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WhispererofTruth wrote:
Because explaining it would require giving spoilers. Something I'm not going to do due to the fact they will get spread and ruin things for people who don't want to read them, it happens every time.

Lets be honest shall we? You are clearly looking for attention and so far you have only posted the obvious. If you really want your so important message to be noticed and spread all over the net how about you actually post some new content rather than a random list? I mean in 3 months time we will know if your full of it or not. So, are you the man for that?

 NAVARRO wrote:

WhispererofTruth wrote:
Because explaining it would require giving spoilers. Something I'm not going to do due to the fact they will get spread and ruin things for people who don't want to read them, it happens every time.

Lets be honest shall we? You are clearly looking for attention and so far you have only posted the obvious. If you really want your so important message to be noticed and spread all over the net how about you actually post some new content rather than a random list? I mean in 3 months time we will know if your full of it or not. So, are you the man for that?

I'm not a man. And the list is a list of the units that will survive 9th. I don't think the list is complete tbf. There's a couple of other units that I think should be there, but I haven't heard that they will be.

7 Champions and an army of light.

No more Lizardmen, but still playable.

No more Gnoblars/Skinks. They become Goblins.

No more Beastmen.

Elves become more Eldary, units take on aspects of their gods.

There are some units like the Blood Knights that I expected to survive into 9th, but the events of the books have made me doubt this is going to happen anymore. They were due to be updated. Plus it fits with the new merging unit policy, not sure that's happening anymore though. Something similar happened to the Bone Giant, that being said I heard the Bone Giant was getting a redesign and a release some point in the future.

The game will become more Fantasy like, less cannons and warmachines. More magical. It's not just the "Humans" that get empowered by the gods all factions will experience this.

Does seem a bit pointless posting if you don't want people to know anything.


.. FWIW the Wood Elf Eternal Guard and Sisters of the Thorn kits have been added to GW's module range (the models independent stores have to stock if on the module scheme) and my understanding is that this won;t be reviewed or changed until late this/early next year.

WhispererofTruth wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

WhispererofTruth wrote:
Because explaining it would require giving spoilers. Something I'm not going to do due to the fact they will get spread and ruin things for people who don't want to read them, it happens every time.

Lets be honest shall we? You are clearly looking for attention and so far you have only posted the obvious. If you really want your so important message to be noticed and spread all over the net how about you actually post some new content rather than a random list? I mean in 3 months time we will know if your full of it or not. So, are you the man for that?

I'm not a man. And the list is a list of the units that will survive 9th.

7 Champions and an army of light.

No more Lizardmen.

No more Gnoblars/Skinks. They become Goblins.

No more Beastmen.

Elves become more Eldary, units take on aspects of their gods.

Thank you dear... Lady? Keep them coming.

I feel like if I had a nickel for every "rumor monger" with barely double digit posts that came on this forum and posted vague "rumors" that seem like educated guesses and then got weirdly defensive when asked to elaborate, I'd could probably buy Smaug.


And Skinks become Goblins? Nice dude.

The list makes sense. All the End Times boxes (almost) are intact, along with some of the recent highlights. Don't get the Ghorgon, though, considering Beastmen are to be no more.

The upcoming Gorereapers and Wrathmongers sound nice.

 -DE- wrote:
The list makes sense. All the End Times boxes (almost) are intact, along with some of the recent highlights. Don't get the Ghorgon, though, considering Beastmen are to be no more.

The upcoming Gorereapers and Wrathmongers sound nice.

They still exist in the background, just not as a standing army. Counts as is a wonderful thing. You could probably use the Orcs list as a good representation of them. As for the Ghorgon, well it's an IP stampable hybrid of a Giant and the Minotaur. What's not too like? I said before the essence of the armies will stay, just not in the same form as before.

Yeah, but why keep a Beastman model if they aren't keeping the army.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah, but why keep a Beastman model if they aren't keeping the army.

It's a Chaos Legion model, not a BM model. I'm using the term Beastmen rather broadly I'll admit.

Right. So Legions of Chaos remain.

If Orcs get lizards, Ogres and beastmen that list alone will burst all the newhammer bubbles .... I wonder if the Spider riders and Arachnarok will endure the 9th in order to feast on the noobs carcasses.

 NAVARRO wrote:
If Orcs get lizards, Ogres and beastmen that list alone will burst all the newhammer bubbles .... I wonder if the Spider riders and Arachnarok will endure the 9th in order to feast on the noobs carcasses.

