Sony and Marvel agree to put Spiderman in the MCU

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**KingmanHighborn**

He'd need a haircut but what about that guy that played Kickass? He looks the role of 'dork' for Peter Parker enough. And at the end of Kickass 2 had the 'build' for a Spiderman.

**WrentheFaceless**

KingmanHighborn wrote:
He'd need a haircut but what about that guy that played Kickass? He looks the role of 'dork' for Peter Parker enough. And at the end of Kickass 2 had the 'build' for a Spiderman.

He's currently already Quicksilver in the new Avengers.

**Goliath**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
We live in hope Gitzbitah. We live in hope.

See, as much as I loved the idea of Donald Glover playing Miles Morales (Gambino is a mastermind, after all) , and while he does an excellent job with the voice acting in Ultimate Spiderman, I just think that by now Glover is too old to play Morales. With Parker, having an older actor can work, because they can have him be in his late teens and still look the same, but Miles Morales was like 12 years old when he started; as much as he's a good actor, there's no way that they'd be able to pull that off with Glover.

**timetowaste85**

No Miles. Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Why don't we replace Hulk with Rick Jones? Or Tony with Rhodey? Or Cap with Frank Castle? Jeez. No. On all accounts.

And somebody is going to tell me "not the same thing". Rick got gamma bombed, Rhodey took over during drinking time, Castle took the shield when Cap died. All of them lost their spot in one way or another. Miles deserves the same fate.

And Earth's Mightiest Heroes was the best Marvel cartoon ever made. Ever. Not opinion; fact.

**SagesStone**

I'm hoping it's this spiderman they're talking about.

**Alpharius**

I guess this means were that much closer to what happened in the comics version of Civil War?

I hope they have some seriously large changes planned, as that was...not a great series.

**H.B.M.C.**

timetowaste85 wrote:
No Miles. Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Why don't we replace Hulk with Rick Jones? Or Tony with Rhodey? Or Cap with Frank Castle?

Because Rick Jones is A-Bomb, not the Hulk. Because Rhodey is War Machine, not Iron man. Because Frank Castle is The Punisher, not Captain America.

Miles Morales has never been anyone but Spider-Man.

timetowaste85 wrote:
And Earth's Mightiest Heroes was the best Marvel cartoon ever made. Ever. Not opinion; fact.

At least until the guy in charge of Marvel TV insisted they drop the serialised and make it more episodic.

**-Loki-**

I can get behind the movement to get Donald Glover cast as Miles for MCU Spiderman.

Mostly because he's awesome and I want to see him in more things being awesome.

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More from Variety.

Sony is going younger with its next Spider-Man.

Now that Andrew Garfield is hanging up the red and blue spandex, Sony Pictures is getting ready to put out a casting call to find its next webslinger. The plan is for the character to go back to high school in the next films, Variety has learned from sources with knowledge of the studio’s plans.

Several actors have already been mentioned as being considered for the role, including “The Maze Runner” and “Teen Wolf’s” Dylan O’Brien and the “Percy Jackson” franchise’s Logan Lerman. Lerman most recently co-starred in Sony’s “Fury.”

Actors have yet to be approached, and sources say Sony is looking to hire a new director to replace “The Amazing Spider-Man” films’ Marc Webb before tapping a new Spidey. The studio also needs to figure out whether it wants to go with another Peter Parker or introduce another character that suits up as Spider-Man, including Miles Morales, whose father is African American and mother is Puerto Rican.

Sony has put the character, played by Tobey Maguire and Garfield, in Midtown High School before, but the plan is to spend more time in the setting and explore his awkward relationship with other students while fighting crime out of the classroom. Midtown is a major setting in the comicbooks, and Peter Parker also returns to the school to become a science teacher in storylines.

Sony needs to move fast, since Marvel wants to introduce the new actor playing Spider-Man in “Captain America: Civil War” in theaters in 2016 before launching his own solo franchise at Sony in 2017.

So another Origin story.

**d-usa**

Just because the solo movie is focusing more on high school doesn't mean it has to be a flat-out origin story.

**Compel**

To echo peoples opinions. The montage in the opening of the Incredible Hulk was perfectly good.

In fact, my 60 plus year old mother was able to follow along with the Incredible Hulk film when I was watching it one Christmas, just with knowledge of that and some possible vague recollection of Lou Ferrigno.

