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The fact that something is killable, doesnt mean its balanced, you can kill every unit in the game, does that mean every unit is balanced?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
The fact that something is killable, doesnt mean its balanced, you can kill every unit in the game, does that mean every unit is balanced?

Come on, don't tell me you buy the hype about the Wave Serpent?

There is nothing inherently broken about it.

What army are you playing that you have a hard time with the Wave Serpent?

Character is a model type, Independent Character is a special rule.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
The fact that something is killable, doesnt mean its balanced, you can kill every unit in the game, does that mean every unit is balanced?

Come on, don't tell me you buy the hype about the Wave Serpent?

There is nothing inherently broken about it.

What army are you playing that you have a hard time with the Wave Serpent?

Its far beyond hype when been proven that the Wave Serpent is worth far more than its cost

Guys, the Wave Serpent argument has already been had a million times in as many places. Can we please keep this thread on topic?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
The fact that something is killable, doesnt mean its balanced, you can kill every unit in the game, does that mean every unit is balanced?

Come on, don't tell me you buy the hype about the Wave Serpent?

There is nothing inherently broken about it.

What army are you playing that you have a hard time with the Wave Serpent?

Its far beyond hype when been proven that the Wave Serpent is worth far more than its cost

"proven" I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Arguably, the Wave Serpent is on par with the IG Valkyrie in terms of power level. And for fluff reasons, why shouldn't the ancient race have a near-perfected frontline combat vehicle? They've been around longer than the Imperium, the theory is sound that they've had more ample time to perfect their technology.

It fits, deal with it, quit acting like there isn't something nearly exactly like it in an IoM list somewhere.

I refuse to continue discussing the Eldar Wave Serpent in a thread about the Chaos Daemonkin release.

Back on topic, I'm just about as eager to see if we're finally getting new berserker models in that warband box. because those models on the box look very different from the zerkers we have now, or even bloodletters.

Is there a better picture of the box somewhere? From the Blog for the Blood God picture, the size is too small and there's far too much glare for me to tell anything about it.

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Is there a better picture of the box somewhere? From the Blog for the Blood God picture, the size is too small and there's far too much glare for me to tell anything about it.

Nothing yet. I kind of expect more pictures to be coming soon, but either way I have a copy reserved I'll be getting this weekend.

Is this from This week's white dwarf weekly? If so, I might get one just to scan and enlarge the image myself.

Games workshop has never put a new unit kit into an army/battleforce discount set at its first release during the last 5 years. There are no new Berzerker models! Not now and not next week (first AdMech week - see leaked images ). You got punk'd by Bols and Steve the Warboss/Natfka

Oh my gosh, the Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster has Soul Blaze! *squeals with excitement*

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

Arguably, the Wave Serpent is on par with the IG Valkyrie in terms of power level. And for fluff reasons, why shouldn't the ancient race have a near-perfected frontline combat vehicle? They've been around longer than the Imperium, the theory is sound that they've had more ample time to perfect their technology.

It fits, deal with it, quit acting like there isn't something nearly exactly like it in an IoM list somewhere.

I wasn't going to wade into this, but... The issue isn't that the Wave Serpent is too good as a unit, it's that WS is too good for a DT.

They're not comparable units, because the best thing about Wave Serpents is that they are dedicated transports, so you can take 6 with troops in a CAD without eating up any other slots, whereas Valkyries are FA -- not only can you only take 3, but do you really want only Valkyries in your precious FA slots? No Armored Sentinel Squadron, and no Vendettas?

Now, if the next IG codex made Valkyries DT's, then people would say Valkyries are way too good -- because suddenly, IG lists would be packed with with 6 cheap flyers with 6 troops for just over a thousand points, leaving not only 800 points to work with, but all the preimium FOC slots too.

In terms of Eldar getting a the fun toys because they're an ancient race, that's what points are for. Yes, they are more powerful, but because of a crappy situation (you know, the Fall, and all that), they have fewer resources and therefore have fewer numbers they can bring to battle. If that weren't the case, 40k would be pointless, because pre-Fall Eldar would have squished humans like a ten year old kicking over an ant hill. Heck, they had (have?) the technology to snuff out stars, which is a pretty convincing way to start a fight.

