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I wonder if the new armour mark leaves forgeworld to do the mk8 in the next ia book?

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Other food for thought:

Would GW look at the Horus Heresy success (presumable given the large number of items) and think that there is now room for a modern Space Marine to serve as a counterpart to the 30k Space Marine?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
"GW wants to protect its IP"

"looks like Iron Man's armour"

Stopped reading.

You caught that too 'ay? Yeah. Pretty funny stuff.

I don't know if its related but in the CHS suit, it played a strong part of CHS' defense that significant portions of a GW Space Marine's aesthetics are derived from historical sources. Just like how their misconception of the law convinced them changing the Imperial Guard to Astra Millitarum shields them from third party's fair use, they probably think making space marines that look less knightly will some how shield them from that legal argument but ignoring the fact that armor is an ergonomic form largely derived from the shape of the human body and that simple geometry can be legally reproduced for the sake of compatibility.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Am I the only one thinking this?



Honestly, if Harry hadn't attached his name to it, I'd just assume someone had tripped over this on Google images and made up a story to fit.

We wish it was that.

This still sounds really weird. The last time GW made new armour for the Marines we ended up with... well... y'know.

It's not the steam punk marines dual/ fantasy kit, is it?

Still holding out hope that this just means they are updated the ASM and Devestators kits, maybe even the scouts as well.

The current Tacs and Veterans kits are awesome. No need to replace so soon.

Link to the Dev concept sketches
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/544835.page

Something went very wrong between those sketches and the final models, assuming they were proto-centurions.

Azreal13 wrote:Am I the only one thinking this?

Spoiler:

Honestly, if Harry hadn't attached his name to it, I'd just assume someone had tripped over this on Google images and made up a story to fit.

No. First thing I thought of as well (and said as much on the first page).

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Link to the Dev concept sketches
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/544835.page

Thanks for that link. I would have loved for those to have been realized and, in part, the centurions were a disappointment because I'd set my expectations to match that concept work.

If this rumor of new MkIX armor pans out, I don't believe it'll replace any of the existing marks. GW would have to redo the entire space marine line of products.

I wouldn't put it past GW to think that changing marines is a good idea. It is lunacy, but lunacy that actually fits with a spate of decisions over the past year or so.

And Mythos, don't forget Nausmith's long testimony about the historically derived nature of the Space Marine. That said, although the CHS case surely spooked GW, it actually supported the iconic Space Marine as strong, protectible IP.

However, GW might have the U.S. Copyright Office's refusal to register a Space Marine shoulder pad in mind.

I expect that if this rumor is true, and I share doubts, GW will release a new kit that can be used AS a Tac Marine that has an aesthetic crossed between some of the popular 30K stuff and GW's more modern sci fi competitors. I suspect it would be taller, a tad slimmer, but with the same iconic elements, including the shoulder pads, but with a shed load more mechanical looking detail on the rims and visible underside.

Unless GW is truly looking to restart 40K from scatch, which would be a Hail Mary, I don't think GW will invalidate extant marine miniatures, but rather encourage customers to convert over their collections to the new hotness. After all, it is perfectly acceptable to have different versions of armor amongst your marines.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Link to the Dev concept sketches
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/544835.page

That is a very depressing link but thanks. I'm sorry those concepts turned into the centurions we have today. :(

Looked at the title of this thread, and just dropped in here to ask and perhaps point something out.

Has the background of 40k changed recently? If not, doesn't a mark IX armour automatically imply a moving forward of the timeline? It always used to be that the Mk7/8 was the most recent development.

 Pacific wrote:
Looked at the title of this thread, and just dropped in here to ask and perhaps point something out.

Has the background of 40k changed recently? If not, doesn't a mark IX armour automatically imply a moving forward of the timeline? It always used to be that the Mk7/8 was the most recent development.

Considering what they're doing with Fantasy, it's not out of the question now for them to advance the storyline in 40k as well since Archaon's efforts in fantasy were pretty much the direct analogue of Abaddon's. Nothing is "automatic" but it's possible.

OK so realisitically we're bring told there's a new mark of marine armor coming and it will cause a @#$% storm.

So... possibilities:

1 - A new unit for marines a-la the centurions
2 - A complete re-do of all marines with a new armor design (highly unlikely since it would require redoing a dozen or more kits across 5 chapters)
3 - A purely aestetic change (how would that cause a @#$% storm?)
4 - A fluff change, advancing the time line, stuff actually happening (hopefully not as terri-bad as End Times)

My prediction is a combination of 1 and 4, with chapters decimated and the few survivors breaking out their Extra Cool Awesome Armor from the Forbidden Vault.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Link to the Dev concept sketches
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/544835.page

Wow. Those are awesome. I love the techmarine vibe you get from them. So much better then gakky centurions we ended up with.

Jes Goodwin really is the master of marines.

I saved those concept sketches to the gallery in case they go missing.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-45504_Space%20Marine%20Concepts%20%28games%20Day%202004%29.html

Good thinking K_K.


Is that Dorian Heresy armour from any "offical" source or was it just fan art that gained a following?

 Snrub wrote:
Good thinking K_K.


Is that Dorian Heresy armour from any "offical" source or was it just fan art that gained a following?

Work by a group of people on B&C on a what-if scenario where Dorn fell instead of Horus. So not official, but a great read IMO.

Link to PDF

They could end up re-introducing a chapter that was supposedly lost.

If I had to bet though.. they're going to re-release Space Marines as true scale. That would really screw all the proxies over.

EDIT: That would screw all the marine proxies that aren't Hi-Tech's ridiculously oversized marines over..

