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Honestly I never even CONSIDERED trying 30k/Horace Hershey's Horus Heresy before for all the typical Forge World-related reasons in addition to a chronic fear of dealing with resin minis (I've heard the horror stories and I'm not sure any amount of "It's not that bad!" will ever completely purge them from my mind) as well as seeming to be a barely-existing side thingy.
BUT plastic minis and stuff from GW rather than Forgery World puts that at least into the realm of possibility.

Then again, still not sure I'd do it, considering 40k's already pretty pricey for me...

 gorgon wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
It makes sense, they would sell like hot cakes.

Yep. And allow more people to get into 30K, which is one of the very best things GW has done in a long time.

If you like Marines.

Eh, a few years too late and one edition after I stopped caring for the most part. I can't see myself buying normal sized marines ever again in bulk and definitely not a whole boxed set. In any case, I'm glad for the folks that aren't as jaded that want the sets of older armor along with HH rules in all likelihood.

Added the images to the first post and also housed them on Dakka for the work-blocked.

Enjoy.

Rihgu wrote:
I thought that Legion Tactical Squads couldn't take special or heavy weapons? Why would this kit come with them?

Because GW doesn't care what FW wrote would be my explanation.

OMFG. I'm so in. The Praetor/Centurion sprue looks phenomenal.

Outside of the terminator, it almost looks like a souped up "anniversary" version of the original boxed set.

Not sure about all the HH elements- these are at least MK 5 on. At least the backpacks do. Don't see much of MK3 which is what I love.

So, all Mk IV, which isn't really what I'm looking for to add on to the 30k Salamanders I'm working on. BUT, this could nicely fit into the urge I've been having to do some side work on Alpha Legion.


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 Moopy wrote:
Outside of the terminator, it almost looks like a souped up "anniversary" version of the original boxed set.

Not sure about all the HH elements- these are at least MK 5 on. At least the backpacks do. Don't see much of MK3 which is what I love.

Nope, those breastplates are pure Mk IV. Mk IV has a very distinctive shape to the chest, the lower portion in particular.

 Moopy wrote:
Outside of the terminator, it almost looks like a souped up "anniversary" version of the original boxed set.

Not sure about all the HH elements- these are at least MK 5 on. At least the backpacks do. Don't see much of MK3 which is what I love.

Sorry, but they are Mark IV, not V.

Agreed. It is Mark VI armor. Looks like I'll be having a full company soon.

If it does have non-40K rules, them I'm convinced that it will have the AoS rules tweaked for 30K.

 Dentry wrote:
Lord only knows how many Bothans these pictures cost.

All the Bothans.

And Manny Both-Hanz.



As amazing as it is to see Heresy plastics, it really does feel like GW has nowhere left to go but the grave. Also, how many people besides me had a long term, somewhat expensive, sort-of half-completed Heresy Era conversion project in a box in the closet on the table? Probably tens of thousands, right? That's going to generate some rage quit somewhere.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Legion Veteran Tactical Squads *can* take special weapons. That said, if we're seeing plastic HH, it's unthinkable that we won't also see some kind of mainstream GW book - which will probably do away with the bolter-only tactical squads of the FW series.


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 Yodhrin wrote:
Hah. Assuming they're real, someone at GWHQ has evidently decided we need to be distracted from the AoS trainwreck.

Underling: "Milord, Milord, the nerds are revolting!"
GW Exec: "Hahah, yes, very good underling, they are indeed revolting, supine creatures, worthy only of derision and scor..
U: "No Milord, I mean they are in revolt! It appears that many are not quite as eager to indulge their hobby of buying our products when the product in question is Age of Sigmar."
GW: "CURSES! Will these beasts never be satisfied?! Over and over we give them new things to buy, at ever increasing prices so they can prove to lesser nerds that they are better as they can afford to own the Porche of miniatures, and this is the thanks they give us?! Fine, fine, leak a few pics of the Heresy plastic sprues, that should pop them back into their normal comatose compliance!"
U: "A cunning and masterful plan Milord, I shall attend to it at once!"

I'll wait for better pics, and for the sprues of the rumoured Cataphractii Terminators(assuming they exist and that rumour wasn't spawned by the character already shown).

You say "evidently" but there's actually no evidence of that. But you know, let's all whine about Age of Sigmar some more, har de har har!

If you think that mild pisstake is "whining" I'd advise you put yourself on the transplant list as soon as you can, you're evidently in dire need of a new sense of humour.

