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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You know how people already explained the actual origin? Could we have more of that, and less of... whatever your post is?

Check your privilege!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You know how people already explained the actual origin? Could we have more of that, and less of... whatever your post is?

Check your privilege!

Wow, you really got me there. How can I ever recover from such a witty reply?

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Reds8n

Cis. A word used to signify that the user does not wish to be taken seriously by me.

MWHistorian wrote:Cis. A word used to signify that the user does not wish to be taken seriously by me.

Pretty much. That and "cultural appropriation" and "ableism".

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Wow, you really got me there. How can I ever recover from such a witty reply?

I wasn't being witty, I was being dismissive. It's part of my charm.

You know how you (rightly) always complain that people use "check your privilege!" to derail discussions? I'm kinda thinking that if you want less of that, you could start by not doing it yourself.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You know how you (rightly) always complain that people use "check your privilege!" to derail discussions? I'm kinda thinking that if you want less of that, you could start by not doing it yourself.

But if the same three or four people don't show up in every single thread where people are trying to have a vaguely serious(and usually fairly civil until their arrival) discussion to explain things to us, how will anyone know that tumblr is full of silly people and so by extension any time anyone on tumblr expresses an opinion about a subject they immediately discredit every possible argument that ever has been, is being, or will be made by anybody ever regarding the same subject?

I mean, SJW's, lulz, amirite?!

btw that reminds me, what happened to cincydooley? I miss his input .

 Yodhrin wrote:
But if the same three or four people don't show up in every single thread where people are trying to have a vaguely serious(and usually fairly civil until their arrival) discussion to explain things to us, how will anyone know that tumblr is full of silly people and so by extension any time anyone on tumblr expresses an opinion about a subject they immediately discredit every possible argument that ever has been, is being, or will be made by anybody ever regarding the same subject?

When the discussion starts with "Are braids in your hair racist?", I think we're beyond the point of ever taking it seriously. Hell, I'd argue that taking it seriously lends weight/credence to their nonsense ideas. Ridicule is the only refuge, as to treat it seriously for even a second leads down a path of madness and microaggressions.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I mean, SJW's, lulz, amirite?!

Well yes. They whine about the infinitely trivial, treating it as if society itself was ready to collapse. How can one react but with amusement or bemusement?

I'm late to the clusterfeth, but remind me how cultural appropriation is a bad thing. I didn't see anyone actually cover that in before things went bizarre, and "Western Appreciation of Anime is Racist Guy" never really was very articulate about it.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I mean, SJW's, lulz, amirite?!

Well yes. They whine about the infinitely trivial, treating it as if society itself was ready to collapse. How can one react but with amusement or bemusement?

I was actually talking to one of the most liberal guys I can stand to call a friend earlier, and I'm pretty liberal according to Dakka, but he described SJWs without actually using that term, and cited that as basically the reason as why we were becoming more conservative in a lot of ways, and then twitched in a strange way when I used the term later in the conversation. I mean little by mentioning this. Just an anecdote.

If you are implying that the term "SJW" isn't helpful, then I'd have to agree. It's yet again another label, and all it does is divide us. Perhaps it would be better to ascribe it to a pattern of behaviour, rather than a group of people that hang out in a certain place (Tumblr/US College campuses).

 daedalus wrote:
I'm late to the clusterfeth, but remind me how cultural appropriation is a bad thing. I didn't see anyone actually cover that in before things went bizarre, and "Western Appreciation of Anime is Racist Guy" never really was very articulate about it.

As always, it's a matter of degree. In the middle you have normal interaction with other cultures. I go to an Italian restaurant. You visit India. Ouze learns Swahili. Yodhrin learns origami. And so on.

Then you have the two extremes, where people take things from one persons culture, make it their own, and in a way stamp out the culture it came from. This is a very colonialistic (if that's a word) thing. Then you have the opposite extreme, the people who believe that doing anything from any other culture beyond your own is "cultural appropriation", so me going to that Italian restaurant, your visit to India, Ouze's desire to talk Swahili and Yodran's eagerness to fold paper into pretty objects is seen as bad, as wiping away the cultures they're from and, or course, the old standby, racism.

Well, that's the thing, I wasn't really trying to imply anything. Really just babbling about something that happened mere hours ago that seemed vaguely relevant. You hit on an interesting point though: We apparently try to be divisive. That's the core takeaway of everything for me. In the old days, it was a fad to embrace not where you were born, but where people 6-7 generations from you came from. You were so lucky to declare you were 1/16 Cherokee or whatever. You were proud to declare yourself Scottish, even if you only strongly traced yourself back to it among all the German and English in you, by god, it's a thing. Or one of the other two, whichever you cherry-picked, it's a badge of honor derived from a pedigree actually honored as a bumper sticker slogan; essentially meaningless. Perhaps part of the problem is that it somehow cheapens the originating culture? Or, perhaps somehow ever person claiming it cheapens the bumper sticker slogan of someone with stronger ties to it. I don't know. I don't get people.