I think tru-scale kits are really unlikely. For as cool as they'd be, it would instantly mess with the rest of the Marine range in a big way. Tru-scale marines are terminator sized. That would mean they'd have to tru-scale every other marine model which would end up just getting ludicrous.

I would like to see a well done tru-scaled dreadnought though. A proper 6 metre behemoth.

I agree with you.. but they've claimed this will really stir things up.. so yeah.. I mean.. that would REALLY stir things up.
I also think they've been desperately searching for a way to stick it to all those companies doing proxies... and nothing would do that better than completely invalidating entire ranges by those companies.

Does it make sense? Maybe maybe not.. but remember.. these guys made it harder for stores to sell their stuff, have tried to copyright generic tropes, spent a LOT (millions or something?) on a horrible webstore, don't think 3d printing poses any sort of real competition, send out C&D letters to people who are actually promoting GW's products, and on a major anniversary elected to destroy one of their most iconic buildings.
I could go on but my point is that logic and GW and budgets.. these are not things that belong together.
Also.. when has GW not jumped at the opportunity to make moar Spesh Muhreens???

 MLaw wrote:
I also think they've been desperately searching for a way to stick it to all those companies doing proxies... and nothing would do that better than completely invalidating entire ranges by those companies.

Except it doesn't invalidate anything because they have to keep the current model range in production. There's no way GW can afford to redo their entire space marine line, and the obscene cost of doing so would far outweigh any losses they suffer from third-party variant kits. Plus, it's not like any "victory" would be a permanent one. GW would spend massive amounts of time and money to redo all of their marines, and then the third-party companies would spend less time and money redoing their own product lines to match.

don't think 3d printing poses any sort of real competition

It doesn't, at least for the foreseeable future.

and on a major anniversary elected to destroy one of their most iconic buildings.

Which building is this exactly?

Ah, you know what.. the article I read on that was wording it in a way to get clicks.. reading further from a DIFFERENT source.. GW didn't schedule the demolition.. and it's close to the 40th anniversary of that store opening not on it. It's also no longer a GW store. That's what I get from just reading summaries.
http://theimperialpatrol.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-first-gw-store-set-to-be-demolished.html

EDIT:
On all the rest of that.. of course you're right.. I'll take my silly suspicions and enjoy my drink with my wife and stop getting into silly debates over what may or may not be Cheers

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
OK so realisitically we're bring told there's a new mark of marine armor coming and it will cause a @#$% storm.

So... possibilities:

1 - A new unit for marines a-la the centurions
2 - A complete re-do of all marines with a new armor design (highly unlikely since it would require redoing a dozen or more kits across 5 chapters)
3 - A purely aestetic change (how would that cause a @#$% storm?)
4 - A fluff change, advancing the time line, stuff actually happening (hopefully not as terri-bad as End Times)

My prediction is a combination of 1 and 4, with chapters decimated and the few survivors breaking out their Extra Cool Awesome Armor from the Forbidden Vault.

It really is hard to say. A new Space Marine armor mark alone wouldn't cause a massive ****storm. After all, this thread is only at four pages right now. Something truly worthy of a ****storm would have made this thread 8+ pages by now. So, there's got to be something more. If it were just a new unit, well, what unit could it be? If the Centurions are basically Devastators 2.0, then could this new one by Assault Marines 2.0? Veterans 2.0? And if it is a 40K End Times, how would that explain a random new marine armor, anyway? It still feels like we're missing something that would explain all of this.

I'd really, really be surprised if GW introduced a new Mark of Power Armor that wasn't backwards compatible with the current range (and so, not "True Scale" or something like that).

For all of their insanely boneheaded moves in the last few years, GW has consistently maintained a strong emphasis on kitbashing with marines (and, to a lesser extent, a lot of other models--see the nicely compatible harlequin masks in the new releases). GW actively promotes the compatibility of various marine kits, and features prominently in their own publications the kitbashing of marine models by their own staff and external hobbyists.

Even in areas where GW has (IMHO) faltered on kit compatibility (lots of the character models), they have still retained a good degree of compatibility, just not with the ease of multipose plastics (you can still kitbash, but you will need to do more cutting or clipping).

I think it would be a rather drastic (and really, really stupid) step. It would also undercut a lot of the sales that they currently have (such as FW shoulderpads, their own Finecast shoulderpads, etc).

Then again, if you told me GW was going to sink Ulthuan and destroy Lustria, I would have told you to pull the other one--it has bells on it.

If they want to remake some groovy new MEQ kits that net them some nice safe IPness how about they make some new Chaos Space Marine Boxes with the old school asthetic to them?

I don't play CSM and I think that would be more worthy.

DrRansom wrote:
Other food for thought:

Would GW look at the Horus Heresy success (presumable given the large number of items) and think that there is now room for a modern Space Marine to serve as a counterpart to the 30k Space Marine?

There already is a moder SM counterpart. MkVII and MkVIII are the 'Modern' SM armour. MkVII was as early as the siege of Terra but it's the one that's used 'now'.

Potentially they could release these as 'true scale' marines. Hence the change to 32mm bases as well.

Changing the scale of marines would have more impact on the game/hobby than simply introducing new marks of wargear. Compatibility between existing Space Marine kits including Forgeworld kits would be gone or, at the very least, flimsy.

Operating at a new scale would mean not just the introduction of mark IX armor variants either as stand-alone kits for building entire squads or an additional spruce/bits to existing and future boxes, it would mean the entirety of Space Marine would need to be redone in this new scale. Assuming GW would want to keep things uniform and would not be content to have big marines next to little marines.

I don't even know how many boxes of stuff they'd have to throw out and scratch build. So I'm definitely in the camp that believes this will not be the case, no scale change, I mean.