.

Politics.

I guess that could fall under lead poisoning

 Manchu wrote:
Because it is responsible for public health (including injury).

That's a very large, ill-defined umbrella. Bureaucracy in a nutshell I guess

 Smacks wrote:
[Well that's BS. I can think of a number of occasions when a girl has laid into me with a volley of punches. I usually just wait for it to stop and pretend it didn't hurt. Once I even knew a girl who did it too much, every time someone would make a joke about her she would get angry and start lashing out. It actually got quite 'annoying' after a while. Eventually after much arguing about it, she did it once too often and I hit her back (just once). Then it never happened again, because ultimately being hit by a guy is a completely different experience. When a man thumps you, you can't just pretend it didn't hurt.

Having a wife that throws slappy tantrums, and having a husband that batters you are not equivalent. If you want to compare tendency towards violence, take a look at violent crime stats.

If this wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious. You do realize there a LARGE number of domestic violence cases that go unreported, because the males are the victims? Also, guess what? It shouldn't matter if you're male, female, or trans. You don't hit someone else because you're emotional and don't know how to use words. Even if it "doesn't hurt", guess what? It's still abuse. Besides, what if one day it isn't just slaps, and she hits you with a frying pan?

 Smacks wrote:
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When you say "legitimate harassment" I can't help hearing "true Scotsman". A woman shouldn't have to wait for harassment to escalate to something illegal before she can respond to it, all the while letting wave after wave of minor stuff erode her self confidence. The best way to stop harassment is to educate people about it. That is what the video does, it shows men that women get hit on all the time, that it's the same tired lines over and over, and they might even be fed up with it.

Saying "Good Day" is not harassment, nor is it "hitting on" the person you're greeting. A "legitimate harassment" would be if I were "greeting" women with "hey baby, how's it goin?" or "ohh mama, you fiiiiiine"

See the difference? If not, well then, I guess there's just no help for some people.


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 jreilly89 wrote:


If this wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious. You do realize there a LARGE number of domestic violence cases that go unreported, because the males are the victims? Also, guess what? It shouldn't matter if you're male, female, or trans. You don't hit someone else because you're emotional and don't know how to use words. Even if it "doesn't hurt", guess what? It's still abuse. Besides, what if one day it isn't just slaps, and she hits you with a frying pan?

Speaking of.... There was a coworker of mine while I was at Fort Carson who lived next door to the most notorious couple in on-base housing So, he and his wife move into their apartment, and everythings cool for the first 3-4 weeks. During one of the weekends after that month or so, they hear a fight raging through the walls next door (and those walls were for all intents and purposes, bomb proof and sound proof), once they heard a crashing noise, they decided to call the MPs. The MPs took down the address, and while they were on the line the desk Sgt basically say "ohh, you live next door to Mike? (or whatever the guys' first name was, I dont recall), ehh, they'll be fine"

Thing was, the guy was Puerto Rican (the fiery kind) and he was married to a Korean lady (the fiery kind) and when they fought, they really fought (not physically).... yelling, screaming, pots and pans, and plates flying about the house. Apparently this was often enough that the MPs got tired of answering the call because neither would press charges, and they never actually threw anything AT each other, the objects that were heaved about ended up being thrown at least 90 degrees away from the other party

So, long story short, my buddy lived there for about 2 years, and told me it was usually every 2-3 months this sort of fight would happen, but beyond those instances, the couple were the greatest friends anyone could ask for

 Smacks wrote:


Having a wife that throws slappy tantrums, and having a husband that batters you are not equivalent. If you want to compare tendency towards violence, take a look at violent crime stats.

The last part is especially true, "Men really need to shut up about that." men are told to shut up about everything, to suffer in silence, to man up....

who is it that is telling these abused men to "shut up and man up" -- it's mostly other men --

Convenient that its all mens fault I guess?

So when women are violent its just a "slappy tantrum" vs a battered woman when men do it?

Believe it or not, a womans fist still damages a man, It can hold a knife just as well, and 70 percent of non reciprocating violent domestic incidents are initiated by women according to the CDC.


Anything a man can do, a woman can do better, and in high heels. Unless its something bad, then shes not capable of doing it?

Im a victim of DV, and the only thing scarier then realizing that a tiny 100 pound girl can do serious damage to you if she wants to, especially if shoes/statues/vases happen to be close at hand, when you cant hit back or defend yourself, is knowing that no one will believe you if she tells them you hit her, even if you dont.

The assumption is always *always* that the man started it or deserved it, and is a wife beater, while woman are incapable of such things. Your statement that women just have slappy tantrums while men batter wives is a trope that reinforces this unfortunately.

