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 AegisGrimm wrote:


I find this the most likely situation from the GW I am familiar with. Even if they get resculpted, they will see an automatic price hike.

That's the problem with wanting plastic Aspects. Do we as Eldar players really want Aspect models that could possibly cost even MORE than the Finecast ones? They are already highway robbery.

I wouldn't say no to more Striking Scorpions if GW keeps the current looks, but to be honest that's the only GW aspect warrior that I use. I have better looking (at least to me) 3rd party miniatures for all the others.

M,

 Byte wrote:
Wave Serpent nerf bat swinging? Riptide nerf bat?

$100 book purchase nerf bat within 2-3 from first release?

After the debacle of the 6th edition Tyranid codex and how wrong everybody was about it *coughFaeit212cough* I won't believe anything until I see pictures. Rules, units, doesn't matter: pics or they aren't real.

That said, I feel there are two possibilities for Eldar: we either get an expansion to our current codex like Shield of Baal for Tyranids, or a full blown new codex. Honestly, I would prefer the former. I like how GW has been expanding on the minor factions for 40k so far instead of simply repeating the codex release cycle again. Honestly, most of the major changes between 6th and 7th are the formations, and a simple campaign book to provide Eldar with formations would be enough for me.

As far as models go, I would love to see plastic aspect warriors. Scorpion/Spider, Banshee/Hawk, Dragon/Reaper dualkits and a Autarch clamshell would be fine with me.

Also, new plastic jetbikes. The current Windriders are simply hideous.

 Miguelsan wrote:
I wouldn't say no to more Striking Scorpions if GW keeps the current looks, but to be honest that's the only GW aspect warrior that I use. I have better looking (at least to me) 3rd party miniatures for all the others.

What third party miniatures? Third party Eldar is something sorely lacking, I find.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
If Genestealers get removed from the main codex, I'll just use my models as Hormagaunts. I don't have any actual Hormagaunt minis since I convert them all to Termagants.
I really like that release schedule, but there's next to nothing that's going to get me to use more than one codex for the same army.

genestealers won't get removed from the 'nid dex just because they're also in the GS cult list. that'd be like removing scions from the AM 'dex because of the Scions 'dex

Yeah but Harlequins got removed from Dark Eldar and Eldar dexes. :I

Remember, GW is bloating the 40k verse right now. They're doing what they did back in the Rogue Trader days, giving everything it's own little model and rules.

The question is when the bubble is going to pop...

drbored wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
If Genestealers get removed from the main codex, I'll just use my models as Hormagaunts. I don't have any actual Hormagaunt minis since I convert them all to Termagants.
I really like that release schedule, but there's next to nothing that's going to get me to use more than one codex for the same army.

genestealers won't get removed from the 'nid dex just because they're also in the GS cult list. that'd be like removing scions from the AM 'dex because of the Scions 'dex

Yeah but Harlequins got removed from Dark Eldar and Eldar dexes. :I

Remember, GW is bloating the 40k verse right now. They're doing what they did back in the Rogue Trader days, giving everything it's own little model and rules.

The question is when the bubble is going to pop...

I've been predicting this since the Scions codex, once the bloat becomes too much for GW to support, it'll likely all go the way of the Squats, which leaves me hesitant to invest in any of the new "spin-off armies". I may just be the crazy doomsayer in the room.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

drbored wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
If Genestealers get removed from the main codex, I'll just use my models as Hormagaunts. I don't have any actual Hormagaunt minis since I convert them all to Termagants.
I really like that release schedule, but there's next to nothing that's going to get me to use more than one codex for the same army.

genestealers won't get removed from the 'nid dex just because they're also in the GS cult list. that'd be like removing scions from the AM 'dex because of the Scions 'dex

Yeah but Harlequins got removed from Dark Eldar and Eldar dexes. :I

Remember, GW is bloating the 40k verse right now. They're doing what they did back in the Rogue Trader days, giving everything it's own little model and rules.

The question is when the bubble is going to pop...

I've been predicting this since the Scions codex, once the bloat becomes too much for GW to support, it'll likely all go the way of the Squats, which leaves me hesitant to invest in any of the new "spin-off armies". I may just be the crazy doomsayer in the room.

Some people have said that GW consider all the hardback codices 'done'. Complete. Finished, and that 7th edition is as solid as they would hope for. We might not see any Codexes get really 'redone', or a new edition for 40k for several years yet.

They've always said they're a miniatures company first, and making lots and lots of plastic miniatures that you can play games with is pretty much what they're doing right now. Rules? Secondary. As long as they keep releasing these splash releases, with new dataslates and formations, and Codices that cover small sections of factions... they may not need to update 7th edition for years and years...

drbored wrote:
I love how people get hung up on the Genestealers being removed.

