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It'll be a good day when the next WD leaks!

I hope...

(By 'instantaneous' in regards to the Webway, they are referencing how travel time is independent of distance. Where almost all other races have travel times measured in years that generally scales about linearly with distance, taking an hour or so to cross the galaxy seems instantaneous.

So, even in a galaxy where everyone outpaces their cones of light, WWP travel still seems instantaneous.)

 Theophony wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
They can be on (almost) any world in the galaxy instantly

The webway has never been instantaneous travel.

Its the combination of web way technology, scrying, careful planning and ruthless preemptive strikes that make up their seemingly uncanny speed across the galaxy, right?

And an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope .

It had been long enough since the Inquisition codex, thank you for the chuckle exalted!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

If I were rebooting 40k from the ground up I'd want a game where 10 marines or Eldar were a match for a 100 or more IG, Orks or Nids.

Course that wouldn't be a great game for mini sales.

As somebody who can field a horde army, this is a terrible idea.

How long do you want to make set up time? Buy, paint and assemble 100 gaunts/orks/guardsmen and come back to me. Then do it again.

You would end up with really well painted armies on one side, and really badly/unpainted armies on the other, and with people leaving IG, Orks and Nids in droves.

I would do a 1:5 ratio, at best, for Marines in Terminator Armor/Eldar Aspect Warriors.

 Schlyne wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

If I were rebooting 40k from the ground up I'd want a game where 10 marines or Eldar were a match for a 100 or more IG, Orks or Nids.

Course that wouldn't be a great game for mini sales.

As somebody who can field a horde army, this is a terrible idea.

How long do you want to make set up time? Buy, paint and assemble 100 gaunts/orks/guardsmen and come back to me. Then do it again.

You would end up with really well painted armies on one side, and really badly/unpainted armies on the other, and with people leaving IG, Orks and Nids in droves.

That also assumes that each marine is equal to one "eldar" which I can't see being supported in the fluff either. Also, "eldar" can mean alot of different things (guardian, aspect warrior, which aspect warrior?) when talking about mooks where as "marine" is much more standard overall (with exceptions obviously like termies and scouts). I could see the justification for an aspect warrior possibly being "equal" to a marine (although I'd personally disagree overall) but not a guardian in any way in a reboot. I'd personally put it at 5 marines, 10 aspect warriors, and 100 IG. In any case, I suspect that if you want to play those types of numbers, it might be better instead to just play the RPG using the horde rules.

I'm not overly concerned with the tabletop adhering to the fluff. That hasn't been a thing for a long time. I could go off on a long tirade about how the game used to be 'grimdark' and now its just a tabletop version of Coll of Duty. Marines have lost virtually all of their appeal for me as a player, and the Eldar (while I like them a lot still) are probably the next to suffer that fate.

Regardless of what happens with the fluff (which is almost assuredly going to be rewritten) I think that the models are far overdue for an update.

With the recent release of the Dark Eldar (and how successful they were as a rage) and the even more recent release of the Harlequins, I think that all the basic elements are in place for some retooled Edlar plastic kits. The Windrider Jetbikes being gone from the store currently seems like a good indicator that we can expect some new models to replace them, which is likely to be very close in appearance to the new Harlequin bikes. I am fine with this.

I'd love for the Vyper to get a new kit as well since it's currently one of the most annoying kits I've ever assembled, but I've gone this long without one, I'd be shocked if they solved more than one problem in a calendar year.

I don't have any more items on my wishlist at this time... at least nothing unique to the Eldar. All they need to do to make me a happy camper is just remove flyers from the game entirely...

Oh! I totally forgot about the Vyper. That could be such a cool kit with a makeover. Like the current jetbikes I just don't like that model.

So I don't know if this has been posted yet, but the hint for next week's Paint Splatter in WD is "More red, but different" Possibly Saim Hann jetbikes do we think?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
So I don't know if this has been posted yet, but the hint for next week's Paint Splatter in WD is "More red, but different" Possibly Saim Hann jetbikes do we think?