So, I think they should be able to skip the origin story easily enough this time too.

**-Loki-**

If they're going all the way back to high school and his trials and tribulations with bullies, they kind of have to start with him de-powered, otherwise there's not much other than 'I'm holding my strength back'.

**LordofHats**

Given that we've had a whole bunch of Peter Parkers, I'm actually thinking maybe we should put Miles Morales on the screen next. Honestly, kind of tired of seeing Uncle Ben die XD

Miles' storyline and origin is heavily connected to SHIELD and while SHIELD is now kind of blargish in the MCU, it would make it easy to integrate the character into the MCU via Coulsen or Fury. They could also loosely incorporate Garfield's spider man, simply making some reference to his sudden disappearance.

**Grimskul**

I really dislike the focus back on high school all over again. It's such an overdone setting at this point, I'd much rather see him fumbling at his job at the Daily Bugle than see him have to go through the motions with Flash Thompson and Mary Jane/Gwen Stacy. Give me some Black Cat baby!

**timetowaste85**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
No Miles. Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Why don't we replace Hulk with Rick Jones? Or Tony with Rhodey? Or Cap with Frank Castle?

Because Rick Jones is A-Bomb, not the Hulk. Because Rhodey is War Machine, not Iron man. Because Frank Castle is The Punisher, not Captain America.

Miles Morales has never been anyone but Spider-Man.

timetowaste85 wrote:
And Earth's Mightiest Heroes was the best Marvel cartoon ever made. Ever. Not opinion; fact.

At least until the guy in charge of Marvel TV insisted they drop the serialised and make it more episodic.

Come on, H: skipping the second line of my comment? Rhodey HAS been Iron Man. Punisher HAS been Captain America. Both lasted a short time. Rick, as I stated, was just gamma bombed. But just like Rhodey and Castle, Miles was somebody else who took up the mantle of a certain hero when that hero was incapacitated. In the case of Spidey and Cap, it was when they died. Cap came back, the real Spidey stayed dead. Still doesn't change the fact that Miles sucks. I'd skip any movie that had him as Spidey, instead of Peter Parker: the only Spidey that has ever, or will ever, matter.

**H.B.M.C.**

The second line was skipped as I wasn't replying to it (or felt that my first comment covered it sufficiently). But if I must:

Right now Falcon has the role of Captain America and some chick is being Thor. That doesn't make them that character. Steve Rogers still exists, as does Thor Odinson.

Miles Morales isn't some other hero that took up the Spidey mantle. He did take up the mantle, sure, but he's only ever been Spider-Man.

**LordofHats**

Not to mention that thus far there appears to be no intention of bringing Peter Parker back to life in the Ultimate Universe.

A large number of Ultimate versions of mainline Marvel characters are dead and have stayed dead in Ultimate. A good example is Logan who has been dead since the Ultimatum event in 2009, his son James ~~Logan~~ Hudson has been Wolverine ever since (a whole lot of X-Men were killed actually and have not come back).

Miles has been Spider Man for 3 years now. There is at this time no reason to believe Miles will ever stop being Spider-Man (At least, no reason to believe Peter will return to take up the mantle especially since he's still dead on Earth-1610 as far as I know). Peter's death was more than just a stunt to sell comics. Miles is a permanent replacement and isn't going anywhere (to the best of anyone's knowledge). The MCU is it's own timeline. Why not use Miles Morales instead of Peter Parker? I'd go see it if only for a change of pace cause I really don't need to see Peter Parker's origin story a third time in the same decade!

EDIT: And apparently there is now rumor, that with Marvel making plans to smash 616 (the main Marvel Universe) in with 1610 (Ultimate Marvel) to make room for a new universe in their line up, Miles is likely become a permanent resident of the main Marvel Universe.

**H.B.M.C.**

Yeah, Marvel are doing a "Crisis" event, where every alternate universe becomes a continent on "Battleworld". It's to do with their convergence plot lines. 616 and Ultimate Marvel are going to hit one another, and they're saying Miles will stick around.

They have a website for it and everything.

**Wyzilla**

Is anyone else crossing their fingers for the modern Venom to get a movie? Thompson is a far better character then Brock, isn't a sociopath, and is highly sympathetic. Probably would get along swell with MCU Cap as well.