I recently learned how to make paneer. I did so not because I want to subvert Indian culture, but because it's goddamned delicious, and I cherish the spread of knowledge. I'd happily share that knowledge with anyone who cared, as I would with any knowledge I might happen to have, and consider it an honor to be able to teach someone. Universal understanding is really the only thing that matters to me. I wonder about people who seemingly WANT to be segregated.

And I mean, if we stuck to cultural inventions based upon our skin color, how much would that suck for everyone? Literally everyone? I'd be eating gak food, people would be dying due to lack of modern medicine, and we'd all be even more distrustful and hateful of everyone that we already are behind the masquerade of smiley gladhandedness, which would even be strained due to our inability to relate to each other. Human interaction is based the feth on sharing experiences. How the hell do you relate to the guy next to you if you can't break bread/share beer/talk the same language? Please tell me someone is wrong here, because it sounds like human beings are advocating a return to the dark ages.

 Bullockist wrote:
btw that reminds me, what happened to cincydooley? I miss his input .

Something about a banana spider and "always check the toilet before you siut down."

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well yes. They whine about the infinitely trivial, treating it as if society itself was ready to collapse. How can one react but with amusement or bemusement?

I know, they make posts complaining about things that happened on twitter, they talk as if SJWs are some sort of pervasive threat to civilised culture... wait, what were you talking about?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Check your privilege!

Ugh, I hate how SJWs middle aged guys on the internet use that phrase to derail conversations and shut down meaningful discussion. Every time a topic comes up on Dakka, those pesky SJWs middle aged guys just respond with "Check your privelege!" As if it's some sort of magic bullet argument that no-one is allowed to respond to.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
But if the same three or four people don't show up in every single thread where people are trying to have a vaguely serious(and usually fairly civil until their arrival) discussion to explain things to us, how will anyone know that tumblr is full of silly people and so by extension any time anyone on tumblr expresses an opinion about a subject they immediately discredit every possible argument that ever has been, is being, or will be made by anybody ever regarding the same subject?

When the discussion starts with "Are braids in your hair racist?", I think we're beyond the point of ever taking it seriously. Hell, I'd argue that taking it seriously lends weight/credence to their nonsense ideas. Ridicule is the only refuge, as to treat it seriously for even a second leads down a path of madness and microaggressions.

But if you notice, we pretty quickly moved past that in this thread and began, quite civilly, discussing the broader question, and even the primary person arguing in favour of the concept at issue has said on a couple of occasions that the reaction in the original story was daft and the hair thing is silly. I would suggest that if you think the topic is stupid, and that engaging with it is stupid, you say to yourself "this is stupid" and toddle off? You don't get "[led] down a path of madness and microaggressions", and the rest of us can enjoy our conversation without the same few people visiting every thread to let us know you still think exactly the same thing you did in the last five threads.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I mean, SJW's, lulz, amirite?!

Well yes. They whine about the infinitely trivial, treating it as if society itself was ready to collapse. How can one react but with amusement or bemusement?

One can react however they like. It just seems that you and the others who feel the need to bring it up constantly whether there are any actual "SJWs" whining about trivial things in the actual thread or not, are starting to sound a lot like that particular brand of atheist who feels the need to post a screed about how bad the Westboro Baptist Church are in any thread that mentions the word "religion", whether it's relevant or not. Because that is who we're talking about here; fringe nutters, people who take already contentious and fringe academic concepts, wash them down with a liberal glass of misunderstanding, and then vomit the resulting hyperbole all over one online community(that isn't this one), and are discussed outside of that community online almost exclusively in terms of ridicule.

In short; it was funny the first few times, mildly amusing a few times after that, but it's boring now and serves only to derail every single topic you lot feel the need to involve it in. We all know your view, and almost everyone agrees with it to one degree or another. Please, as a favour, give it a rest for a while?

So what you're saying is you need a safe space on a public internet forum where people aren't allowed to disagree or mock you.

If you have worthwhile to contribute to the thread -- and posts that consist of a single "hilarious" image do not fill the criteria -- then it's better you don't post at all.

Sining wrote:
So what you're saying is you need a safe space on a public internet forum where people aren't allowed to disagree or mock you.

Because, as always, it must come down to 'we're all so offended' and not 'we're trying to have a civilised discussion and you* keep on contributing with the intellectual equivalent of running into a room, farting and running away'.

I'm more than open to hearing other people's opinions, it's why I come into these threads time and time again. The issue is when there's an attempt at hearing one another's opinions, and 'certain posters' 'contribute' by making posts that consist entirely of asinine buzzwords, making comments about people being needlessly offended when they object to something, or generally try to shut the discussion down, not because they disagree with people's argument, but because in their opinion there shouldn't be a discussion at all.

That's why these threads always end badly.



*you is in the plural here, it is not aimed specifically at Sining.

 Goliath wrote:

Sining wrote:
So what you're saying is you need a safe space on a public internet forum where people aren't allowed to disagree or mock you.

