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So how long has the current Eldar Codex been out?! It can't be that long.

If there is a new book out, that means that in four years every 40k army book I have bought from GW has been superseded at least once. Including the rules (I bought AoBR just before 6th ed came out).

The current codex was released in June 2013.

To be fair, the current book is awful, a monument to GW's writing incompetence.

Honestly, it's a perfect representation why a company with such mediocre writing talent should move to a "living ruleset" with some sort of feedback mechanism so things could be adjusted and updated on the fly. of course, that is predicated on them not being evil.

They'd much rather sell you a still broken, but different broken codex as often as possible!

The Eldar Codex was released in June 2013. The Necron book was the last 5th ed Codex, it took about 3 years and 3 months to update it (November 2011 -> Jan 2015). The rumored (Lords of War Gaming) Eldar, Space Marine and Tau Codizes (all three books are from 2013) will be the fastest 40k army book updates ever. If you don't count the Space Wolves White Dwarf (156-158) army list in 1992-1993 which was then released in an expanded form in the first 40k Codex (the then new 2nd edition) in 1993. The infamous 5th ed WFB Vampire Counts book was invalidated within a few months with the release of 6th edition and the one-for-all booklet that came with it

It sucks - a Saim-Hann supplement would have been better. And only an errata for the current CWE one

 MajorStoffer wrote:
To be fair, the current book is awful, a monument to GW's writing incompetence.

Are you joking? Have you taken a look at the CSM codex?

Only thing broken in the Eldar codex is Serpent Shield, undercosted Wraithknight, and no assault grenades on banshees.


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 MajorStoffer wrote:
Honestly, it's a perfect representation why a company with such mediocre writing talent should move to a "living ruleset" with some sort of feedback mechanism so things could be adjusted and updated on the fly. of course, that is predicated on them not being evil.

They could easily do that by picking up their FAQ/Errata policy again, but now changing things as they go. Models might even sell better without a new codex update that way!

 MajorStoffer wrote:
They'd much rather sell you a still broken, but different broken codex as often as possible!

Codex Khorne Daemonkin, anyone?

June 2013?! So the dreaded Evil Gee Dubs Two Year cycle is a thing, it seems!

 Sir Arun wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
To be fair, the current book is awful, a monument to GW's writing incompetence.

Are you joking? Have you taken a look at the CSM codex?

Only thing broken in the Eldar codex is Serpent Shield, undercosted Wraithknight, and no assault grenades on banshees.

Codex Khorne Daemonkin, anyone?

It's a monument, not the monument.

THE monument is a stack consisting of:

Eldar
Tau
Daemons
Imperial Guard
Stormtroopers
Chaos Space Marines
Orks
Sisters of Battle
Black Legion
Daemonkin
Imperial Knights
Sentinels of Terra
Space Wolves
Waaagh Ghazgkull
Champions of Fenris
Dark Eldar
Tyranids
Necrons
Dark Angels
Grey Knights
Inquisition

Codex: Space Marines is pretty good though, centstar and bikerspam aside.

 monders wrote:
So how long has the current Eldar Codex been out?! It can't be that long.

Monders, meet 7th edition.

7th edition, this is monders. He forgot that there were only 2 years between you and 6th edition.

Time to sell those wave serpents kiddies...

To be fair, Serpents have played a role in every list, and just because they (hopefully) won't be as good doesn't necessarily mean they end up on the junk heap.

It's just that damned shield blast that needs to go.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
To be fair, Serpents have played a role in every list, and just because they (hopefully) won't be as good doesn't necessarily mean they end up on the junk heap.

It's just that damned shield blast that needs to go.

Or range reduced. Probably get a points increase as well. As Night Scythe and Anni-barge...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 monders wrote:
So how long has the current Eldar Codex been out?! It can't be that long.

Monders, meet 7th edition.

7th edition, this is monders. He forgot that there were only 2 years between you and 6th edition.

Oh no, I recall that alright - I'd not long since bought AoBR (5th) and Codex SM and SW, then the new (6) rules came out, then the new (7) rules came out!