If you thought that was funny...the dire need may be yours.

Time to let go of the Age of Sigmar stuff, methinks. The circle jerk you're looking for can be found in other threads. Not this one.

This is quite possibly the smartest decision Games Workshop has ever made.

Honestly it is.

What from I am seeing this is most certainly mk IV. At closer look there is a plasma gun, melta gun, flamer, heavy bolter, and missile launcher in there, as well as several bits for combi weapons.

That is good for kitting out Veteran Tacticals and well as standard tacticals., there is so much potential here for crossover usage. Good for 40k and 30k.

The main thing prohibiting people from starting a 30k army was the cost of the basic troop, over a 100 US for 10 marines when you need to field at least 30-40 marines, thats just to damn much for most people to pay for your basic troops. If this is priced well you can get HQ, Elite, and Troop choices out of this box. It can't be anywhere near a hundred for this set. Getting close to that price would be a huge mistake, because the resin models are just better.

The heresy snobs won't like this. GW hogging into their precious Forgeworld. I love Forge World don't get me wrong, but some of the costs associated with a Heresy army are just ridiculous. The quality is there, but the cost is just to much.

This allows people to get the troops they need, and the augment their legion with the resin crack, most of us 30k players love.

I have close to 9000 points of prehersy Imperial Fists and this will help me start either a Word Bearers or Space Wolf legion army.

30k is amazing people, it honestly is. I am not blowing smoke it just is.

As for those of you Xenos players I will address that next.

Relapse wrote:
Agreed. It is Mark VI armor. Looks like I'll be having a full company soon.

They're going to bug me if I can't mix and match. But if I ever get around to building that adversary force of UMs...this might be a great way to build the core at a more reasonable price.

Nice! I hope these end up reasonably more affordable than their FW counter parts. I have a small collection of HH models from FW that I've only bought via rule of cool, so not for creating a viable army list. I hope these plastics can help change that!

 Heliodore wrote:
Nice! I hope these end up reasonably more affordable than their FW counter parts.

I sense you will be disappointed

If Age of Sigmar prices are any indication GW thinks plastic is costier than resin.

TO MUCH SPACE MARINES!!!!!

seriously get over yourselves.

There are 8 Xenos races, Tau, Eldar, Harlequins, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Orks, Nids, and Daemons..

There are a grand total of 5 marine factions, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, and Vanilla marines.

For the most part the Marine factions, play quite differently from one another. While marines get to tool around in rhino's with Land Raiders, and predators (which they have been doing for decades) Tau have been getting Riptides and new flyers, Necrons have been given 2 new flyers and a bunch of other new kits. Eldar have been given Wraithknights, and Nids have been given cool new flyers among other things, Orks and Dark Eldar haven't been left out and Daemons have a new D Weapon toting bloodthirster.

Space Marines have been given a 5 different new flyers, centurions, and a couple new razorback options over 5 different armies.

Space Marines sell, the Horus Heresy is popular. If you think GW would be better off making a few new units for the Xenos races and scrapping the Horus Heresy you really don't understand how it works.

 Heliodore wrote:
Nice! I hope these end up reasonably more affordable than their FW counter parts. I have a small collection of HH models from FW that I've only bought via rule of cool, so not for creating a viable army list. I hope these plastics can help change that!

You, me and everyone else! I think the price will be the make or break point. If GW tries to get FW prices for their stuff, they'll shoot themselves in the foot. If the prices are in line with the other starters, I will probably buy 2, though I already have 50 MK IVs and 20 Mk IIIs. It's not like you can ever have enough marines, right? :O

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
As amazing as it is to see Heresy plastics, it really does feel like GW has nowhere left to go but the grave. Also, how many people besides me had a long term, somewhat expensive, sort-of half-completed Heresy Era conversion project in a box in the closet on the table? Probably tens of thousands, right? That's going to generate some rage quit somewhere.

I dunno how many would rage quit versus shrugging their shoulders and buying the new stuff, but I think more would just shrug and buy.
For example, I have a 40k-scale Leviathan super-heavy tank I have been working on for two years, and if GW up and released a plastic Leviathan kit tomorrow I'd buy it in an instant. I don't think I am alone in that mindset, either, because at the end of the day convenience and impatience are extremely strong motivators.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
I thought that Legion Tactical Squads couldn't take special or heavy weapons? Why would this kit come with them?

Because GW doesn't care what FW wrote would be my explanation.

I'm surprised nobody else seems to understand this. It is their M.O., after all.