Incy wincy spider down the waterspout, down came the squat hammer and flushed the spider out. Into just The Hobbit range apparently. Between you and me, I blame the Forest Goblins being all common. As for most of the list, well it won't be there. No more Ironguts, Common Orcs/Goblins, Leadbelchers, Gnoblars etc; The Orcs and Ogres are trading in iron and gun powder for more traditional measures. I

 WhispererofTruth wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
If Orcs get lizards, Ogres and beastmen that list alone will burst all the newhammer bubbles .... I wonder if the Spider riders and Arachnarok will endure the 9th in order to feast on the noobs carcasses.

Incy wincy spider down the waterspout, down came the squat hammer and flushed the spider out. Into just The Hobbit range apparently. Between you and me, I blame the Forest Goblins being all common. As for most of the list, well it won't be there. No more Ironguts, Common Orcs/Goblins, Leadbelchers, Gnoblars etc; The Orcs and Ogres are trading in iron and gun powder for more traditional measures. I

Thats lots of plastic kits missing the 9th and big ones too... If it happens WFB model range will be reduced to 1/3 or less of what we currently have. Then again if it goes skirmish there is nothing stopping down the road a bestiary tome to reintroduce some those beasts back ... I wonder if Finecast will still be a option for the 9th.

I like how the Skaven in the list have been reduced to nothing but big point (and cost) items.

Where's my skittering horde? All I see are Stormvermin to go with all the big guys and war machines.

Or probably axe out all the metal, resin, and old plastics that aren't selling well (or have a glut on the used market) to make a new skirmish game. If a unit of stormvermin has an actual impact in the game, like a unit in Warmahordes, then what's it matter if the box is expensive?

I say bring the axe and bring on good rules, prove us "haterz" wrong, GW.

 TheKbob wrote:
Or probably axe out all the metal, resin, and old plastics that aren't selling well (or have a glut on the used market) to make a new skirmish game. If a unit of stormvermin has an actual impact in the game, like a unit in Warmahordes, then what's it matter if the box is expensive?

I say bring the axe and bring on good rules, prove us "haterz" wrong, GW.

I say keep the hammer instead of the axe and leave Hordes to PP.

 reds8n wrote:
Does seem a bit pointless posting if you don't want people to know anything.


.. FWIW the Wood Elf Eternal Guard and Sisters of the Thorn kits have been added to GW's module range (the models independent stores have to stock if on the module scheme) and my understanding is that this won;t be reviewed or changed until late this/early next year.

Eternal Guard/Wildwood Rangers and Sisters of the Thorn/Wild Riders are also the only two "new" kits out of the basic line-up for Wood Elves.

Those two boxes, Araloth, and the Treeman Ancient/Durthu/Treeman kit were the only new releases that Wood Elves saw with their book. The line still has an entire unit in metal(Waywatchers) and several characters in metal as well(the Waywatcher Lord, Lord on Great Stag, Lord on Great Eagle, etc...) and some in resin.

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
Because explaining it would require giving spoilers. Something I'm not going to do due to the fact they will get spread and ruin things for people who don't want to read them, it happens every time. Try not to be so rude.

Welcome to the Ignore List. Enjoy your stay.

The Auld Grump

 Sidstyler wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Mark of Highness = +3 pts/model = unit gains Valour & Marital Prowess

Oh, my...

:trollface:

 TheKbob wrote:
Or probably axe out all the metal, resin, and old plastics that aren't selling well (or have a glut on the used market) to make a new skirmish game. If a unit of stormvermin has an actual impact in the game, like a unit in Warmahordes, then what's it matter if the box is expensive?

I say bring the axe and bring on good rules, prove us "haterz" wrong, GW.

The matter is that if you are going to focus on selling a few specific units - whether it's my old idea of halving the price for "commons" to make it easier to build a foundation of an army upon which you can build with the more expensive kits, or GW's rumoured idea of just throwing out the rest - those units should be the ones that best convey the character of the army. If the Skaven aren't going to play like Skaven, why are they even in the game?

 AlexHolker wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
Or probably axe out all the metal, resin, and old plastics that aren't selling well (or have a glut on the used market) to make a new skirmish game. If a unit of stormvermin has an actual impact in the game, like a unit in Warmahordes, then what's it matter if the box is expensive?

