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I never served, so I don't know exactly how it feels to see someone wear the uniform and act as if they are a active service member. It's a dick thing to do and seems to be occurring a lot lately in the past couple of years.
Dressing as an active service member is pretty pathetic. Going to all the trouble of filming and uploading a video of you "getting" someone for doing something mildly sleazy but ultimately harmless is also pretty pathetic.
"If I was a phony, I woulnt be wearing this uniform"
I cracked up at that.
Although, I have to question why, video tape in the middle of the mall, call someone out with your kid there.
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Rusty Trombone wrote: I couldn't bear watching the whole video. Dang...the only clue you need to tell you he's a fraud is his soggy middle. Seriously...Rangers ain't fat.
I remember someone telling me, when you come back from active service, your body goes to hell, you are eating more and not doing the crazy exercise stuff you where doing before.
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Rusty Trombone wrote: I couldn't bear watching the whole video. Dang...the only clue you need to tell you he's a fraud is his soggy middle. Seriously...Rangers ain't fat.
I remember someone telling me, when you come back from active service, your body goes to hell, you are eating more and not doing the crazy exercise stuff you where doing before.
Yeah, everyone usually gains a few pounds after they separate, but this guy claims to be an active ranger. AFAIK infantry in general and Rangers in particular do nothing but PT all the freaking time, and none of the ones I ever met would be caught dead that fluffy or that jacked up.
Jimsolo wrote: Dressing as an active service member is pretty pathetic. Going to all the trouble of filming and uploading a video of you "getting" someone for doing something mildly sleazy but ultimately harmless is also pretty pathetic.
I'm not a lawyer but If he asked for and received a veteran/military discount and is not actually a military member or veteran, as seems to be the case, I believe he could and should be prosecuted for fraud under Pennsylvania's criminal code Title 18, Chapter 41 § 4120.
I argued that Stolen Valor was unconstitutional and still believe it was but once you cross the line from playing dress-up to actually getting things to which you are not entitled you have gone too far. As a former member of the Marine Core Seal-Snipers, there is nothing more irritating than fakes like this to me.
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Jimsolo wrote: Dressing as an active service member is pretty pathetic. Going to all the trouble of filming and uploading a video of you "getting" someone for doing something mildly sleazy but ultimately harmless is also pretty pathetic.
If I recall correctly he was trying to derive financial benefit from wearing the uniform in the form of discounts, which while not entirely harmless, is pretty innocuous.
However, he didn't earn the privilege to wear the uniform and doesn't have to bear any of the responsibilities that go with wearing it. And some folks that have had to go to bad places and do bad things don't particularly appreciate Jody McFattycakes there parading around in the same uniform because he wants everybody to thank him and give him 10% off.
I think a fine thing to do would be to sentence people like this to actual Ranger or SEAL training with no dropping out allowed.
At any point they screw up, they get dropped back to day one
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But then they would have a work ethic and have a generally healthier lifestyle at the end of it, you are supposed to punish people for breaking the law, not rewarding them .
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Ouze wrote: I'm not a lawyer but If he asked for and received a veteran/military discount and is not actually a military member or veteran, as seems to be the case, I believe he could and should be prosecuted for fraud under Pennsylvania's criminal code Title 18, Chapter 41 § 4120.
I argued that Stolen Valor was unconstitutional and still believe it was but once you cross the line from playing dress-up to actually getting things to which you are not entitled you have gone too far. As a former member of the Marine Core Seal-Snipers, there is nothing more irritating than fakes like this to me.
You know, i'll happily criticize the military and every government department until the cows come home, and then i'll criticize the cows too. But pretending to be one of the armed forces that puts their lives in danger on behalf of the rest of us is just a low dog act, whether he's getting something free off it or not. I'm not talking about liking wearing camo (some people do it seems) or going to a fancy dress party, impersonating the armed forces is just wrong on a level that i can't begin to express. Especially in this day and age with all the **** blowing up around the world and them having to risk their lives to try and contain it. My 2 cents.
Krellnus wrote: But then they would have a work ethic and have a generally healthier lifestyle at the end of it, you are supposed to punish people for breaking the law, not rewarding them .
Depends on culture. Some places aim to rehabilitate rather than punish. Better to end up with a fixed member of society than give a broken one a vendetta, right?
Question for those in the know. Obviously, anybody can wear a uniform, but can you wear the uniform with regimental/divisional insignia and not be prosecuted? Obviously, claiming benefits fraudulently is a crime but if I were walking around dressed as 5 star general, is it a crime?
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Question for those in the know. Obviously, anybody can wear a uniform, but can you wear the uniform with regimental/divisional insignia and not be prosecuted? Obviously, claiming benefits fraudulently is a crime but if I were walking around dressed as 5 star general, is it a crime?
In the US it is lawful to wear the uniform, rank, and awards of any branch of the armed forces and even to to represent yourself as the same. If you want to pretend to be a Brigadier General or one of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, you're free to do so unless you attempt to gain something of tangible value from doing so.