One more army gets "da red wunz go fasta!'

 angelofvengeance wrote:
So I don't know if this has been posted yet, but the hint for next week's Paint Splatter in WD is "More red, but different" Possibly Saim Hann jetbikes do we think?

I'd not be surprised if it was a Saim Hann supplement.

I don't think a complete new Eldar codex makes sense. The book isn't the oldest of the current lot (Hi Dark Angels and Chaos) and a new codex could well make an existing supplement (Iyanden) invalid as some of the options might just not exist.

And considering we're due a codex rush of sorts a Saim Hann supplement makes sense as that seems to be what they've treated the current Ad Mech and Daemonkin books as.

Of course, 'More red, but different' could just be referring to a proper Ad Mech codex with the Skitari being their supplement equivalent (Like MT and AM).

Don't forget we have already found the redirect on GW's site for Codex: Craftworlds:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-Craftworlds-eng

Saim-hann are probably just in the paint splatter due to the new jetbike models, and they're the Craftworld known best for their use of jetbikes.

I'm not sure where all this redirect stuff is coming from, since you'd get that for adding pretty much anything that doesn't talk to GWs site surely?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I'm not sure where all this redirect stuff is coming from, since you'd get that for adding pretty much anything that doesn't talk to GWs site surely?

No, you get a different error for random stuff. This is deliberate.

The error you get is the same, it's the redirect itself which is the giveaway something is coming there. Without going into the technical aspects of Oracle databases and 301 responses, you can easily check for yourself. If you pick this url, for example:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-craftworlds-eng

You'll notice that in your address bar it becomes capitalised, e.g. 'Codex-Craftworlds-ENG'. However if you just add something random to the url in lower case:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-saimhann-eng

You'll notice that while you get the same 404 error page, the words in your address bar don't become capitalised. These urls are gained through simple datamining and guessing; trying different things until something returns a redirect. This means someone at GW added the item to their website's database already, but hasn't published the page yet, which in turn means they're most likely preparations for an upcoming release.

 Redemption wrote:
The error you get is the same, it's the redirect itself which is the giveaway something is coming there. Without going into the technical aspects of Oracle databases and 301 responses, you can easily check for yourself. If you pick this url, for example:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-craftworlds-eng

You'll notice that in your address bar it becomes capitalised, e.g. 'Codex-Craftworlds-ENG'. However if you just add something random to the url in lower case:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/codex-saimhann-eng

You'll notice that while you get the same 404 error page, the words in your address bar don't become capitalised. These urls are gained through simple datamining and guessing; trying different things until something returns a redirect. This means someone at GW added the item to their website's database already, but hasn't published the page yet, which in turn means they're most likely preparations for an upcoming release.

That makes much more sense. Cheers for that.

Could you please explain the redirects thing again on the next page?


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Could you please explain the redirects thing again on the next page?


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And the page after that.

And again.

Try this

Will sisters ever get done. I was really, really hoping they would before another SM codex. Sigh

 ceorron wrote:
Will sisters ever get done. I was really, really hoping they would before another SM codex. Sigh

Eldar need some new models and some fixes to their codex............ whether they will get what is wanted and desired is much more debatable - GW is nothng but unpredictable...

Although mroe than agreed - a new Sisters Codex and figures range is much more needed than another Astartes: "Cosmetically different Marines" Codex.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
Will sisters ever get done. I was really, really hoping they would before another SM codex. Sigh

Eldar need some new models and some fixes to their codex............ whether they will get what is wanted and desired is much more debatable - GW is nothng but unpredictable...

Although mroe than agreed - a new Sisters Codex and figures range is much more needed than another Astartes: "Cosmetically different Marines" Codex.