Just bad timing for me I suppose, because I'd bought the the Space Marine and Space Wolf codices too, then THEY got updated.

But I'm not here to pish and whine - I welcome new Eldar stuff even though I never got around to playing with my Eldar on account of the rule book changes

 Sir Arun wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Honestly, it's a perfect representation why a company with such mediocre writing talent should move to a "living ruleset" with some sort of feedback mechanism so things could be adjusted and updated on the fly.

They could easily do that by picking up their FAQ/Errata policy again, but not changing things as they go. Models might even sell better without a new codex update that way!

Exactly. The idea that my purchases from just two years ago are about to be invalidated pisses me off. This, like 7th edition coming out so soon, is nothing but a blatant cash grab. They're not doing this to rebalance books but rather to sell $50 products yet again to prop up sagging sales that are sagging because of exactly this kind of crap they're pulling.

The only reason people would need to sell their WS is if they became point cost prohibitive or limited in game. They are still the primary transport for the army, I doubt they will do either of those things. That is, unless they release some new transport that is more on the order of a Rhino and make tho Wave Serpent the equivalent of the Land Raider in terms of points and whatnot. I'd be willing to bet that they are going to open up the ability to take a WS as either a FA slot or HS slot.

 Byte wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
To be fair, Serpents have played a role in every list, and just because they (hopefully) won't be as good doesn't necessarily mean they end up on the junk heap.

It's just that damned shield blast that needs to go.

Or range reduced. Probably get a points increase as well. As Night Scythe and Anni-barge...

Right, let's overcost the only organic transport of the Eldar by 50 points because Necrons... and while we are at it why not move it to HS is not like that slot is overcrowded. Oh I forgot nowadays is all about forging the narrative so I guess we can have the Eldar riding 35pts Rhinos to balance it.

I agree that the shield needs to be changed tho.

M.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Time to sell those wave serpents kiddies...

Why? It is our ONLY dedicated transport. The ONLY thing to protect T3 infantry. No matter what kind of nerfs happen, Wave Serpents will always have a place.

If GW gave Eldar a dedicated transport with an assault ramp or open-topped to help get our squishy assault units into combat you would see less serpents.

If GW made the Falcon a dedicated transport option instead of a sub-par choice in a saturated category you would see less Serpents.

 Erik_Morkai wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Time to sell those wave serpents kiddies...

Why? It is our ONLY dedicated transport. The ONLY thing to protect T3 infantry. No matter what kind of nerfs happen, Wave Serpents will always have a place.

If GW gave Eldar a dedicated transport with an assault ramp or open-topped to help get our squishy assault units into combat you would see less serpents.

If GW made the Falcon a dedicated transport option instead of a sub-par choice in a saturated category you would see less Serpents.

The Falcon thing wouldn’t even require a new model, just a few lines of text. And would boost sales of a kit I can only assume is lagging. I was surprised it wasn’t made an option in the last codex.

I could also easily see a new viper + venom/starweaver-esque 5 man open topped transport duel kit. Which would help assault units like banshees, as well as drive-by fusion firedragons. The WS is great as a tank, but as a transports it has a number of flaws. Non-assault, no fire ports, expensive, etc. A new DT that actually had some synergy with the guys it was dragging around would do a lot to shelve WSs.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Erik_Morkai wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Time to sell those wave serpents kiddies...

Why? It is our ONLY dedicated transport. The ONLY thing to protect T3 infantry. No matter what kind of nerfs happen, Wave Serpents will always have a place.

If GW gave Eldar a dedicated transport with an assault ramp or open-topped to help get our squishy assault units into combat you would see less serpents.

If GW made the Falcon a dedicated transport option instead of a sub-par choice in a saturated category you would see less Serpents.

The Falcon thing wouldn’t even require a new model, just a few lines of text. And would boost sales of a kit I can only assume is lagging. I was surprised it wasn’t made an option in the last codex.