I know right? I mean, it's not like they've been a part of the Tyranid army since its inception! What a bunch of entitled whiners! LOL!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
I love how people get hung up on the Genestealers being removed.

I know right? I mean, it's not like they've been a part of the Tyranid army since its inception! What a bunch of entitled whiners! LOL!

Actually they weren't... they were only added in late RT days.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Genestealers...removed?

They've been there and staple in the list since 2nd edition.

I highly doubt they're going to be removed.

Maybe they got eaten by Tyranids.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Actually they weren't... they were only added in late RT days.

Genestealers weren't Tyranids originally, no, but when Tyranids got a list in... I can't remember what WD it was, I have it at home... they were part of the army. Along with Hybrids and Patriarchs and Magi.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
I love how people get hung up on the Genestealers being removed.

I know right? I mean, it's not like they've been a part of the Tyranid army since its inception! What a bunch of entitled whiners! LOL!

I meant in terms of the most unbelievable part of the list of things to come, but ok.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

I've been predicting this since the Scions codex, once the bloat becomes too much for GW to support, it'll likely all go the way of the Squats, which leaves me hesitant to invest in any of the new "spin-off armies". I may just be the crazy doomsayer in the room.

Squats? Too old of an example. Lost and the Damned and Kroot Mercs might be better comparisons to Scions in any case as they were off shoots of other armies that were expanded upon and then unceremoniously dumped a few years later.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Actually they weren't... they were only added in late RT days.

Genestealers weren't Tyranids originally, no, but when Tyranids got a list in... I can't remember what WD it was, I have it at home... they were part of the army. Along with Hybrids and Patriarchs and Magi.

I could easily see them getting a scion/harlequin type treatment where they get their own book if they are taken out. They don't match the visual look of the other nids for obvious fluff reasons so from that aspect it is understandable but I don't think it's reasonable to do so from a player perspective.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
I wouldn't say no to more Striking Scorpions if GW keeps the current looks, but to be honest that's the only GW aspect warrior that I use. I have better looking (at least to me) 3rd party miniatures for all the others.

What third party miniatures? Third party Eldar is something sorely lacking, I find.

I don't like the GW Eldar looks for the most part. I'm using Urban War figures as Swooping Hawks and Banshees for example.



M.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Actually they weren't... they were only added in late RT days.

Genestealers weren't Tyranids originally, no, but when Tyranids got a list in... I can't remember what WD it was, I have it at home... they were part of the army. Along with Hybrids and Patriarchs and Magi.

And Chaos Space Marines!

Why did they take CSMs out of the Tyranid army list?

They were there from the beginning!




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But I think we may be drifting off topic...


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 warboss wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

I've been predicting this since the Scions codex, once the bloat becomes too much for GW to support, it'll likely all go the way of the Squats, which leaves me hesitant to invest in any of the new "spin-off armies". I may just be the crazy doomsayer in the room.

Squats? Too old of an example. Lost and the Damned and Kroot Mercs might be better comparisons to Scions in any case as they were off shoots of other armies that were expanded upon and then unceremoniously dumped a few years later.

A whole lot of 3rd edition stuff fits this.

Death Watch
A dozen or more IG regiments (including Catachans who had a full on codex)
Several SM chapters
And, on topic, Harliquins and Craftworld Eldar.

I've said before that at this point GW's next move is likely to be a reboot in the style of RT to 2nd edition or 2nd to 3rd where all existing rules are invalidated.

Not only would it give them a chance to cut away a lot of the fat, but it would give them a lot of new book sales for not much work.

Assuming we didnt all walk away in disgust of course.

Bringing back genestealer cults!? I'll believe that when I see it. Plastic rubric marines!? Looks like a wish list to me.

drbored wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
If Genestealers get removed from the main codex, I'll just use my models as Hormagaunts. I don't have any actual Hormagaunt minis since I convert them all to Termagants.
I really like that release schedule, but there's next to nothing that's going to get me to use more than one codex for the same army.

genestealers won't get removed from the 'nid dex just because they're also in the GS cult list. that'd be like removing scions from the AM 'dex because of the Scions 'dex

Yeah but Harlequins got removed from Dark Eldar and Eldar dexes. :I

Remember, GW is bloating the 40k verse right now. They're doing what they did back in the Rogue Trader days, giving everything it's own little model and rules.

The question is when the bubble is going to pop...

Harlequins are still in the current Eldar Codex.

Harlequins were present in the 2nd ed. Eldar Codex as well.