Because, as always, it must come down to 'we're all so offended' and not 'we're trying to have a civilised discussion and you* keep on contributing with the intellectual equivalent of running into a room, farting and running away'.

I'm more than open to hearing other people's opinions, it's why I come into these threads time and time again. The issue is when there's an attempt at hearing one another's opinions, and 'certain posters' 'contribute' by making posts that consist entirely of asinine buzzwords, making comments about people being needlessly offended when they object to something, or generally try to shut the discussion down, not because they disagree with people's argument, but because in their opinion there shouldn't be a discussion at all.

That's why these threads always end badly.



*you is in the plural here, it is not aimed specifically at Sining.

Maybe those people think that even discussing those opinions is equal to giving them a degree of legitimacy that they do not deserve? And that mocking those opinions is the only real way to demonstrate their sheer absurdity in the current world?

Goliath, those are their opinions. While yours are just to come in and complain about the people who don't feel cultural appropriation is a thing. I mean apparently I wouldn't wear jeans cause Asians certainly didn't invent them. We just mass produce them now

More-or-less relevant to the OP:

I just put on my mix of classics that I enjoy on shuffle, and at song 2 a thought popped up: If braiding your hair is bad, how much worse would the people complaining about that consider the Blues Brothers to be?

Also, as someone who speaks five languages (6 if you count my local dialect which is pretty much incomprehensible to people who speak only proper Dutch and admittedly only 3 fluently), I cannot for the life of me figure out how speaking more than one language is a bad thing, even for the people who you can now communicate with in their own tongue?
That's not even counting how speaking a different language teaches you new and different thought patterns.

I live in southern California right on the border (hopefully not much longer though as I'm planning on moving to Arizona in summer) and I don't see any white privilege here. Plenty of hispanic and middle eastern privilege though.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Cis. A word used to signify that the user does not wish to be taken seriously by me.

Would exalt twice.

Cis is a term used by people in place of "Normal" because it means that just because you where born "Trans" you are normal and no different from someone born "Cis"
I have no problem with is being used that way. Hell in chemistry there are Trans/Cis terms
The problem I have, people use it as a way to shut down arguments and say your opinion has no validity because you identify as cis.

I've never seen the term "cis" used in anything other then a derogatory manner.

 djones520 wrote:
I've never seen the term "cis" used in anything other then a derogatory manner.

Not sure what the word filter will do here, but let's give it a go:

Cis is the '[see forum posting rules]' of Tumblr.


EDIT: Ok, it cuts the word completely (doesn't even replace it). I think that's fine. Better to cut it. I can't imagine what a good "replacement" would be for that particular word anyway.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You know how people already explained the actual origin? Could we have more of that, and less of... whatever your post is?

Check your privilege!

Don't you openly portray yourself as a representative for a large board game manufacturer? How do you get away with using your employer's name on the same site on which you wade into drama at maximum abrasiveness?

Seriously, I want to know so I can be my online self with my real life name and not end up unemployed.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Don't you openly portray yourself as a representative for a large board game manufacturer? How do you get away with using your employer's name on the same site on which you wade into drama at maximum abrasiveness?

He has a disclaimer saying he is not. Just like me! Look at mine! What I am saying is in no way on behalf of Games Workshop. Do not make that easy mistake to take what I say as being said on behalf of Games Workshop, please! Because it might sound very reasonable to assume I speak on behalf of Games Workshop, but I do not. That is just not true.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Don't you openly portray yourself as a representative for a large board game manufacturer? How do you get away with using your employer's name on the same site on which you wade into drama at maximum abrasiveness?

He has a disclaimer saying he is not. Just like me! Look at mine! What I am saying is in no way on behalf of Games Workshop. Do not make that easy mistake to take what I say as being said on behalf of Games Workshop, please! Because it might sound very reasonable to assume I speak on behalf of Games Workshop, but I do not. That is just not true.

Yeah, okay, but every employment contract or employee handbook I've ever had has pretty much included a clause that prevents a personal disclaimer from protecting the employee from termination.

For example, no matter how many times I say my opinions online don't represent Union Carbide, except in all the threads where we talk about carbide or unions, if I ever posted, say, "I'm tired of short justice waddlers getting mad at folks for putting shoes on my knees and calling myself a dorf," my ass would be grass. Even if I had a really big disclaimer.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
For example, no matter how many times I say my opinions online don't represent Union Carbide, except in all the threads where we talk about carbide or unions, if I ever posted, say, "I'm tired of short justice waddlers getting mad at folks for putting shoes on my knees and calling myself a dorf," my ass would be grass. Even if I had a really big disclaimer.

Only if people knew and cared about it. In my case, I can do that because I am not employed by Games Workshop. This is a great help. In his case, I guess nobody at FFG cares about what he says, because if he had not put a bolded, m'as-tu-vu disclaimer in his signature, nobody would even know he works for them. And even then, people may put as much faith in his disclaimer as they ought to put in mine.