To be fair Chaos Space Marines would probably like a Codex that isn't wholly reliable either on supplements or alternative codexes altogether to be functional as more than one-trick ponies and I'm sure Dark Angels would love to actually be able to get something that's actually unique to them or at least shared access to some of the new SM vehicles and weapons like Graviton guns or, you know, Storm Ravens, Storm Eagles, Hunters, Stalkers....

Those two Codexes stand out to me as being pretty damn terrible as they were the two that came around before the big 'power spike' of Tau, Eldar and SM and all that followed.

Seriously. I honestly feel that my 'generic' CSM army is actually reliant on using Crimson Slaughter simply because the relics, free Fear and improved Possessed are far better than the tripe we currently get.

To be fair Chaos Space Marines would probably like a Codex that isn't wholly reliable either on supplements or alternative codexes altogether to be functional as more than one-trick ponies

Agreed Chaos have been hard done by.........

I'm sure Dark Angels would love to actually be able to get something that's actually unique to them or at least shared access to some of the new SM vehicles and weapons like Graviton guns or, you know, Storm Ravens, Storm Eagles, Hunters, Stalkers....

That's IMO the problem with some of the Space Marine releases ove the last couple of editions - increasingly depserate and often silly attempts to give a few "special" Chapters their own unique units - rather than just keeping the fluff 0 and now we are stuck with Blood Guns and Logans Sleigh. But equally ignoing actually more unusual Chapters or equal vintage and importance.

 Mr Morden wrote:

To be fair Chaos Space Marines would probably like a Codex that isn't wholly reliable either on supplements or alternative codexes altogether to be functional as more than one-trick ponies

Agreed Chaos have been hard done by.........

I'm sure Dark Angels would love to actually be able to get something that's actually unique to them or at least shared access to some of the new SM vehicles and weapons like Graviton guns or, you know, Storm Ravens, Storm Eagles, Hunters, Stalkers....

That's IMO the problem with some of the Space Marine releases ove the last couple of editions - increasingly depserate and often silly attempts to give a few "special" Chapters their own unique units - rather than just keeping the fluff 0 and now we are stuck with Blood Guns and Logans Sleigh. But equally ignoing actually more unusual Chapters or equal vintage and importance.

Except there actually weren't any "blood guns" aside from the hundreds of snarky comments on the internet.

 Colpicklejar wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

To be fair Chaos Space Marines would probably like a Codex that isn't wholly reliable either on supplements or alternative codexes altogether to be functional as more than one-trick ponies

Agreed Chaos have been hard done by.........

I'm sure Dark Angels would love to actually be able to get something that's actually unique to them or at least shared access to some of the new SM vehicles and weapons like Graviton guns or, you know, Storm Ravens, Storm Eagles, Hunters, Stalkers....

That's IMO the problem with some of the Space Marine releases ove the last couple of editions - increasingly depserate and often silly attempts to give a few "special" Chapters their own unique units - rather than just keeping the fluff 0 and now we are stuck with Blood Guns and Logans Sleigh. But equally ignoing actually more unusual Chapters or equal vintage and importance.

Except there actually weren't any "blood guns" aside from the hundreds of snarky comments on the internet.

Symantics - My old Blood Angels Codex (when it was ruined by stupid "themed" addiitons) has Blood Fists, Blood Talons, Blood Strike Missiles

Meh just roll em all into one $200 400pg book and call it Adeptus Astartes: Robes, Swords, Blood, Wolves, and Smurf edition. Call it a day and go home.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Meh just roll em all into one $200 400pg book and call it Adeptus Astartes: Robes, Swords, Blood, Wolves, and Smurf edition. Call it a day and go home.

No!

It must be called Adeptus Astartes: Blue, Green, Red, Grey, Silver, Spiky and Generic.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

To be fair Chaos Space Marines would probably like a Codex that isn't wholly reliable either on supplements or alternative codexes altogether to be functional as more than one-trick ponies

Agreed Chaos have been hard done by.........

