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2015/07/27 04:35:24
Subject: Re:Horus Heresy Plastic Space Marines by GW CONFIRMED (images 1st post)
Do you think these plastic kits will look the same as their resin equivalents? It was be bad if they were a different size.
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2015/07/27 07:07:33
Subject: Horus Heresy Plastic Space Marines by GW CONFIRMED (images 1st post)
Weapon options are missile launcher, heavy bolter, graviton gun, flamer and plasma gun, with quite a few options for the sergeant and even a Vexilla to boot.
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2015/07/27 07:42:27
Subject: Re:Horus Heresy Plastic Space Marines by GW CONFIRMED (images 1st post)
There are 8 Xenos races, Tau, Eldar, Harlequins, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Orks, Nids, and Daemons..
There are a grand total of 5 marine factions, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, and Vanilla marines.
For the most part the Marine factions, play quite differently from one another. While marines get to tool around in rhino's with Land Raiders, and predators (which they have been doing for decades) Tau have been getting Riptides and new flyers, Necrons have been given 2 new flyers and a bunch of other new kits. Eldar have been given Wraithknights, and Nids have been given cool new flyers among other things, Orks and Dark Eldar haven't been left out and Daemons have a new D Weapon toting bloodthirster.
Space Marines have been given a 5 different new flyers, centurions, and a couple new razorback options over 5 different armies.
Space Marines sell, the Horus Heresy is popular. If you think GW would be better off making a few new units for the Xenos races and scrapping the Horus Heresy you really don't understand how it works.
Lalala cannot hear you, In 30K there were only marines! and sometimes imperial guard were allowed to do something! Titans and spaceships were attached to legions, so unbound is OK! There where some alien races at the beginning of the HH but they where of no impact, Tau didn't exist, Squat? There Are no Squats! Eldar were still reeling from the impact of slaneesh's birth. Necron's were still dormant, tyranid have not arrived yet.
Lalala cannot hear you, In 30K there were only marines! and sometimes imperial guard were allowed to do something! Titans and spaceships were attached to legions, so unbound is OK! There where some alien races at the beginning of the HH but they where of no impact, Tau didn't exist, Squat? There Are no Squats! Eldar were still reeling from the impact of slaneesh's birth. Necron's were still dormant, tyranid have not arrived yet.
...aren't you agreeing with him? Or are you making fun of people who who don't agree?
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2015/07/27 08:00:41
Subject: Re:Horus Heresy Plastic Space Marines by GW CONFIRMED (images 1st post)
And despite this are run differently, release better products, act like adults when it comes to previews and advertising, produce higher quality books (miles better quality) and seem to have their collective heads on straight when it comes to basically everything they do. So yeah, FW is part of GW in the same way the heart and the appendix are part of your body, but one is infinitely more useful than the other.
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Heliodore wrote: Nice! I hope these end up reasonably more affordable than their FW counter parts. I have a small collection of HH models from FW that I've only bought via rule of cool, so not for creating a viable army list. I hope these plastics can help change that!
You, me and everyone else! I think the price will be the make or break point. If GW tries to get FW prices for their stuff, they'll shoot themselves in the foot. If the prices are in line with the other starters, I will probably buy 2, though I already have 50 MK IVs and 20 Mk IIIs. It's not like you can ever have enough marines, right? :O
Hehe, as they say, a man can dream! Dream hard! Yeah, I would hope, at the least, that if there is indeed a starter box, it will be in line with past boxes, but I won't hold my breath and probably just save up for that Mastodon!
I'd be happy to have a plastic Contemptor. Even if it's just monopose. The resin one is a massive pain in the arse to assemble (legs wise anyway). Took me a good while to pose it without it looking like an idiot.
angelofvengeance wrote: I'd be happy to have a plastic Contemptor. Even if it's just monopose. The resin one is a massive pain in the arse to assemble (legs wise anyway). Took me a good while to pose it without it looking like an idiot.