I could also easily see a new viper + venom/starweaver-esque 5 man open topped transport duel kit. Which would help assault units like banshees, as well as drive-by fusion firedragons. The WS is great as a tank, but as a transports it has a number of flaws. Non-assault, no fire ports, expensive, etc. A new DT that actually had some synergy with the guys it was dragging around would do a lot to shelve WSs.

Giving Eldar a Venom-esque transport would take away from the flavor of the Dark Eldar imo, especially since they already gave one to Harlequins. The factions need to keep their signature units as unique as possible. Also i don't think the Vypers need a new kit, just better rules

Mymearan wrote:
Giving Eldar a Venom-esque transport would take away from the flavor of the Dark Eldar imo, especially since they already gave one to Harlequins. The factions need to keep their signature units as unique as possible. Also i don't think the Vypers need a new kit, just better rules

If the rumor is true about getting new jetbikes, then the old viper would look a bit out of place. And if they are re-doing it, why not go with a duel kit, which seems to be all the rage over at GW. And what else could they do with it?

I agree that its rules could be a little better. I still like them, but then, Saim Hann is what drew me to the land of pointy ears. Not a fan of any unit that involves touching the mud, so vipers still have a place in my heart. And lists, once I get a second one painted up.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Time to sell those wave serpents kiddies...

Highly unlikely, as it's the Eldar's only dedicated transport

Even if they nerfed it to be identical to a Rhino, Wave Serpents would still be useful.


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 Sir Arun wrote:
GW doing Eldar before Sisters of Battle, before Chaos, before Dark Angels.

>what is wrong with this company

Pretty simple. There are multitudes more Eldar players than CSM, DA, or Sisters. That's all it's about -- CSM get a codex every edition while Sororitas don't because they have a smaller following. Space Marines get some subfaction codex every few months because they are the most popular armies. But in terms of Xenos, I'm pretty sure Eldar are right up there in one of the top spots for popularity.

But hey, at least Chaos got a subfaction codex and a bloodthirster.

Can we get some new Guardians already, too GW :X


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 Nevelon wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
Giving Eldar a Venom-esque transport would take away from the flavor of the Dark Eldar imo, especially since they already gave one to Harlequins. The factions need to keep their signature units as unique as possible. Also i don't think the Vypers need a new kit, just better rules

If the rumor is true about getting new jetbikes, then the old viper would look a bit out of place. And if they are re-doing it, why not go with a duel kit, which seems to be all the rage over at GW. And what else could they do with it?

I agree that its rules could be a little better. I still like them, but then, Saim Hann is what drew me to the land of pointy ears. Not a fan of any unit that involves touching the mud, so vipers still have a place in my heart. And lists, once I get a second one painted up.

Well, yeah, but they still need a full size transport, a la Raider -- in my opinion, one of the nicest models for a DT made by GW.

 Talys wrote:
Well, yeah, but they still need a full size transport, a la Raider -- in my opinion, one of the nicest models for a DT made by GW.

Heck, all the Dark Eldar stuff looks awesome! I don't think there's a model in their range I don't like! (Except maybe the Razorwing Flock- robbing gaks)

You know, I could see Aspect Warriors being able to take Falcons as dedicated transports if the unit is small enough to use them.

Pretty simple. There are multitudes more Eldar players than CSM, DA, or Sisters. That's all it's about

Sad thing is its a self fulfilling prophercy - Focus on particula ranges exclusively and wierd thing is they get more people buying them - be interesting to see how the Skitarri range go - an army people have been screaming for for years, good models - at least its not yet another "oh so dfifferently coloured Marine Codex"

If guardians stay bs 4 Laser lock needs to go. You have enough shots without needing to twin link everything.

You put them back to bs 3 as a non fighting path eldar would be according to the fluff then you can have laser lock for a good 30 points per vehicle.