This is despite the CDC finding that 70% of non reciprocal instances of domestic violence were initiated by women.


The fact is, in my examples, its not just "other men" who are treating men like this, it is *the very people hired, paid, and trained to help these men* who are systemically not only NOT helping the people they are supposed to, but actively blaming them:



If you are going to trivialize *actual* violence as "slappy tantrums" while sensationalizing non harassment like "saying hi to someone" as harassment, then something is off.


Calling "HI" and "SMILE" harassment trivializes actual harassment, and I stick by that.

and since you brought up statistics,
Ill leave you with this

"More men than women were victims of intimate partner physical violence within the past year, according to a national study funded by the Centers for Disease Control and U.S. Department of Justice. According to the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (hereinafter NISVS) released in December, 2011, within the last 12 months an estimated 5,365,000 men and 4,741,000 women were victims of intimate partner physical violence. (Black, M.C. et al., 2011, Tables 4.1 and 4.2)"



and specific to your "slappy tantrums" being harmless, well, thats not true either, its a very significant # of men who are hurt badly.

"The NISVS 2011 survey reports that in the last 12 months, 41.7% of the victims of severe physical violence were men. (Tables 4.7 and 4.8) Of the 4,741,000 female victims of violence, two-thirds (3,163,000 or 66.7%) were subjected to severe physical violence. (Table 4.7) For men, over 4 out of 10 (2,266,000 or 42.3%) were subjected to severe physical violence. The number of men is smaller, but that is still 2.26 million men."


also we see some disparity between who gets access to shelters, note that they can fit more pets in per square foot, so serve more clients.



from http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf

 easysauce wrote:
Anything a man can do, a woman can do better, and in high heels. Unless its something bad, then shes not capable of doing it?

Like perhaps running the four minute mile? Which is now the standard of all male professional middle distance runners. Not female runners though because no woman has ever managed it (in or out of heels).

If you are going to trivialize *actual* violence as "slappy tantrums"

I'm not trivializing *actual* violence. I'm just pointing out that the "violence" in your studies is poorly defined. There aught to be some distinction between a slap and a blow that might put you in hospital, but it's impossible to tell which it is from your graphs. Fortunately for me there are other studies which show that men do in fact inflict more injuries, and the majority of those injured by a partner were women.

A Department of Justice study found that 90% of homicides are committed by men. I think that's my point made. Men are far more likely to overreact to the point of maiming or killing someone, so men accusing women of overreacting is laughable.

I believe you that women sometimes hurt men too, but it isn't something I ever doubted. Men being discriminated against by shelters it sad, but again, it's kind of off topic.

So when women are violent its just a "slappy tantrum" vs a battered woman when men do it?

In fact, yes -- 68% of the time.

 Smacks wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
Anything a man can do, a woman can do better, and in high heels. Unless its something bad, then shes not capable of doing it?

Like perhaps running the four minute mile? Which is now the standard of all male professional middle distance runners. Not female runners though because no woman has ever managed it (in or out of heels).

So on the topic of stopping harassing behavior and supporting equality, you're now claiming women CAN'T do everything a man can do? Please, pick a stance.

If you are going to trivialize *actual* violence as "slappy tantrums"

I'm not trivializing *actual* violence. I'm just pointing out that the "violence" in your studies is poorly defined. There aught to be some distinction between a slap and a blow that might put you in hospital, but it's impossible to tell which is which it is from your graphs. Fortunately for me there are other studies which show that men do in fact inflict more injuries, and the majority of those injured by a partner were women.

A Department of Justice study found that 90% of homicides are committed by men. I think that's my point made. Men are far more likely to overreact to the point of maiming or killing someone, so men accusing women of overreacting is laughable.

I believe you that women sometimes hurt men too, but it isn't something I ever doubted. Men being discriminated against by shelters it sad, but again, it's kind of off topic.

Okay, and how many of those homicides were male on male? Also, how is "violence" poorly defined? If its bad enough to be reported, its probably at least a black eye. But hey, I just slapped my wife, I didn't put her in the hospital, so I'm okay, right?

Finally, again, yes, there are reports that men inflict more injuries than women, but again, how many of those women on men attacks go unreported?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
KK's post was a giant strawman to begin with.

Also, he's rather one-sided in discussions like this one, so I don't know if he's the right mod for the job.

 jreilly89 wrote:
So on the topic of stopping harassing behavior and supporting equality, you're now claiming women CAN'T do everything a man can do? Please, pick a stance.