It went - Harlies (2nd), No Harlies (3rd), Harlies (4th/5th), Harlies (6th).

To contrast to Dark Eldar...

No Harlies (3rd), No Harlies (3.5 update), Harlies (5th), No Harlies (7th)

Harlequins were a staple of Eldar but not for Dark Eldar. Similar to Legion of the Damned and Space Marines.

Now, if you want to comparise Tyranids and Genestealers...

Don't. Even the White Dwarf Rogue Trader army list had Genestealers in it. Every incarnation of Tyranids has had Genestealers present and accounted for.

GW have also shown with Khorne Daemonkin that they're not afraid of duplicating units in a codex - Khorne Daemonkin have Chaos Terminators, Bloodletters, Daemon Princes and Spawn. I highly doubt those are all going to disappear from their respective books because of Khorne Daemonkin.

"Some creatures captured by the Tyranids are not used as food or broked down ..."

"Broked". Wow.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
"Some creatures captured by the Tyranids are not used as food or broked down ..."

"Broked". Wow.

To be fair, 40k was written by Orks until 2009

Judging by the Decurion, it still is.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
If Genestealers get removed from the main codex, I'll just use my models as Hormagaunts. I don't have any actual Hormagaunt minis since I convert them all to Termagants.
I really like that release schedule, but there's next to nothing that's going to get me to use more than one codex for the same army.

genestealers won't get removed from the 'nid dex just because they're also in the GS cult list. that'd be like removing scions from the AM 'dex because of the Scions 'dex

Well, they did do the same with Harlequins in the latest DE codex, and all Inquisition units from the Grey Knight codex, so it's not like it's totally unprecedented.

Mymearan wrote:
Lords of wargaming have deleted their posts, so there is now no source for these rumors.

Can I get a confirmation on exactly which posts were deleted? I should update the tracker.

No Idea, i followed the link in the op and there was a post with a guy talking to himself on the LoW Facebook.

Crap. Okay, I'll leave them for now and if I can't figure it out, they'll all just count for them.

 Byte wrote:
Wave Serpent nerf bat swinging? Riptide nerf bat?

or boost - see Wraiths?

drbored wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
If Genestealers get removed from the main codex, I'll just use my models as Hormagaunts. I don't have any actual Hormagaunt minis since I convert them all to Termagants.
I really like that release schedule, but there's next to nothing that's going to get me to use more than one codex for the same army.

genestealers won't get removed from the 'nid dex just because they're also in the GS cult list. that'd be like removing scions from the AM 'dex because of the Scions 'dex

Yeah but Harlequins got removed from Dark Eldar and Eldar dexes. :I

Remember, GW is bloating the 40k verse right now. They're doing what they did back in the Rogue Trader days, giving everything it's own little model and rules.

The question is when the bubble is going to pop...

The rules for Harlies also substantially changed.

If the Genestealer "range" will be expanded, it's *plausible* that they'd break them out like Harlequins so that the same units aren't listed in multiple books, with all the issues that can cause.

Then again...Khorne Daemonkin. *shrug*

Overall I tend to think that Purestrain 'stealers won't be leaving the Tyranid codex, but who can really predict GW's actions these days?

 pretre wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
Lords of wargaming have deleted their posts, so there is now no source for these rumors.

Can I get a confirmation on exactly which posts were deleted? I should update the tracker.

Captured by Atia on B&C

These are the original posts from their FB page. I consider these reliable. Do you remove the rumors from the tracker because LoW deleted them, Pretre? It will be interesting to see if these were removed because they are correct

I'm extremely surprised that Eldar are getting re-done. I echo what's been stated on this page. Everything I've heard from sources within and without GW made it seem that they don't intend to update any of the older army books anytime soon, and instead want to focus on adding new armies and supplements.

I'm not sure what re-writing codex Eldar will achieve, unless they're now rapidly trying to remove CADs from list building and move the game to being formation based. I guess they feel that formations sell more models.

 Therion wrote:
I'm extremely surprised that Eldar are getting re-done. I echo what's been stated on this page. Everything I've heard from sources within and without GW made it seem that they don't intend to update any of the older army books anytime soon, and instead want to focus on adding new armies and supplements.

I'm not sure what re-writing codex Eldar will achieve, unless they're now rapidly trying to remove CADs from list building and move the game to being formation based. I guess they feel that formations sell more models.

Well it might fix Cheese Serpents and Banshees - or likely not.

I'd much rather see stuff Like Deathwatch, Genestealer Cults and Sororitas than yet another Marine Codex or stuff that can be fixed by FAQs - Serpent shield is now range 6" for instance.