There was previously special protection afforded to the Medal of Honor, which was then expanded with the Stolen Valor act, all of which was found unconstitutional a few years ago.
On a tangentially related note, it is unlawful to represent yourself as a (civilian) law enforcement officer.
On another tangential note, you mention specifically "regimental/divisional insignia". The US government generally cannot own copyrights to things that were produced by it's employees as part of their duties, so you also could not attempt to prosecute for copyright infringement or similar, if that is what you were thinking with that.
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Relapse wrote: I think a fine thing to do would be to sentence people like this to actual Ranger or SEAL training with no dropping out allowed.
At any point they screw up, they get dropped back to day one
It would be a huge waste of resources. Slots for those school are hard to get, especially with the budget cuts. Son2 is competing this week with a few hundred other guys for about 200 ranger school slots for the next cycle. Give some crap bag a permanent slot for RAP week would cut a deserving guy out, and be a strain on the cadre they really don't need.
If we need to punish these crap bags, make them clean bed pans at the VA hospital serving the region they live in.
That was amazing. I'm not even mad you just posted a video and no text. That was awesome.
The Ranger Up guys are fantastic. Great line of military themed shirts and stuff, and they support a lot of various veterans groups/causes. Their animated The Damn Few youtube series is hysterical, the VA hospital episode is great.
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Jimsolo wrote: Dressing as an active service member is pretty pathetic. Going to all the trouble of filming and uploading a video of you "getting" someone for doing something mildly sleazy but ultimately harmless is also pretty pathetic.
Stomping on the graves and memories of those who actually have served is anything but "mildly sleazy." These people are the scum of the earth and need to be publicly embarrassed wherever possible.
These types of public callouts are the only thing that keeps these idiots in check, now that Stolen Valor is no longer a thing. For more epic meltdowns, see Don Shipley:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Question for those in the know. Obviously, anybody can wear a uniform, but can you wear the uniform with regimental/divisional insignia and not be prosecuted? Obviously, claiming benefits fraudulently is a crime but if I were walking around dressed as 5 star general, is it a crime?
In the US it is lawful to wear the uniform, rank, and awards of any branch of the armed forces and even to to represent yourself as the same. If you want to pretend to be a Brigadier General or one of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, you're free to do so unless you attempt to gain something of tangible value from doing so.
There was previously special protection afforded to the Medal of Honor, which was then expanded with the Stolen Valor act, all of which was found unconstitutional a few years ago.
On a tangentially related note, it is unlawful to represent yourself as a (civilian) law enforcement officer.
On another tangential note, you mention specifically "regimental/divisional insignia". The US government generally cannot own copyrights to things that were produced by it's employees as part of their duties, so you also could not attempt to prosecute for copyright infringement or similar, if that is what you were thinking with that.
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I have a question for the active military and veteran guys on here:
At work I frequently run into veterans who always claim that they were all kind if things especially when they get in trouble. Sometimes it feels like I have met more Rangers than there could ever exist. They cause a scene, they run their mouth, they scream "I was special forces, I could take all of you, I have done some gak". I don't know if they don't realize that we can look up their service record and see what they actually did, but it's just weird. And the fake "I'm special forces" card gets pulled for stupid stuff: "I should get to cut in line and be seen first because I'm special forces", "I should get to scream and curse because I'm special forces".
These are not fake military guys, these are actual real veterans who do this crap. It just always baffles me to see them do that. But I was wondering how you guys felt about folks like that. Is it worse if a civilian tries to pass himself off as military or is it worse if a veteran makes up these stories?
Not trying to play the two sides against each other, but I always think "dude, you served and that's great, you made it back and many didn't, but quit bullshitting everyone".
d-usa wrote: I have a question for the active military and veteran guys on here:
At work I frequently run into veterans who always claim that they were all kind if things especially when they get in trouble. Sometimes it feels like I have met more Rangers than there could ever exist. They cause a scene, they run their mouth, they scream "I was special forces, I could take all of you, I have done some gak". I don't know if they don't realize that we can look up their service record and see what they actually did, but it's just weird. And the fake "I'm special forces" card gets pulled for stupid stuff: "I should get to cut in line and be seen first because I'm special forces", "I should get to scream and curse because I'm special forces".
These are not fake military guys, these are actual real veterans who do this crap. It just always baffles me to see them do that. But I was wondering how you guys felt about folks like that. Is it worse if a civilian tries to pass himself off as military or is it worse if a veteran makes up these stories?
Not trying to play the two sides against each other, but I always think "dude, you served and that's great, you made it back and many didn't, but quit bullshitting everyone".
Don't know and can't speak for everyone but I presume it is a case of some people simply wanting to exaggerate the danger to make themselves look/sound a bit more glamorous.
Saying that 'I went to Afghanistan and shot 1000 Taliban' sounds a lot better than 'I went to Afghanistan and was a spud jockey/pencil pusher' I guess.
Personally, I can live with it - I was a REMF and proud. My laundry went further forward than I did. The only danger I was ever in was from the RAF regiment firing in the wrong direction or a stray mortar/rocket from the locals and they were a worse shot than I was.