Indeed. I would take monopose as long as I can customize it into a C-Mortis. I ended up having to pin the legs on my contemptor in place, I could not get the damn thing to stay glued together.
Hopefully the Contemptor will be more like the tactical squad and not be monopose.
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BrookM wrote: Resin Contemptor legs are bad, but the assault cannon is an outright hate-crime to assemble.
This. Basically as long as the plastic contemptor resembles the resin one, it is automatically an improvement.
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And despite this are run differently, release better products, act like adults when it comes to previews and advertising, produce higher quality books (miles better quality) and seem to have their collective heads on straight when it comes to basically everything they do. So yeah, FW is part of GW in the same way the heart and the appendix are part of your body, but one is infinitely more useful than the other.
Money still goes to the same place, Games Workshop Ltd. If someone boycotts GW and then buys FW they are deluding themselves. I personally believe that GW deliberately keep the Forge World website separate to maintain the illusion that they are different companies, very strange that so many people buy into the illusion.
2015/07/27 10:02:45
Subject: Horus Heresy Plastic Space Marines by GW CONFIRMED (images 1st post)
BrookM wrote: Weapon options are missile launcher, heavy bolter, graviton gun, flamer and plasma gun, with quite a few options for the sergeant and even a Vexilla to boot.
Brook I think you will find that there is no Grav gun it s actually a 30k version of the melta gun.
I wish they had put in a right and left hand powerfists. and a second lighting claw attachment.
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2015/07/27 10:16:30
Subject: Re:Horus Heresy Plastic Space Marines by GW CONFIRMED (images 1st post)
And despite this are run differently, release better products, act like adults when it comes to previews and advertising, produce higher quality books (miles better quality) and seem to have their collective heads on straight when it comes to basically everything they do. So yeah, FW is part of GW in the same way the heart and the appendix are part of your body, but one is infinitely more useful than the other.
Money still goes to the same place, Games Workshop Ltd. If someone boycotts GW and then buys FW they are deluding themselves. I personally believe that GW deliberately keep the Forge World website separate to maintain the illusion that they are different companies, very strange that so many people buy into the illusion.
I think in the haste to repeat an argument, you overlooked that a) he already gave you ample examples of why it was more than an illusion, and b) not everyone had your agenda.
Yes, the money goes to the same but the rules are totally different. As long as GW keeps those different rules, and you are giving money to one regime but not the other, you are a) getting what you want and b) you are communicating. You might think that your communication goes unheard but again, as long as one gives you what you want and one does not, I see no reason to shy away from both.
Unless your aim was total boycot of the Gdub business. But not everyone is on that end point of a continuum of opinions about how to deal with GW.
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2015/07/27 10:20:27
Subject: Re:Horus Heresy Plastic Space Marines by GW CONFIRMED (images 1st post)
Originally Posted by Scribe of Khorne
So tell me hastings, are we looking at an AoS type moment here, or is GW going to let FW keep steering the HH ship?
If AoS style rules reboots are incoming...in a few months? I'll likely lose my ****.
I don't know TBH, I'll share what I have heard, but this dates back a while as I pay very little interest to GW now.
I heard that 30k HH would be a boxed standalone game (like execution force was) and that the plastics contained within it would go on to form part of a larger 30k range and would be released some time later as individual box sets/clampacks, I was told that rules would be in those boxes, but that some boxes would contain rules for 30k AND 40k (and these boxes have BOTH logos on - yes there is a new 30k logo) so I assume it will be using a different ruleset to 40k (as there would be no point having rules for both systems in boxes if they were both the same). I was also told the plastic assassins would get clampack releases later and be released as part of the main 40k range..... as the box set is pretty much still quite widely available I don't expect this to be soon, although I never had a timeframe in the first case.