**Goliath**

LordofHats wrote:
Not to mention that thus far there appears to be no intention of bringing Peter Parker back to life in the Ultimate Universe.

Actually, they did. There was an arc recently where Osborn and Peter got resurrected, and turned up again, but even then, with Peter Parker alive again, Miles Morales *is* Spider-Man.

**Paradigm**

Wyzilla wrote:
Is anyone else crossing their fingers for the modern Venom to get a movie? Thompson is a far better character then Brock, isn't a sociopath, and is highly sympathetic. Probably would get along swell with MCU Cap as well.

Before this news, there was a Venom: Carnage film scheduled for 2017, which I believe was going to focus on the anti-hero side of whichever host they go with, rather than an out-and-out villain (Carnage would fill that role).

That said, the fate of that is now up in the air, I guess, along with the Sinister 6, Black Cat and possible other spin-offs that were planned.

Which is, as I may have mentioned, really, really annoying! The end of ASM 2 set up something that could have been really cool, and I imagine we'll never get to see that story finish.

At the risk of much nerdrage, I'm going to go ahead and say this is the worst premature cancellation since Firefly!

On the subject of a non-Parker Spidey, or a non-Rogers Cap, or a non-Stark Iron Man, I imagine we'll have to get used to that soon enough. With a combination of contracts and time, after Infinity War I predict a huge change in lineup, roughly along these lines for Avengers 5+

Captain America: Bucky Barnes
Iron Man: Rhodey
Warbrid: Carol Danvers
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch
Possibly another Thor, or Thor-stand-in.

And frankly, I'd have no issue with it.

**Goliath**

Wyzilla wrote:
Is anyone else crossing their fingers for the modern Venom to get a movie? Thompson is a far better character then Brock, isn't a sociopath, and is highly sympathetic. Probably would get along swell with MCU Cap as well.

Agent Venom would be a brilliant film character, but I worry that it'd require too much backstory to work properly. Most people don't know who Venom is, but if they do it's generally as the giant hulking monster of Mac Gargan, rather than the heroic character of Agent Venom.

**LordofHats**

Yeah my following of comics is limited to checking in every 3-4 months to bulk buy the Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate X-Men series from their website so I'm always a bit behind XD

Personally when I sit down and think about it, I just realize I don't want Peter Parker to be Spider-Man anymore (in 616). The character to me has just been subjected to years of torture at the hands of his own writers, that all I ever feel for that series ever since One More Day has been pure pessimism. The potential for Miles Morales (who I really like) to come in and just completely replace that character, is the most optimistic thing to come to my mind in years as far as comic books is concerned*. Unfortunately I suspect that would be hoping for the second coming to be tomorrow and all human suffering to end.

*I've had a very love/hate relationship with comics going on eight years now.

**Medium of Death**

Goliath wrote:
Wyzilla wrote:
Is anyone else crossing their fingers for the modern Venom to get a movie? Thompson is a far better character then Brock, isn't a sociopath, and is highly sympathetic. Probably would get along swell with MCU Cap as well.
Agent Venom would be a brilliant film character, but I worry that it'd require too much backstory to work properly. Most people don't know who Venom is, but if they do it's generally as the giant hulking monster of Mac Gargan, rather than the heroic character of Agent Venom.

Eddie Brock surely?

**Platuan4th**

Medium of Death wrote:
Goliath wrote:
Wyzilla wrote:
Is anyone else crossing their fingers for the modern Venom to get a movie? Thompson is a far better character then Brock, isn't a sociopath, and is highly sympathetic. Probably would get along swell with MCU Cap as well.
Agent Venom would be a brilliant film character, but I worry that it'd require too much backstory to work properly. Most people don't know who Venom is, but if they do it's generally as the giant hulking monster of Mac Gargan, rather than the heroic character of Agent Venom.

Eddie Brock surely?

Depends on when they started. Brock hasn't been Venom in about 10 years, which is more than enough time for newer fans to never know Brock as Venom.