I'm sure Dark Angels would love to actually be able to get something that's actually unique to them or at least shared access to some of the new SM vehicles and weapons like Graviton guns or, you know, Storm Ravens, Storm Eagles, Hunters, Stalkers....

That's IMO the problem with some of the Space Marine releases ove the last couple of editions - increasingly depserate and often silly attempts to give a few "special" Chapters their own unique units - rather than just keeping the fluff 0 and now we are stuck with Blood Guns and Logans Sleigh. But equally ignoing actually more unusual Chapters or equal vintage and importance.

Except there actually weren't any "blood guns" aside from the hundreds of snarky comments on the internet.

Symantics - My old Blood Angels Codex (when it was ruined by stupid "themed" addiitons) has Blood Fists, Blood Talons, Blood Strike Missiles

And the 5th edition Space Wolf book gave us Wolf Wolfborn, of the Space Wolves, riding a giant wolf with his wolf claws and his wolf tooth necklace.

Or wolf wolf, wolf, wolf, wolf wolf.

My dogs started howling just by me reading that post.

I like the wolves naming concept.

And now, any new eldar rumors? I've heard nothing about whether or not there will be a kit for seers on jetbikes... I kind of wish they would drop them, I don't understand how everything is said to be moving at ludicrous speed on the bikes, requiring all of their attention, but there are psyckers casting powers (also requiring all their attention) while riding the same bikes. Just seems silly to me. I felt like a cheater the first time I moved 12" cast my powers at some poor chumps, then turbo boosted 3 feet away so they didn't retaliate.

If they're gonna keep em the least they can do is give us a kit for a Jetseer.

Come on Jetseer/Jetbike/Shining Spears triple kit. Heck throw in a sidecar and call it a Vyper.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Meh just roll em all into one $200 400pg book and call it Adeptus Astartes: Robes, Swords, Blood, Wolves, and Smurf edition. Call it a day and go home.

No!

It must be called Adeptus Astartes: Blue, Green, Red, Grey, Silver, Spiky and Generic.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

To be fair Chaos Space Marines would probably like a Codex that isn't wholly reliable either on supplements or alternative codexes altogether to be functional as more than one-trick ponies

Agreed Chaos have been hard done by.........

I'm sure Dark Angels would love to actually be able to get something that's actually unique to them or at least shared access to some of the new SM vehicles and weapons like Graviton guns or, you know, Storm Ravens, Storm Eagles, Hunters, Stalkers....

That's IMO the problem with some of the Space Marine releases ove the last couple of editions - increasingly depserate and often silly attempts to give a few "special" Chapters their own unique units - rather than just keeping the fluff 0 and now we are stuck with Blood Guns and Logans Sleigh. But equally ignoing actually more unusual Chapters or equal vintage and importance.

Except there actually weren't any "blood guns" aside from the hundreds of snarky comments on the internet.

Symantics - My old Blood Angels Codex (when it was ruined by stupid "themed" addiitons) has Blood Fists, Blood Talons, Blood Strike Missiles

And the 5th edition Space Wolf book gave us Wolf Wolfborn, of the Space Wolves, riding a giant wolf with his wolf claws and his wolf tooth necklace.

Or wolf wolf, wolf, wolf, wolf wolf.

40k is an absurd game, man. Warhammer in general is absurd- it's part of the charm. There's a primarch named Iron Hands (who has iron hands) who leads the Iron Hands who give themselves iron hands in emulation of Iron Hands. The Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus is named after the Grand Inquisitor in a dostoyevsky novel. Konrad Curze is full of Joseph Conrad references. I'm not even sure what's attempting to be argued here- that your blood angels were ruined by being pushed over the top? It wasn't enough that they were 8 foot tall genetically modified vampire super-soldiers, haunted eternally by the psychic echo of the death of their genetic angel-dad, "blood guy"?

The absurdity is fine it's the repetitive naming conventions that makes me groan.