Why? Are you only able to understand issues in terms of two 'all or nothing' sides? I didn't say women shouldn't be allowed to try and run a mile in four minutes, just that one hasn't succeeded yet. It appears that women might have a physical disadvantage in some sports. But that goes without saying, I'm sure if women were bigger and stronger than everyone else, we wouldn't be arguing about their rights.

Okay, and how many of those homicides were male on male?

It doesn't matter. The question was who is more prone to a violent overreaction. The object of the violence is irrelevant.

Also, how is "violence" poorly defined? If its bad enough to be reported, its probably at least a black eye.

That is just you speculating. But the Archer 2000 study would contradict that idea. More men reported "violence" but only 32% of those that were injured were men. Which means that the majority of men were not injured. A black eye sounds like an injury.

But hey, I just slapped my wife, I didn't put her in the hospital, so I'm okay, right?

So when you can't defend one point, just jump over to another huh? No one said violence was okay.

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:

Quick question though - why is the CDC (Center for Disease Control) making reports about sexual violence? Isn't that a bit outside of their jurisdiction? I thought they mainly dealt with, well, diseases. Unless sexual violence has been classified as a disease now, which wouldn't surprise me.

It deals with Public Health in general, which includes all forms of diseases as well as injuries and other health related statistics. The actual name of the agency is the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (although they kept the CDC initials because that's what people know), and it's the prevention part that often deals with stuff like sexual violence and other forms of assault. The Sexual Assault itself might not be an "illness" but the results of the assault and the effects they have on the victim can result in permanent injuries and disabilities (both physical and psychological).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
...Yeah, the 'patriarchy lol misogyny XD' gakposting is getting a tad stale now.

As long as people keep talking about it unironically as if it were a real conspiracy/great power hovering above us all, mocking it will never get stale.

Until I see someone actually do that on Dakka instead of someone linking a vague youtube video, blog or twitter account that has no relevance at all to the subject at hand, 'patriarchy lel' ''''''''''''''''''banter'''''''''''''''''' is something I'd consider pointless at best and trolling at worst.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Smacks wrote:
[Well that's BS. I can think of a number of occasions when a girl has laid into me with a volley of punches. I usually just wait for it to stop and pretend it didn't hurt. Once I even knew a girl who did it too much, every time someone would make a joke about her she would get angry and start lashing out. It actually got quite 'annoying' after a while. Eventually after much arguing about it, she did it once too often and I hit her back (just once). Then it never happened again, because ultimately being hit by a guy is a completely different experience. When a man thumps you, you can't just pretend it didn't hurt.

Having a wife that throws slappy tantrums, and having a husband that batters you are not equivalent. If you want to compare tendency towards violence, take a look at violent crime stats.

If this wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious. You do realize there a LARGE number of domestic violence cases that go unreported, because the males are the victims? Also, guess what? It shouldn't matter if you're male, female, or trans. You don't hit someone else because you're emotional and don't know how to use words. Even if it "doesn't hurt", guess what? It's still abuse. Besides, what if one day it isn't just slaps, and she hits you with a frying pan?

Violence should not be tolerated.

 Frazzled wrote:

Violence should not be tolerated.

Precisely.


Case in point, one of the soldiers in my unit (the same one from another thread who wouldn't pay bills and instead bought vidya games and smokes) was apparently being beaten by his wife. No one believed him until, one evening, when they got into their usual fight, he did the right thing and got out of his apartment onto the common grass area of the on-post housing, which is wife followed him, and proceeded to beat him in front of everyone. The irony is that the MPs who showed up STILL tried to arrest him, until about 3 or 4 of his neighbors came directly up to the officers and told them that he had basically stood at attention and took the entire beating and did nothing, not even to defend himself. It was only then that the MPs took her away.

Women are human beings, subject to poor judgment and emotional control issues that entails.

Looking at women being equal to males would entail allowing for them to be equally capable to men in behavior and performance.

I have a narcissistic mother, abuse was exquisitely performed in so many ways that I cannot underestimate female capability.
I have witnessed a friend of mine "accidentally" stabbed in the guts with a steak knife by his wife.
I saw after two guys fighting, the winner's girlfriend start stomping on the loser's head with high-heel shoes.

I have witnessed equally horrific things done by men.

The fallacy is thinking that "harassment" or violence in general is more a gender problem than part of the human condition.
Prejudices exercised by those who administer help programs or the police can bias the statistics we like to use to determine the bias of the problem; rather self fulfilling.

Look at the facts, help the victimized, punish the ill behaved.
I REFUSE to look at women as victims and feel men looking at them as victims is root-cause for many of their problems (as well as problems for men required to "man-up" or falsely accused).