I say bring the axe and bring on good rules, prove us "haterz" wrong, GW.

The matter is that if you are going to focus on selling a few specific units - whether it's my old idea of halving the price for "commons" to make it easier to build a foundation of an army upon which you can build with the more expensive kits, or GW's rumoured idea of just throwing out the rest - those units should be the ones that best convey the character of the army. If the Skaven aren't going to play like Skaven, why are they even in the game?

Because GW honestly do seem to believe that our hobby is "buying what GW are selling"; they don't think people care if the ratmen models look or act like the Skaven faction they were fans of, they don't think people give a crap whether they're playing in the Warhammer World or the Warhammer Bubbleverse - what matters is the GW logo on the boxes and books. I hope they're wrong, and the number of people of that type has seemingly shrunk over the past few years, but I don't know whether there may just be enough of them left to sustain GW through their wholesale dismantling of the Warhammer IP, which would be a shame.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
Or probably axe out all the metal, resin, and old plastics that aren't selling well (or have a glut on the used market) to make a new skirmish game. If a unit of stormvermin has an actual impact in the game, like a unit in Warmahordes, then what's it matter if the box is expensive?

I say bring the axe and bring on good rules, prove us "haterz" wrong, GW.

The matter is that if you are going to focus on selling a few specific units - whether it's my old idea of halving the price for "commons" to make it easier to build a foundation of an army upon which you can build with the more expensive kits, or GW's rumoured idea of just throwing out the rest - those units should be the ones that best convey the character of the army. If the Skaven aren't going to play like Skaven, why are they even in the game?

I know, one thing is reducing some few units here and there and trim things a bit, another thing is reducing armies to something unrecognizable and out of character... If rumors prove to be accurate the O&G army will be without, any other form of goblin apart from NG, no Trolls, only savage orcs, no spiders, less war machines and get meshed with Ogres... wonder if boars, Wyverns and giant still have a place. Thats a lot of things stripped away and people with huge armies based on these canned themes will have to find other uses for them... and they will, maybe not in 2015 GW.

The bump in magic, reduced war machines, reduced armies, rules in box and skirmish in round bases is getting closer and closer of Privateer formula with the downside of the Limited releases idea GW seems to be heading to.
This is effectively a totally different game and by the sounds of it a simplified flat version of WFB. The first thing that comes to my mind when I put all these rumors together is Genestealer cults... Remember all the coolness and Background with the Hybrids and generations etc? Today 40k has one entry for Genestealer and broodlord and they are just ravaging beasts with little background... Thats going to be WFB, tasteless with all the cool factors erased from it.

Yodhrin I dont think the WFB brand is strong enough to endure such major kick in the bubbles.

So, who wants to play 8th and ignore this abomination of a new game?

Oddly I think this change would more likely bring me back in the game.

Although at this point I'm good either way, Mordheim will keep my Fantasy craving going indefinitely. but this would make me sit up and take notice if accurate.

The only thing keeping me in the game at this point was the background and the occasional non-OTT model release, so yeah.

What's annoying is if they're really culling the range to the extent that has been suggested, it's actually going to make it harder than it already is to talk new people into trying better games like Mordheim - right now you can buy or convert almost every Mordheim warband with very little effort, not so much when 2/3 of the range has vanished and much of the rest replaced with new Fantasy Space Marine-type drek.

It's all a load of bollocks, I flatly refuse to believe gw is stupid enough to hack a huge chunk of there product range apart, cite this message when the ed comes out rumour mongers, I'm flatly calling you all liars.

 Crazyterran wrote:
So, who wants to play 8th and ignore this abomination of a new game?

Eh.... No.

I'm looking forward to these changes and appreciate the current rumours that are coming out as it may pull me back in.

 Crazyterran wrote:
So, who wants to play 8th and ignore this abomination of a new game?

8th already is an abomination

 Flashman wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
So, who wants to play 8th and ignore this abomination of a new game?

8th already is an abomination

Its far superior to the previous editions of fantasy. No 25+ power dice magic phases, better unit type rules, no cavalry automatically winning their combats, etc...

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
So, who wants to play 8th and ignore this abomination of a new game?

8th already is an abomination

Its far superior to the previous editions of fantasy. No 25+ power dice magic phases, better unit type rules, no cavalry automatically winning their combats, etc...

Cavalry should automatically win their combats. That's the point of cavalry.