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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 00:43:48
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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Vaktathi wrote:Nocturnus wrote: Sir Arun wrote:Anybody else think 2 wound Exarchs is a pretty stupid thing? It's a throw back to 2nd. They used to have 2W. GW is trying to make 7th into 2.5....
They seem to have forgotten that 2nd was a much more nuanced game with much more detailed rules and far lower model counts. They also got 2nd to the point where the game was such a complicated and hideously unbalanced mess that they had to reboot the entire game. Also 2nd had IMHO one of the best concepts which was the Mission Cards. And the strategy cards (except Virus Outbreak!). But yeah, they seem to be trying to go back to 2nd edition but with none of the cool stuff that I remember from 2nd (although I was much younger so maybe it was just that). Ironically one of my first games of 2nd edition way back in uhh... 1996 I think was against someone playing Space Wolves and not only that but fielding an Armorcast Warhound Titan back when Armorcast made the weird resin superheavy stuff (and also the Falcon at the time). Dealing with Wolfguard Cyclone Missile Launchers + Assault Cannons and a Titan was not a fun way to introduce a newbie to the game. I guess if I were to play 7th edition I'd have a similar experience
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 00:46:25
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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warboss wrote:Nocturnus wrote: Sir Arun wrote:Anybody else think 2 wound Exarchs is a pretty stupid thing?
It's a throw back to 2nd. They used to have 2W. GW is trying to make 7th into 2.5....
$5 Virus Bomb Dataslate incoming in 5... 4... 3... 2...
Along with the Vortex Grenade... LOL
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 00:53:58
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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Okay so from what I'm seeing if you take out the very offensive wraiths does the codex still seem broken to people? I know that the bikes are strong, personally don't see them as world ending strong, but that is just me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:00:05
Subject: Re:Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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I'm not sure about the new codex. I really don't care if people here think it's OP or not, that's not my concern. My issue is that I bought back into 40K for 7th after selling off all my stuff many years ago. I bought the Iyanden force and that's what I typically play. Now it seems that I have to run regular troops so that I can fill my 3 slots of elites with my wraithguard and heavies with 2 lords and a knight. I have a few scouts, but I really wanted to steer away from non-wraith as much as possible. I do have a small harlequin contingent I'm working on, but even that requires so many units to be a legal CAD and now my Iyanden is not a strict CAD and I lose obsec on the guard. I really couldn't care less about the D weapons now, so there is a chance I may just still play 6th Eldar (I only have 1 WS and haven't used it yet). I will probably still buy the book, but if it requires me to invest in a lot more minis I don't want, I'll play 6th. Again, not worried about people's preconceived notions of cheese, just the money I invested in getting back into the game. My group are all big boys so won't cry if a few units are overpowered.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:01:30
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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You can run the wraith detachment without other troops.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:05:44
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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Battleship Captain
The Land of the Rising Sun
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Welcome to the new and improved codex finedesign (TM) After many years of hard work now GW can fulfill everybody's desires; Buy more miniatures (TM)
I got 3 games with the current codex before the edition change, imagine how happy I'm with the whole thing.
Not happy at all with the D weapon rules but on the other hand somebody does read the rules from time to time and found that Banshees were worthless as writen (still a lousy selection but...)
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Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:15:38
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Xerics wrote:niv-mizzet wrote: Xerics wrote: Red Corsair wrote:Pride has nothing to do with it. You can be proud of your collection and favored faction all while not supporting that disgrace of a book.
How am I supposed to play my army without buying the new book?
Step 1: explain some stuff about new eldar to your local meta
Step 2: ask them if they would just let you keep playing the 6e book.
they will thank you for it.
Sorry but there are people that run 5 Imperial Knight Armies... I have no sympathy for them.
Sometimes you just want to have a game with what you have accumulated over time, it's a problem for some...
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/644576.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:17:13
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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WayneTheGame wrote: Vaktathi wrote:Nocturnus wrote: Sir Arun wrote:Anybody else think 2 wound Exarchs is a pretty stupid thing?
It's a throw back to 2nd. They used to have 2W. GW is trying to make 7th into 2.5....
They seem to have forgotten that 2nd was a much more nuanced game with much more detailed rules and far lower model counts.
They also got 2nd to the point where the game was such a complicated and hideously unbalanced mess that they had to reboot the entire game.
Also 2nd had IMHO one of the best concepts which was the Mission Cards. And the strategy cards (except Virus Outbreak!).
But yeah, they seem to be trying to go back to 2nd edition but with none of the cool stuff that I remember from 2nd (although I was much younger so maybe it was just that). Ironically one of my first games of 2nd edition way back in uhh... 1996 I think was against someone playing Space Wolves and not only that but fielding an Armorcast Warhound Titan back when Armorcast made the weird resin superheavy stuff (and also the Falcon at the time). Dealing with Wolfguard Cyclone Missile Launchers + Assault Cannons and a Titan was not a fun way to introduce a newbie to the game.