 Breotan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
I thought that Legion Tactical Squads couldn't take special or heavy weapons? Why would this kit come with them?

Because GW doesn't care what FW wrote would be my explanation.

I'm surprised nobody else seems to understand this. It is their M.O., after all.

Oh I agree. I just hope they keep their mitts off the FW HH books/game. But it is GW....
I am just stoked to see HH plastics. They look great.

Time to start my Word Bearers

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
As amazing as it is to see Heresy plastics, it really does feel like GW has nowhere left to go but the grave. Also, how many people besides me had a long term, somewhat expensive, sort-of half-completed Heresy Era conversion project in a box in the closet on the table? Probably tens of thousands, right? That's going to generate some rage quit somewhere.

I dunno how many would rage quit versus shrugging their shoulders and buying the new stuff, but I think more would just shrug and buy.
For example, I have a 40k-scale Leviathan super-heavy tank I have been working on for two years, and if GW up and released a plastic Leviathan kit tomorrow I'd buy it in an instant. I don't think I am alone in that mindset, either, because at the end of the day convenience and impatience are extremely strong motivators.

Yeah, I don't see that happening. I've had a truescale project that I've been taking off and putting on the burner for years but I'm not going to cry if GW decided to finally make actual 8ft tall marines for 40k (instead of AOS of course). Will there be someone out there who rage quits because they just spent way more than they should in time and money to get the exact bits they wanted when now they could have just bought them in one order? Sure... just like there were some folks pissed that they did just that with plastic bits from all the various marine flavors to get HH squads and then FW just came out with them... but that was a quick flash in the pan and it's been raking in money ever since.

 Moopy wrote:

Not sure about all the HH elements- these are at least MK 5 on. At least the backpacks do.

Mk4 never had its own backpack, the original sculpt came with the plastic Mk5/6 backpack whilst the second variant came with the old* plastic Mk7 backpack. Forge World copied this with the initial sculpt having a straight up copy of the Mk5/6, then switching to a straight up copy of the old Mk7 backpack. This pack appears to be a cross between the old and new Mk7.

* usually just referred to as the 'second edition' backpack, though in truth it was made for the Space Marine Strike Force box several years before 2nd edition came out.

 warboss wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
As amazing as it is to see Heresy plastics, it really does feel like GW has nowhere left to go but the grave. Also, how many people besides me had a long term, somewhat expensive, sort-of half-completed Heresy Era conversion project in a box in the closet on the table? Probably tens of thousands, right? That's going to generate some rage quit somewhere.

I dunno how many would rage quit versus shrugging their shoulders and buying the new stuff, but I think more would just shrug and buy.
For example, I have a 40k-scale Leviathan super-heavy tank I have been working on for two years, and if GW up and released a plastic Leviathan kit tomorrow I'd buy it in an instant. I don't think I am alone in that mindset, either, because at the end of the day convenience and impatience are extremely strong motivators.

Yeah, I don't see that happening. I've had a truescale project that I've been taking off and putting on the burner for years but I'm not going to cry if GW decided to finally make actual 8ft tall marines for 40k (instead of AOS of course). Will there be someone out there who rage quits because they just spent way more than they should in time and money to get the exact bits they wanted when now they could have just bought them in one order? Sure... just like there were some folks pissed that they did just that with plastic bits from all the various marine flavors to get HH squads and then FW just came out with them... but that was a quick flash in the pan and it's been raking in money ever since.

I don't mean ten thousand rage quits, but even a small percentage looks bigger when taken from a pool so large.

Hopefully there will be the plastic Contemptor that was said to be coming. I would make a new Mortis so fast heads would spin. Toss a Terminator Cyclone Missile Launcher on for good measure.

Now, the real question is if I want to make these into Crimson Fists or make a 30K Legion. And then which Legion? Do I stick with the Fists and make Imperial Fists or do I make a different Legion?

I might get them and paint them as Crimson Fists, but say this is a Post-HH Second Founding company. Then get Alexis Polux and paint him in Blue and Red.

 Abanshee wrote:
Time to start my Word Bearers

LOL me too. They would go great with my Sons Of Horus. Of course, the wife will kill me....

Not interested even a bit. I would still rather give my money to FW than GW.

 Yaraton wrote:
Not interested even a bit. I would still rather give my money to FW than GW.

So you would rather give your money to GW than GW?

I might use these to make some Veterans or Honour Guard. They look pretty nice, and that antique armor look is perfect for Honour Guard.