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Jimsolo wrote: Dressing as an active service member is pretty pathetic. Going to all the trouble of filming and uploading a video of you "getting" someone for doing something mildly sleazy but ultimately harmless is also pretty pathetic.
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Wearing a uniform you are not entitled to wear could reasonably cause offense to those who are entitled to it.
Fake veterans should get outed.
This is a principle not a dogma, so its doesn't include actors, re-enactors, educational uses or fancy dress parties etc.
But if the guy in the video wants to large it up to kids in shopping centres he should have served a tour.
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d-usa wrote: I have a question for the active military and veteran guys on here:
At work I frequently run into veterans who always claim that they were all kind if things especially when they get in trouble. Sometimes it feels like I have met more Rangers than there could ever exist. They cause a scene, they run their mouth, they scream "I was special forces, I could take all of you, I have done some gak". I don't know if they don't realize that we can look up their service record and see what they actually did, but it's just weird. And the fake "I'm special forces" card gets pulled for stupid stuff: "I should get to cut in line and be seen first because I'm special forces", "I should get to scream and curse because I'm special forces".
These are not fake military guys, these are actual real veterans who do this crap. It just always baffles me to see them do that. But I was wondering how you guys felt about folks like that. Is it worse if a civilian tries to pass himself off as military or is it worse if a veteran makes up these stories?
Not trying to play the two sides against each other, but I always think "dude, you served and that's great, you made it back and many didn't, but quit bullshitting everyone".
IMHO, civilians acting are 10x worse.
Thing with us vets is, our stories are like fish stories. The "fish" gets bigger depending on who we're talking to, and how many times we've told the story.
I don't like it when guys try to use their former rank or supposed position (SF, Ranger, etc.) in the military to, as you say, "cut in line" or what have you, but if the guy actually served, and is entitled to the services he/she is receiving then I don't really see the harm in drumming up his/her own stories.
d-usa wrote: I have a question for the active military and veteran guys on here:
At work I frequently run into veterans who always claim that they were all kind if things especially when they get in trouble. Sometimes it feels like I have met more Rangers than there could ever exist. They cause a scene, they run their mouth, they scream "I was special forces, I could take all of you, I have done some gak". I don't know if they don't realize that we can look up their service record and see what they actually did, but it's just weird. And the fake "I'm special forces" card gets pulled for stupid stuff: "I should get to cut in line and be seen first because I'm special forces", "I should get to scream and curse because I'm special forces".
These are not fake military guys, these are actual real veterans who do this crap. It just always baffles me to see them do that. But I was wondering how you guys felt about folks like that. Is it worse if a civilian tries to pass himself off as military or is it worse if a veteran makes up these stories?
Not trying to play the two sides against each other, but I always think "dude, you served and that's great, you made it back and many didn't, but quit bullshitting everyone".
Heh, don't underestimate the stupidity of soldiers, either...they're still people. A bud of mine, after a unit transfer to Hawaii, was busted for 'adjusting' his awards on...whatever...paperwork the Army lists it on. His wife told mine that. Also, there was a lot of BS after the 82d dropped in to say 'Hi' to Noriega in '89. Multiple REMFs who had pull had bumped slots for the combat jump so they could get their 'mustard stain'....(gold/yellow combat jump star). Careers were flatlined for that stunt.
So, that's active duty shenanigans, where the stakes are higher. Claiming to have killed 56 NVA and only being 32 years old has little downside and mostly an upside in civilian land.
Another thing I was thinking...back when I was in the 82d, the only...only!...time I ever wore my uniform not on duty was to visit my mother at her work. It was a retirement home, and I thought the WW2 vets would get a kick out of seeing a 'cherry' in dress greens. (The nurses oggling me was a pleasant bonus.)
Edit: Someone mentioned something about soldiers letting themselves go when not actively working? I know that happens...(I weighed between 175lb and 240lb throughout my enlistment)...but nothing short a glandular condition would explain the dough boy in that video. My weight gain was from muscle, not meatball sundaes. I think the most I ever gained from a two weeks' leave was 5ish pounds.
Edit: Someone mentioned something about soldiers letting themselves go when not actively working? I know that happens...(I weighed between 175lb and 240lb throughout my enlistment)...but nothing short a glandular condition would explain the dough boy in that video. My weight gain was from muscle, not meatball sundaes. I think the most I ever gained from a two weeks' leave was 5ish pounds.
You're making the mistake of assuming that turd was in in the first place (I'm sorry, but he's to soft in my eyes to have EVER served)
Now, since I've been out, yeah, I've put on about 10lbs. of pure fast food goodness... For all my excuses to why I haven't kept up working out, I do have a plan in place to get back on the ball (rugby season is just around the corner again), but I do know plenty of guys/gals who do just simply "let it go" and never see a gym after they're out, except when they're driving by one.
My work deals 100% with veterans, so having guys lie to try to get preferential treatment over every other vet there just seems like an extra slap in the face to their fellow veterans. So I didn't know how actual vets felt about it.
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