**hotsauceman1**

LordofHats wrote:
Yeah my following of comics is limited to checking in every 3-4 months to bulk buy the Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate X-Men series from their website so I'm always a bit behind XD

Personally when I sit down and think about it, I just realize I don't want Peter Parker to be Spider-Man anymore (in 616). The character to me has just been subjected to years of torture at the hands of his own writers, that all I ever feel for that series ever since One More Day has been pure pessimism. The potential for Miles Morales (who I really like) to come in and just completely replace that character, is the most optimistic thing to come to my mind in years as far as comic books is concerned*. Unfortunately I suspect that would be hoping for the second coming to be tomorrow and all human suffering to end.

*I've had a very love/hate relationship with comics going on eight years now.

Never, Ever going to happen Miles would be replacing a character who is traditionally white, imagine the backlash

**Platuan4th**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
Yeah my following of comics is limited to checking in every 3-4 months to bulk buy the Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate X-Men series from their website so I'm always a bit behind XD

Personally when I sit down and think about it, I just realize I don't want Peter Parker to be Spider-Man anymore (in 616). The character to me has just been subjected to years of torture at the hands of his own writers, that all I ever feel for that series ever since One More Day has been pure pessimism. The potential for Miles Morales (who I really like) to come in and just completely replace that character, is the most optimistic thing to come to my mind in years as far as comic books is concerned*. Unfortunately I suspect that would be hoping for the second coming to be tomorrow and all human suffering to end.

*I've had a very love/hate relationship with comics going on eight years now.

Never, Ever going to happen Miles would be replacing a character who is traditionally white, imagine the backlash

You mean like how they'd never make a Norse god black?

**hotsauceman1**

Who wasn't a major character in popular culture.
Most people didn't even know heimdall.

**Paradigm**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
Yeah my following of comics is limited to checking in every 3-4 months to bulk buy the Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate X-Men series from their website so I'm always a bit behind XD

Personally when I sit down and think about it, I just realize I don't want Peter Parker to be Spider-Man anymore (in 616). The character to me has just been subjected to years of torture at the hands of his own writers, that all I ever feel for that series ever since One More Day has been pure pessimism. The potential for Miles Morales (who I really like) to come in and just completely replace that character, is the most optimistic thing to come to my mind in years as far as comic books is concerned*. Unfortunately I suspect that would be hoping for the second coming to be tomorrow and all human suffering to end.

*I've had a very love/hate relationship with comics going on eight years now.

Never, Ever going to happen Miles would be replacing a character who is traditionally white, imagine the backlash

Funny enough, the BBC have had an article today asking 'is it time for a non-white Spiderman?'. This really irritated me when I read it, for one simple reason: If anyone at Sony, Marvel or whoever else gets their hands in the rights in future ever makes the decision to use Morales rather than Parker, the reason for that should be only that they think he offers something different/new/interesting in terms of storytelling and the character they can work with. It should never be a decision made on the basis of 'we need a black Spiderman'; his ethnicity shouldn't even be brought up unless it's relevant to the character.

It's the same issue I had with the media focus on the Black Panther announcement. Instead of 'Oh, look, Marvel are doing a film about this cool character', most of the media coverage instead made a fuss of saying 'Oh, look, Marvel are doing a film with a black lead!', which is a complete non-issue. Some characters are black, some are white, and the day when that isn't even brought up when an announcement made or a discussion is held is the day we can celebrate actual equality. It should not matter when choosing characters and actors whether they are black, white, or anything else.The only consideration should be getting the best man or woman for the job.

**LordofHats**

hotsauceman1 wrote:

Never, Ever going to happen Miles would be replacing a character who is traditionally white, imagine the backlash

The backlash that already happened? The backlash that honestly, just came off as 50% whining about "PC is bad!" and 50% racism?

Miles has come out as one of the high points of the Ultimate Universe. The character is good. He's a critical and financial success.

It's more than can be said for the main Spider Man serial the past couple of years (A few of them didn't even have Peter Parker because some idiot, who was hopefully fired immediately, decided "what if Peter Parker and Doc Oct switch bodies" and wasn't immediately laughed out of the room by people with damned sense)

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hotsauceman1 wrote:
Most people didn't even know heimdall.

And yet, there was still backlash that "the white god" was played by a black man.

And you know what? It passed and no one cared anymore because he was a damn bad ass

**hotsauceman1**

I am not saying he is a bad char. What I'm saying is that these movies are made for a wider audience for a character already established as Peter parkerAnd known as white. We are not getting a miles spider man because of the back lash. It would be like making a black batman