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Cool, some nice choices there for non-space marines. Sounds like a solid book especially when combined with titans and UM. You basically get three flavors/levels of power for the imperium.

 von Hohenstein wrote:
2points/model will by you

2 2 3 3 1 3 6 6+
with a assault1 18'' S3 DS- gun.
(no orders, no heavy weapons, no special weapons, no priests, no commisars)
Unit size 20-50

I guess that's ok.

Hmm, so looking at being able to fit ~700 soldiers in a 1500pt list...
Although I don't even want to consider the financial cost of that.
I wonder if there are enough bolter shots in a 1500pt Legion list to clear that off the board. Fury of the Legion would come in handy!

They are actually about as good, maybe marginally better than the 3pt/model Renegades in IA13, so I'm guessing that FW considers that unit less valuable in the context of 30k.

 Haighus wrote:

 von Hohenstein wrote:
2points/model will by you

2 2 3 3 1 3 6 6+
with a assault1 18'' S3 DS- gun.
(no orders, no heavy weapons, no special weapons, no priests, no commisars)
Unit size 20-50

I guess that's ok.

Hmm, so looking at being able to fit ~700 soldiers in a 1500pt list...
Although I don't even want to consider the financial cost of that.
I wonder if there are enough bolter shots in a 1500pt Legion list to clear that off the board. Fury of the Legion would come in handy!

They are actually about as good, maybe marginally better than the 3pt/model Renegades in IA13, so I'm guessing that FW considers that unit less valuable in the context of 30k.

Hahaha, a use for the Rotor Cannons after all! That's a proper target rich environment.

Also, in some cases, the weapon upgrade is the same cost, regardless of how big a squad is. So taking a squad of Levy that is 50 strong costs you a mere 100 pts, on top of which you can give them either lascarbines or laslocks for an additional 10 pts.

Slap on a cheap medic, a discipline master if you're feeling ballsy, Discipline Collars (unit becomes stubborn, but if you roll a double 6 for morale purposes, the entire unit is wiped out)

I haven't read the militia/cults list myself, but from everything I've read on the Heresy 30K site, it's the provenances that really make it fun. It's pretty much like getting doctrines back. A big ol' mob of crazed levies sounds like great allies for my WE (eventually).

And it has to be said that this list should make it easier than ever to port 40K IG into 30K.

The Provenances are bought as upgrades for your force commander, so if you want to use those, you'll need to get that guy as your HQ.

You can have up to two bought for your army.

Still no Warlord Titan :( I emailed them for a time frame and they just said "soon" :(

iNcontroL wrote:
Still no Warlord Titan :( I emailed them for a time frame and they just said "soon" :(

When did FW get taken over by Prodos...."Soon"

 Theophony wrote:

iNcontroL wrote:
Still no Warlord Titan :( I emailed them for a time frame and they just said "soon" :(

When did FW get taken over by Prodos...."Soon"

They are killing me man.. so excited for it. Emailed em again lobbying my ePeen this time. Hoping for a ballpark at least.

 zedmeister wrote:

 von Hohenstein wrote:
And you can have a Earthshaker platform for 75 Points. W7 4W and 3+ THAT is pretty badass.

Shame they don't sell it anymore...

What about this:

 BrookM wrote:
Also, in some cases, the weapon upgrade is the same cost, regardless of how big a squad is. So taking a squad of Levy that is 50 strong costs you a mere 100 pts, on top of which you can give them either lascarbines or laslocks for an additional 10 pts.

Slap on a cheap medic, a discipline master if you're feeling ballsy, Discipline Collars (unit becomes stubborn, but if you roll a double 6 for morale purposes, the entire unit is wiped out)

Don't you need the abhuman doctrine for discipline collars or can Levi squads buy them anyway?

I love the idea of taking tainted flesh and feral warriors. But with that ld I might go abhuman instead of feral just for the collars.

 bubber wrote:
What about {earthsaker gun}

That's the correct model. The earthshaker artillery unit with wounds and crew models is the modern model/rules, and you can buy it from FW whenever you want. The OOP platform was an immobile vehicle with completely different rules.

 Peregrine wrote:

 bubber wrote:
What about {earthsaker gun}

That's the correct model. The earthshaker artillery unit with wounds and crew models is the modern model/rules, and you can buy it from FW whenever you want. The OOP platform was an immobile vehicle with completely different rules.

Aye, it'd work. Not quite the same model I had in mind though... I was thinking they were referring to the platform. Wasn't it recently updated in the new siege of Vraks book, but only for the Hydra platform?

 Lockark wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Also, in some cases, the weapon upgrade is the same cost, regardless of how big a squad is. So taking a squad of Levy that is 50 strong costs you a mere 100 pts, on top of which you can give them either lascarbines or laslocks for an additional 10 pts.

Slap on a cheap medic, a discipline master if you're feeling ballsy, Discipline Collars (unit becomes stubborn, but if you roll a double 6 for morale purposes, the entire unit is wiped out)

Don't you need the abhuman doctrine for discipline collars or can Levi squads buy them anyway?

I love the idea of taking tainted flesh and feral warriors. But with that ld I might go abhuman instead of feral just for the collars.

Levy squads can have the collars as an upgrade standard.

The Ab-Human provenance merely allows other units to also take the discipline collar.


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Also, unless I'm missing something here, the point cost for the Rogue Psykers is not present.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 bubber wrote:
What about {earthsaker gun}

That's the correct model. The earthshaker artillery unit with wounds and crew models is the modern model/rules, and you can buy it from FW whenever you want. The OOP platform was an immobile vehicle with completely different rules.

Aye, it'd work. Not quite the same model I had in mind though... I was thinking they were referring to the platform. Wasn't it recently updated in the new siege of Vraks book, but only for the Hydra platform?