Fluff says when they leave the aspect and pick a new path they pit themselves so fully into their new path that they would lose any talent they had in the old. And the non aspect warriors are scared of the aspect warriors and even revolted by them especially when they have their war mask on. In short guardians should not have trained fighter bs and ws

 Miguelsan wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
To be fair, Serpents have played a role in every list, and just because they (hopefully) won't be as good doesn't necessarily mean they end up on the junk heap.

It's just that damned shield blast that needs to go.

Or range reduced. Probably get a points increase as well. As Night Scythe and Anni-barge...

Right, let's overcost the only organic transport of the Eldar by 50 points because Necrons... and while we are at it why not move it to HS is not like that slot is overcrowded. Oh I forgot nowadays is all about forging the narrative so I guess we can have the Eldar riding 35pts Rhinos to balance it.

I agree that the shield needs to be changed tho.

M.

Seems I hit a nerve. I didn't increase the points on Necron stuff, GW did.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Pretty simple. There are multitudes more Eldar players than CSM, DA, or Sisters. That's all it's about

Sad thing is its a self fulfilling prophercy - Focus on particula ranges exclusively and wierd thing is they get more people buying them - be interesting to see how the Skitarri range go - an army people have been screaming for for years, good models - at least its not yet another "oh so dfifferently coloured Marine Codex"

It's hard to believe how mishandled CSM have been considering how popular SM are.

We've been begging for legion books since 3rd. Even god specific ones would have been great until we saw the current one :/

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
Why? It is our ONLY dedicated transport. .

I had the same thought - why have the eldar not made an assault transport?
I ratrionalized it by considering how long the eldar have had to mess around growing wriathbone and eventually (like the ak-47 and it's variants) you get a known shape which just works better than any other.
That explains the common chassis shape (it's a bit like the rhino and it's variants) but not the lack of assault craft.
But i wonder if we would still use assualt craft if we had loads of jetbikes?

I hope GW doesn't change the Wave Serpent at all. I'd actually enjoy if they actually buffed the Wave Serpent, for example reducing the points cost and keeping the rules the same.

That would finally put the idea to rest that GW is interested in this micro level game balance or that stuff like that dictates their release policy.

I can't think of any other reason for an accelerated release schedule for the old army books than that the new codex will be similar to the Necron one: Almost completely void of any art, especially new stuff, and just filled with photos of the units, and an army list that's mostly a compilation of formations as opposed to the old 100% CAD based approach. If they don't have to pay for any new art or background material then it's very profitable for them to force sell people new rules all the time.

 Therion wrote:
I hope GW doesn't change the Wave Serpent at all. I'd actually enjoy if they actually buffed the Wave Serpent, for example reducing the points cost and keeping the rules the same.

That would finally put the idea to rest that GW is interested in this micro level game balance or that stuff like that dictates their release policy.

I can't think of any other reason for an accelerated release schedule for the old army books than that the new codex will be similar to the Necron one: Almost completely void of any art, especially new stuff, and just filled with photos of the units, and an army list that's mostly a compilation of formations as opposed to the old 100% CAD based approach.

Buff the Wave Serpent? Why would anyone at all consider buffing one of the most decidedly overpowered units in the entire game? If the Eldar dex were to follow the Necron's lead, I'd imagine the Serpent would stay nearly identical to where it is currently.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Therion wrote:
I hope GW doesn't change the Wave Serpent at all. I'd actually enjoy if they actually buffed the Wave Serpent, for example reducing the points cost and keeping the rules the same.

That would finally put the idea to rest that GW is interested in this micro level game balance or that stuff like that dictates their release policy.

I can't think of any other reason for an accelerated release schedule for the old army books than that the new codex will be similar to the Necron one: Almost completely void of any art, especially new stuff, and just filled with photos of the units, and an army list that's mostly a compilation of formations as opposed to the old 100% CAD based approach.

Buff the Wave Serpent? Why would anyone at all consider buffing one of the most decidedly overpowered units in the entire game? If the Eldar dex were to follow the Necron's lead, I'd imagine the Serpent would stay nearly identical to where it is currently.

what he's actually saying is he hopes GW gives him a reason to quit the game