I guess if I were to play 7th edition I'd have a similar experience 
2nd edition had so many broken rules but you really only remember how much fun it was. Try playing a guard army with 9 sentinels when they were standard with assault cannons and they were only affected by misfire if you rolled 3 misfires (akin to rolling three 1s). Then there was the harlequin army which required marines to roll a 7+ to hit with all of their funky modifiers and how fast they could move. Then there was the blood angel army where you had 2 tech marines, 8 tarantulas, and a death company squad with jump packs. Way too much dakka to handle. It was a time when tanks were just a coffin on wheels because nobody in their right mind would use a transport and risk the entire squad dying or getting pushed off the table. It was a time when someone had to ask permission to use special characters because the mere sight of Abbadon was enough to make a guard army break and run off the table. It was more of a skirmish game back then rather than a big battle because marines were 30 points base and you had to buy them in units of 10.
I think I still refer to them as the good old days too
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:17:17
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Suite wrote: ninjafiredragon wrote: Xerics wrote: ninjafiredragon wrote:I shudder at everyone who pre-orders and/or buys the limited edition books. I am actually disgusted that people do that.
But the viscous cycle must continue and the money sheep must be shaved so that gw can keep making these great balanced rule sets their so wildly known for.
Support your local non- gw flgs guys and order from there.
I bought the Special Edition. I'm sorry I have pride in my army and would like the tokens and cards as well. I only play Eldar and have been playing Eldar since I started in 4th. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you should criticize people who spend their own money the way they want to spend it.
Well for one burning an extra 60(?) dollars for the Limited Edition is just outright preposterous. Spend the extra money that you would save from buying the actual dex instead of LE by purchasing from small companies that produce far better tokens, and photoshop some much better cards.
I mean really paying that much for one book is just out right lunacy. Good job supporting the great rule-writing of Gw thought
( fyi im salty af right now at gw so...)
What's your concern? The Limited Edition was sold out in absolutely no time, seems there are many lunatics in the wild world. He can pretty much buy what he wants to, even seel it on ebay for double the price right now. Additionally, that doesn't mean what he supports at all, or do you support exploiting endless resources on our planet when you drive per bus or car? I bought myself a two-tomed, monumental monography some years ago about the codicology and art of bookmaking in early medieval St. Gallen for almost 200€ - a wonderful work. Keep the lunacy to you but don't tell Xerics what he is supposed to do. Whining about broken ingame stuff good and fine, but anyone here can do in RL what he/she pleases without having to get hammered in an online forum about a game.
However, I'm curious about if you define "pride in your army" with getting the Shiny Edition, Xerics?
The rpide in my army in getting the limited edition is for the Eldar themed tokens mainly. If I could get ahold of 5 bricks of Eldar themed Dice I would but companies won't put a symbol on the dice because of copyrights. Automatically Appended Next Post: SirDonlad wrote: Xerics wrote:niv-mizzet wrote: Xerics wrote: Red Corsair wrote:Pride has nothing to do with it. You can be proud of your collection and favored faction all while not supporting that disgrace of a book.
How am I supposed to play my army without buying the new book?
Step 1: explain some stuff about new eldar to your local meta
Step 2: ask them if they would just let you keep playing the 6e book.
they will thank you for it.
Sorry but there are people that run 5 Imperial Knight Armies... I have no sympathy for them.
Sometimes you just want to have a game with what you have accumulated over time, it's a problem for some...
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/644576.page
Yeah its a problem for me too. I have a Forgeworld Phantom and 2 Armorcast Revenant titans. I can count on one hand how many times I have gotten to use them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:20:44
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Xerics wrote:niv-mizzet wrote: Xerics wrote: Red Corsair wrote:Pride has nothing to do with it. You can be proud of your collection and favored faction all while not supporting that disgrace of a book.
How am I supposed to play my army without buying the new book?
Step 1: explain some stuff about new eldar to your local meta
Step 2: ask them if they would just let you keep playing the 6e book.
they will thank you for it.
Sorry but there are people that run 5 Imperial Knight Armies... I have no sympathy for them.
Then your problem is neatly solved. If the IKs are the kind of people that only play armies they can beat, then feth them. If they would like a challenge, then an Eldar opponent might be exactly what they are looking for.
But five knights? Oy. I strongly suspect they are the former, and might not play you. You're better off without them.
If you are still looking for an opponent, find another Eldar player. Hell, form an Eldar league. You'll get great games and avoid all this mess.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:28:59
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The only mess here is that people are childish enough to discount entire legal armies because they don't like their rules and declare that they are never going to play them.
I honestly do not think that the majority of the people playing this game today could even mentally survive the rogue trader era where you could literally just make things up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:29:08
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boyd wrote:WayneTheGame wrote: Vaktathi wrote:Nocturnus wrote: Sir Arun wrote:Anybody else think 2 wound Exarchs is a pretty stupid thing?