Warhams-77 wrote:
You got punk'd by Bols and Steve the Warboss/Natfka

Why people continue to believe mongers like them, I don't get...

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Is there a better picture of the box somewhere? From the Blog for the Blood God picture, the size is too small and there's far too much glare for me to tell anything about it.

Would it be possible to see the original picture in question? I went back through a few pages, but couldn't find the picture that you are asking about.

So is there actually like a detachment (formation? what are they called nowadays) for CSM + Daemons?

EDIT: Nevermind, looks like i Just need to read better lol

 inquisitorlewis wrote:

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Is there a better picture of the box somewhere? From the Blog for the Blood God picture, the size is too small and there's far too much glare for me to tell anything about it.

Would it be possible to see the original picture in question? I went back through a few pages, but couldn't find the picture that you are asking about.

It's the one below the stupid blog symbol:



I can make out a Helbrute in the back, but that's about it.

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:

 inquisitorlewis wrote:

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Is there a better picture of the box somewhere? From the Blog for the Blood God picture, the size is too small and there's far too much glare for me to tell anything about it.

Would it be possible to see the original picture in question? I went back through a few pages, but couldn't find the picture that you are asking about.

It's the one below the stupid blog symbol:

Thanks.

It repeatedly boggles my mind why they make things like the datacards, which seem to be almost an essential part of the game, limited stock. Why on earth would you limit that??

WayneTheGame wrote:
It repeatedly boggles my mind why they make things like the datacards, which seem to be almost an essential part of the game, limited stock. Why on earth would you limit that??

Good question. I don't really know the logistics of such things, but it seems like they'd be among the cheaper products to mass produce.

I missed out on the Space Wolves cards, not gonna miss out on these.

WayneTheGame wrote:
It repeatedly boggles my mind why they make things like the datacards, which seem to be almost an essential part of the game, limited stock. Why on earth would you limit that??

I was hoping to see some Khorne-themed dice from GW. I bought some from Chessex a couple years ago, but I'd still buy a couple sets of the GW ones.

Why they make anything like that limited boggles my mind as well.

 undertow wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
It repeatedly boggles my mind why they make things like the datacards, which seem to be almost an essential part of the game, limited stock. Why on earth would you limit that??

I was hoping to see some Khorne-themed dice from GW. I bought some from Chessex a couple years ago, but I'd still buy a couple sets of the GW ones.

Why they make anything like that limited boggles my mind as well.

It's really things like that which make me wonder just what their goal is. They claim to be a miniature company not a game company, but how many things are limited/no longer available? How long before this box is "Sold Out" like the others and goes away? What, do they expect people to buy everything the minute it's available, just because it's released? Wait, they probably DO think that...

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
It repeatedly boggles my mind why they make things like the datacards, which seem to be almost an essential part of the game, limited stock. Why on earth would you limit that??

Good question. I don't really know the logistics of such things, but it seems like they'd be among the cheaper products to mass produce.

I missed out on the Space Wolves cards, not gonna miss out on these.

The cards aren't produced in-house, they're produced at the same printer that does the army books.

That's why the Harlequin datacards took so long to come out as they were held up on the West Coast.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
It repeatedly boggles my mind why they make things like the datacards, which seem to be almost an essential part of the game, limited stock. Why on earth would you limit that??

Good question. I don't really know the logistics of such things, but it seems like they'd be among the cheaper products to mass produce.

I missed out on the Space Wolves cards, not gonna miss out on these.

The cards aren't produced in-house, they're produced at the same printer that does the army books.

Ok, but they surely have a cost associated with producing them? That was more the thrust of my point, that it seems like their limited availability shouldn't be based on that cost.

 pretre wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
You got punk'd by Bols and Steve the Warboss/Natfka

Why people continue to believe mongers like them, I don't get...

It's because they're reasonably good at giving people what they WANT to believe.

- When people want to know what's coming up in 6 to 12 months, Faeit and BOLS supply them with lists and timelines.

- When we already have a vague idea about what armies are coming up next, people want rumors about rules and minis. Faeit and BOLS supply rumors.

- When we know what the next release is, people want to know kit and rule details. Faeit and BOLS supply those details.

And in all these cases, the more "fan fave" stuff you work in, the more traction it gets. Because people WANT to believe it. It's a simple formula.

 undertow wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
It repeatedly boggles my mind why they make things like the datacards, which seem to be almost an essential part of the game, limited stock. Why on earth would you limit that??