Got it... you're talking about this one, aren't you?

Also, as cool as it looks, I'd definitely prefer FW to keep making the wheeled version, partly because the legged variant is an easy conversion.

 -Shrike- wrote:

Got it... you're talking about this one, aren't you?

Aye, that be the one. I still kind of like it, though would prefer the manticore platform given a choice. In the modern rules it'd probably just have the standard artillery rules either way. Doubt it'd have any armour values or such like. As an aside, and on the subject of lost FW projects, I did hear that FW were planning to make the Skyshaker Platform in 40k scale at one point:

Bad days ahead - I was already sick of the Word Bearers, but now we're heading into All Word Bearers All The Time, aren't we?!?

 Alpharius wrote:
Bad days ahead - I was already sick of the Word Bearers, but now we're heading into All Word Bearers All The Time, aren't we?!?

Why?

 Alpharius wrote:
Bad days ahead - I was already sick of the Word Bearers, but now we're heading into All Word Bearers All The Time, aren't we?!?

They may tackle the ten year war underneath Calth at a later date and do another campaign book instead, hopefully something involving the Blood Angels or the like.

 -Shrike- wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 bubber wrote:
What about {earthsaker gun}

That's the correct model. The earthshaker artillery unit with wounds and crew models is the modern model/rules, and you can buy it from FW whenever you want. The OOP platform was an immobile vehicle with completely different rules.

Aye, it'd work. Not quite the same model I had in mind though... I was thinking they were referring to the platform. Wasn't it recently updated in the new siege of Vraks book, but only for the Hydra platform?

Got it... you're talking about this one, aren't you?

Also, as cool as it looks, I'd definitely prefer FW to keep making the wheeled version, partly because the legged variant is an easy conversion.

God that's not OOP is it? I remember going over to WW with the local store organising a trip and doubles tournament vs GW Dublin to raise some extra revenue. I got Tyberos and a Grey Knights Dread and my team mate got this thing here. It was only 4 years ago but you saying its OOP makes it seem like decades

 BrookM wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Also, in some cases, the weapon upgrade is the same cost, regardless of how big a squad is. So taking a squad of Levy that is 50 strong costs you a mere 100 pts, on top of which you can give them either lascarbines or laslocks for an additional 10 pts.

Slap on a cheap medic, a discipline master if you're feeling ballsy, Discipline Collars (unit becomes stubborn, but if you roll a double 6 for morale purposes, the entire unit is wiped out)

Don't you need the abhuman doctrine for discipline collars or can Levi squads buy them anyway?

I love the idea of taking tainted flesh and feral warriors. But with that ld I might go abhuman instead of feral just for the collars.

Levy squads can have the collars as an upgrade standard.

The Ab-Human provenance merely allows other units to also take the discipline collar.


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Also, unless I'm missing something here, the point cost for the Rogue Psykers is not present.

Yah I've heard other people mention they have none listed. I guess till its faq'd their free!

 Alpharius wrote:
Bad days ahead - I was already sick of the Word Bearers, but now we're heading into All Word Bearers All The Time, aren't we?!?

Nah, you get angry marines and smurfs as well as some not IG plus "I can't believe it's not a 3 up of a Knight" Titan. The word bearers will be around for probably a year though given their current release schedule and them splitting the whole ultramar thing into multiple books. In the grim darkness of the future, there is only plot stagnation.

 zedmeister wrote:


Aye, that be the one. I still kind of like it, though would prefer the manticore platform given a choice. In the modern rules it'd probably just have the standard artillery rules either way. Doubt it'd have any armour values or such like. As an aside, and on the subject of lost FW projects, I did hear that FW were planning to make the Skyshaker Platform in 40k scale at one point:

I was wondering, when 6th came out, how the rules for them would work (if they were ever made/I converted some myself). I was thinking a "Flak blast" rule, where the gun has to declare it is firing at flying targets, and then otherwise follows the rules for blast weapons, except it can target Flyers and FMC, but the blast template can only hit Flyers or FMC that are under the template, even when scattering. Would make for a powerful tool for downing flyers, especially large ones that would be hard to scatter off, like Valkyries.

Seeing as the normal platform, the Manticore and the Hydra are discontinued, I doubt that it will ever appear though.

 Alpharius wrote:
Bad days ahead - I was already sick of the Word Bearers, but now we're heading into All Word Bearers All The Time, aren't we?!?

I'm not going to lie. I've moved past feeling spoiled into feeling bad for the lack of releases for those with Book 3 Legions.

 warboss wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Bad days ahead - I was already sick of the Word Bearers, but now we're heading into All Word Bearers All The Time, aren't we?!?

Nah, you get angry marines and smurfs as well as some not IG plus "I can't believe it's not a 3 up of a Knight" Titan. The word bearers will be around for probably a year though given their current release schedule and them splitting the whole ultramar thing into multiple books. In the grim darkness of the future, there is only plot stagnation.

Sadly, you're probably right!

Sabre Defence Platforms, one with a searchlight and another with a twin linked lascannon are both dedicated AA weapons, aren't they?

Those militias sound like amazing allied fodder and real fun to convert.

Finally have a purpose for all those damn cultists...


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What's the basic squad size for levies and militias?

Most fodder squads have a basic size of 20 models. The Levy squad can be expanded to 50 models tops and on top of that you can also attach stuff like medics for FNP and pseudo-Commissars for rerolls of Ld checks.

Will we see models for these nrw rules or is it a case of proxy them?t

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Will we see models for these nrw rules or is it a case of proxy them?t

I imagine proxies, the point of the list is to represent the whole galaxies different militia/armies/PDFs/cults etc. there's not really a standard force for them.