As for your AoS style rule reboot question - I remember being told to expect 40k codexes (codices?) to be a thing of the past within 2 years, and that the rules would be in the box for each model/unit, but there would still be a core ruleset which the in box rules would obviously add to. I've not bought any AoS releases (nor do I intend to) so I don't know if they have rules in the boxes (seems daft as when rules got FAQ'd (lol) or changed they'd need to repack ALL the boxes - seems even dafter that anything would actually bother with rules for AoS!!) or just online? I am going to leap to the conclusion that 40k probably WILL become more simplified like AoS, mainly because GW no longer see themselves as rules/games writers but just model sellers. How much more simplified I wouldn't hazard a guess at. Whatever they decide to do you can bet it's in the pipeline already, because myself and Harry were privately discussing the changes to WFB almost 3 years ago - I was told it was being canned and whilst we thought that was not the case and that AoS would be a continuation or refresh of it WFB HAS actually been canned and REPLACED by AoS, so these things are planned well ahead.
FW make huge sales from HH, there was no way that GW weren't going to want in on the action! I expect FW to still produce the big kits/characters/customising kits but GW will provide the bulk of the models needed to play 30k. We can only hope that GW let FW handle the 30k rules/books and they just make the models for it. But keep in mind I was told that when the 30k RANGE hits the stores (not the standalone box game but the actual range) it will take over the store space that used to be taken up by LotR/Hobbit, so GW may want to keep tight hold of the reigns even though they are no longer committed to producing games?
That's probably done very little to answer you, but it's the best I can manage and hopefully slightly informative if only a repost of what I wrote in January.
Originally Posted by lbecks
The character kit has two guys in it. ......
Indeed. Maybe those are the 2 characters from the starter/standalone box that might only be available in that box...... or something
*EDIT.
Having thought about this I think the unit/model rules for 30k & 40k will be online/WD rather than actually inside the box kits (I may have misinterpreted what my source said).
Also I should point out that as I understand it 40k and 30k will be very different games/rulesets, so it may be that 40k becomes like AoS and 30k is handled by FW (although this is just wishful thinking on the behalf of hobbyists the world over!).
Of course I may be completely wrong...... because that happens a lot
BrookM wrote: Weapon options are missile launcher, heavy bolter, graviton gun, flamer and plasma gun, with quite a few options for the sergeant and even a Vexilla to boot.
Specials are Plasma, Flamer and Melta. No graviton, sadly.
2015/07/27 10:38:25
Subject: Re:Horus Heresy Plastic Space Marines by GW CONFIRMED (images 1st post)
Also, the rumoured starter set was two praetors, 40 marines, 10 terminators and 2 contemptors. It looks like the two praetors have been spotted. Still struggle to believe they would include all that in one starter, at least not at the £75 range.
I don't think it was 40 marines, for some reason I thought it was 30. But the other figures look right.
Slightly dissapointing to see that the plastics keep doing all legs in that classic semi-squatting pose. (I suppose it might be a necessity for plastic molding and not an artistic choice).
Still it'll be a good product for bulking out Mk IV squads "cheaply"
Slinky wrote: I can't tell from the pics - I hope they have FW-style Mk IV helmets rather than the (IMHO) silly-looking GW-style...
I think they're the FW ones, which I agree are vastly superior. I'm also not overly happy with the legs, the FW poses are a lot better, but I'm hoping these will be a more reasonably priced way to bulk out a force. And I really hope GW are sensible enough to leave the books and rules to FW.
2015/07/27 11:53:44
Subject: Re:Horus Heresy Plastic Space Marines by GW CONFIRMED (images 1st post)
Slinky wrote: I can't tell from the pics - I hope they have FW-style Mk IV helmets rather than the (IMHO) silly-looking GW-style...
Agreed. I love the FW pseudo-Stormtrooper mask rather than the GW elephant trunk mask. Even if they are the elephant trunks, I will probably order a bunch of the FW helmets to replace them. Man, now I REALLY want to get these to make my Crimson Fists Honour Guard, the Maximus Pattern is my favorite armor mark (tied with Mk. VII/VIII).
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