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 Azreal13 wrote:
Is there anything to contradict this being some sort of WD only detachment and an HQ choice being in the codex?

Let me answer your question with another question:

Are there any alternate army formations in print that don't have an HQ choice?

Are there any alternate army formations in print that have been printed in advance of the book release and may give away a hitherto unknown unit and model?


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Let me say I'm not suggesting it's likely, just looking for cause for a silver lining n

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Is there anything to contradict this being some sort of WD only detachment and an HQ choice being in the codex?

Let me answer your question with another question:

Are there any alternate army formations in print that don't have an HQ choice?

Yes. For the Necrons you have the Judicator Battalion, Canoptek Harvest, Star-God, Annihilation Nexus, Living Tomb and Deathbringer Flight. Each is a Formation which does not contain any HQ choices.

But those make up an army, they're not armies unto themselves. I mean each of those Necron formations is a unit or a collection of units that make up one part of that Decurium (or whatever its called) army. Those don't have FOC's within themselves, or do they?

This is an alternate army configuration. I'm asking if there are any others (and most armies have one by now) that doesn't include an HQ choice.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But those make up an army. Those don't have FOC's within themselves, or do they?

This is an alternate army configuration. I'm asking if there are any others (and most armies have one by now) that doesn't include an HQ choice.

They are Formations in their own right. They can be used either as part of the Decurion Detachment or on their own.

Valetine's Day present from the fiance - 1 of each new Harli release, troupe, solitaire and skyweaver. Well stoked

The implication of the Harlequin FOC is that there are no HQ choice units, or else the FOC would be intentionally excluding their addition to that detachment for some reason. I there are no HQ units, it is impossible to run Harlequins as a Combined arms or Allied Detachment, as those require HQs.

As it stands, it is mpossible to run them as a standard CADor allies.

I'm by no means convinced, but strongly suspect, that this is something designed for WD to encompass the units that have been released this far, and there's a chance that when the book lands there'll be an HQ choice, if only some sort of minor upgrade to a Troupe Master.

Either that, or GW have utterly lost all semblance of competence with regard to designing their own game, and while I'm deeply cynical about GW's competence, I'm not sure they're that far down the rabbit hole yet.

 Azreal13 wrote:
As it stands, it is mpossible to run them as a standard CADor allies.

Why not?

Because they can't meet the minimum 1 HQ choice requirment (as far as we can tell).

 whembly wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
As it stands, it is mpossible to run them as a standard CADor allies.

Why not?

As has been discussed for the last page or so, there are no HQ choices for the Harlequins.

ursvamp wrote:
Wait...
Eiluj, can you confirm whether or not there is a codex up for preorder in this upcoming WD?

It is up for preorder if you want a pic I can do it.
The cool thing is there is a Dice and a CArds pack with the old power in there where the targeted unit gets Stealth and shrouded.

The DeathJester and Shadowseer are Elite Choices just like the solitaire.


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 Azreal13 wrote:
As it stands, it is mpossible to run them as a standard CADor allies.

I'm by no means convinced, but strongly suspect, that this is something designed for WD to encompass the units that have been released this far, and there's a chance that when the book lands there'll be an HQ choice, if only some sort of minor upgrade to a Troupe Master.

Either that, or GW have utterly lost all semblance of competence with regard to designing their own game, and while I'm deeply cynical about GW's competence, I'm not sure they're that far down the rabbit hole yet.

Remember though this would be similar to The Legions of the Damned - they have their own FOC just like Inquisition. LOTD do not have an HQ slot either you just pick one of the sergeants in the squad. But that was more of a mini-dex Online deal like Sisters and Inquisition.
I would love to see a high Avatar again.

Eiluj, thank you!

Edit: Got ninja'ed

Yes, please show the preorder list


More pics of the Voidweaver were leaked

Originally Posted by Spaceraider

Just leaving this here:
http://imgur.com/a/poSEY

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7380330&viewfull=1#post7380330

Just like the solitaire? As in cannot join/ be joined by other units? Definitely not unique, right?

More stuff for you

Kinda wondering if we can expect to see a change to the regular Eldar version of the holofield (+1 Cover save if moving) to bring it into line with the new Harlequin version (5++ if not immobile).

Not sure how I'd feel about it either way.

Interesting detachment. I'm looking forward to seeing the command benefits and any formations that come in the book. Overall I like the detachment I think. Though I would have preferred one more option choice in each slot but I think it works.

Excellent, thank you so much

I foresee a lot of arguments over how to determine the Voidweaver's rear facing...

Thanks for the pics, I guess it was too much to ask for the stealth and shrouding to be primaris power. So much random...

Still excited for this release. Will be curious to see the other psychic powers and what else may be in the codex though I think it's fair to say we're probably looking at most of it.

They make mention of more psychic powers, one that makes them really hard to hit is CC, another that makes the enemies hallucinate or fearfull. We shall have to see. I wish on the dice the symbols would be the '6' side.

This is... what the... I don't even...

"A typical Masque might include one Shadowseer and Death Jester per Troupe..."

But if they attach like characters, then the Troupe can't possibly fit in the required Skyweaver transport!!

 insaniak wrote:
I foresee a lot of arguments over how to determine the Voidweaver's rear facing...

agreed



I would like to have seen more troupes allowed for FOC

As we know many tournaments are stuck in 6th ed thinking and so running a double harliequin detachment will likely not be allowed or frowned upon at events, which as a person who in the 80's started with HArlies as their first army I would like to be able to play an all Harlequin army. But we shall see. I hope they get multiple detachments or formations to help with this.


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 Doomaflatchi wrote:
This is... what the... I don't even...

"A typical Masque might include one Shadowseer and Death Jester per Troupe..."

But if they attach like characters, then the Troupe can't possibly fit in the required Skyweaver transport!!

I know right.... that was the first thing I thought...lol

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
I wish on the dice the symbols would be the '6' side.

I just noticed that. Especially with so many of our special weapons activating on 6's, I think it's positively asinine that they didn't do that.

 Doomaflatchi wrote:
This is... what the... I don't even...

"A typical Masque might include one Shadowseer and Death Jester per Troupe..."

But if they attach like characters, then the Troupe can't possibly fit in the required Skyweaver transport!!

Having a character per troupe doesn't necessarily mean that they're running in the troupe.

 Doomaflatchi wrote:
This is... what the... I don't even...

"A typical Masque might include one Shadowseer and Death Jester per Troupe..."

But if they attach like characters, then the Troupe can't possibly fit in the required Skyweaver transport!!

Where does it say or even imply that they join one of the Troupes in the Masque?

Ideally they will have a Decurion style list building option.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Doomaflatchi wrote:
This is... what the... I don't even...

"A typical Masque might include one Shadowseer and Death Jester per Troupe..."

But if they attach like characters, then the Troupe can't possibly fit in the required Skyweaver transport!!

Where does it say or even imply that they join one of the Troupes in the Masque?

It doesn't - I assumed it, because of the rest of 40k. Many Psychic powers only affect the Psyker's unit, and aside from the Solitaire (which is a special case), how many Elite Characters do you really see running around on their own in this game?

 Ghaz wrote:

 Doomaflatchi wrote:
This is... what the... I don't even...

"A typical Masque might include one Shadowseer and Death Jester per Troupe..."

But if they attach like characters, then the Troupe can't possibly fit in the required Skyweaver transport!!

Where does it say or even imply that they join one of the Troupes in the Masque?

It doesn't. It just means 'for every Troupe a Shadowseer and Death Jester are inclluded".