I was hoping to see some Khorne-themed dice from GW. I bought some from Chessex a couple years ago, but I'd still buy a couple sets of the GW ones.

Why they make anything like that limited boggles my mind as well.

Probably because they've seen how the sales of stuff like that tend to drop off precipitously a short time after release. It costs them money to have stuff sitting in warehouses -- and they've become extremely cost-sensitive -- so they only produce what they know will sell in that initial window.

Note -- I'm not saying that they couldn't do a better job at gauging demand. I've gone on some annoying GW product scavenger hunts myself in recent months.

 gorgon wrote:
It's because they're reasonably good at giving people what they WANT to believe.

- When people want to know what's coming up in 6 to 12 months, Faeit and BOLS supply them with lists and timelines.

- When we already have a vague idea about what armies are coming up next, people want rumors about rules and minis. Faeit and BOLS supply rumors.

- When we know what the next release is, people want to know kit and rule details. Faeit and BOLS supply those details.

And in all these cases, the more "fan fave" stuff you work in, the more traction it gets. Because people WANT to believe it. It's a simple formula.

No, I get that. I just wonder why, after they are wrong so many times, they still buy it. Wanting to believe only goes so far...

 pretre wrote:
Wanting to believe only goes so far...

You'd think so, but then again there's still people who hold out hope that GW will suddenly learn how to make good, balanced rules, too.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Wanting to believe only goes so far...

You'd think so, but then again there's still people who hold out hope that GW will suddenly learn how to make good, balanced rules, too.

Somewhere in an alternate reality this exists, and people are laughing and rejoicing while they gleefully paint cheap Space Marines, there are dozens of 40k and Fantasy tournaments going on that are broadcasted live, and GW is prosperous. The devs answer questions on Twitter and Facebook and do weekly podcasts to talk about goings on, and Specialist Games are thriving as a gateway.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 undertow wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
It repeatedly boggles my mind why they make things like the datacards, which seem to be almost an essential part of the game, limited stock. Why on earth would you limit that??

I was hoping to see some Khorne-themed dice from GW. I bought some from Chessex a couple years ago, but I'd still buy a couple sets of the GW ones.

Why they make anything like that limited boggles my mind as well.

It's really things like that which make me wonder just what their goal is. They claim to be a miniature company not a game company, but how many things are limited/no longer available? How long before this box is "Sold Out" like the others and goes away? What, do they expect people to buy everything the minute it's available, just because it's released? Wait, they probably DO think that...

Kinda lends credence to that rumor that was shouted down about GW doing time-limited releases for the new version of WFB, doesn't it?

 Alex C wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

 undertow wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
It repeatedly boggles my mind why they make things like the datacards, which seem to be almost an essential part of the game, limited stock. Why on earth would you limit that??

I was hoping to see some Khorne-themed dice from GW. I bought some from Chessex a couple years ago, but I'd still buy a couple sets of the GW ones.

Why they make anything like that limited boggles my mind as well.

It's really things like that which make me wonder just what their goal is. They claim to be a miniature company not a game company, but how many things are limited/no longer available? How long before this box is "Sold Out" like the others and goes away? What, do they expect people to buy everything the minute it's available, just because it's released? Wait, they probably DO think that...

Kinda lends credence to that rumor that was shouted down about GW doing time-limited releases for the new version of WFB, doesn't it?

I don't think they would be that stupid...

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

 undertow wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
It repeatedly boggles my mind why they make things like the datacards, which seem to be almost an essential part of the game, limited stock. Why on earth would you limit that??

I was hoping to see some Khorne-themed dice from GW. I bought some from Chessex a couple years ago, but I'd still buy a couple sets of the GW ones.

Why they make anything like that limited boggles my mind as well.

It's really things like that which make me wonder just what their goal is. They claim to be a miniature company not a game company, but how many things are limited/no longer available? How long before this box is "Sold Out" like the others and goes away? What, do they expect people to buy everything the minute it's available, just because it's released? Wait, they probably DO think that...

Kinda lends credence to that rumor that was shouted down about GW doing time-limited releases for the new version of WFB, doesn't it?

I don't think they would be that stupid...

Nothing they could do would surprise me these days.