It's a throw back to 2nd. They used to have 2W. GW is trying to make 7th into 2.5....
They seem to have forgotten that 2nd was a much more nuanced game with much more detailed rules and far lower model counts.
They also got 2nd to the point where the game was such a complicated and hideously unbalanced mess that they had to reboot the entire game.
Also 2nd had IMHO one of the best concepts which was the Mission Cards. And the strategy cards (except Virus Outbreak!).
But yeah, they seem to be trying to go back to 2nd edition but with none of the cool stuff that I remember from 2nd (although I was much younger so maybe it was just that). Ironically one of my first games of 2nd edition way back in uhh... 1996 I think was against someone playing Space Wolves and not only that but fielding an Armorcast Warhound Titan back when Armorcast made the weird resin superheavy stuff (and also the Falcon at the time). Dealing with Wolfguard Cyclone Missile Launchers + Assault Cannons and a Titan was not a fun way to introduce a newbie to the game.
I guess if I were to play 7th edition I'd have a similar experience 
2nd edition had so many broken rules but you really only remember how much fun it was. Try playing a guard army with 9 sentinels when they were standard with assault cannons and they were only affected by misfire if you rolled 3 misfires (akin to rolling three 1s). Then there was the harlequin army which required marines to roll a 7+ to hit with all of their funky modifiers and how fast they could move. Then there was the blood angel army where you had 2 tech marines, 8 tarantulas, and a death company squad with jump packs. Way too much dakka to handle. It was a time when tanks were just a coffin on wheels because nobody in their right mind would use a transport and risk the entire squad dying or getting pushed off the table. It was a time when someone had to ask permission to use special characters because the mere sight of Abbadon was enough to make a guard army break and run off the table. It was more of a skirmish game back then rather than a big battle because marines were 30 points base and you had to buy them in units of 10.
I think I still refer to them as the good old days too
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I never said the "Good old days". I enjoyed 2nd, for what it was. Yes it had multitudes of "special" rules. I was merely pointing out that GW seems to be going back to 2nd, at least in spirit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:30:56
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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pretre wrote:You can run the wraith detachment without other troops.
so I don't have to take the Guardian warhost to get access to the wraithhost?
If so that will solve my issues as then I can load up on my harlies with Troops. I do usually run 2 wraithlords though, but nice to know that the option exists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:35:14
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Unrelenting Rubric Terminator of Tzeentch
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GW is not going to change by a few people boycotting it. If you hate so much THEN QUIT PLAYING and stop bitching!
Sell your models please and go play another game.
I remember the good old days and I personally loved 2nd edition. Especially when they came out with the card set. I guess I have likes 6th and 7th edition because it brought more to the game and did remind me of 2nd. The game will always change, but life will go on. I still have all my old models and very few have become obsolete. Heck even those I could repurpose. My Exodite Knight Titans I maade into Wraithknights. Each edition something becomes worse and something better. GW is a company after all and does want to sell models. Will something that sucked in a previous edition be better in the next ruleset? Sure. Things cycle
I played Eldar right before they came out with a 6th edition codex and still won a tournament with them. My first round was Gray knights and second was necrons which rocked in the beginning of 6th and I tabled 1 player and solidly beat another. Just because a codex is better or newer does not necessarily mean it is an auto win.
I took sisters of battle to Good Bad and the Ugly this year, I faced Daemons of Tzeentch with SCreamer star and beat them with full points, second round I faced Tau and got full points. ARe sisters of Battle Broken? I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Don't make people feel bad for buying the codex and supporting a hobby and game that they love. If you hate it so much please quit and stop bitching.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:36:26
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Swabby wrote:The only mess here is that people are childish enough to discount entire legal armies because they don't like their rules and declare that they are never going to play them.
I honestly do not think that the majority of the people playing this game today could even mentally survive the rogue trader era where you could literally just make things up.
Exactly. We still dig out Rogue Trader once in awhile, for gaks and giggles. People are hellbent on making 40k into a competitive game. GW has been moving away from this concept for years now. They no longer host or support tournaments. GW is all about "forging the narrative ". They expect, foolishly, that people will be reasonable when they play the game. They don't think about how people will min max everything and find loopholes to abuse.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 01:57:35
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Mymearan wrote:I'm sure a few of you have seen me defending GW in several threads. I have genuinely believed that they were on the right track with 7th and that the similar power level of all codices so far was a sign that they had started caring about balance. Even the Necron codex I could see as a lapse rather than the start of a trend. The excellent Skitarii release reassured me that I was right. Now... there's really nothing I can say. This is beyond my wildest fears, an abomination of a codex that has me considering selling my beloved Eldar and taking a long break from 40k. The worst thing is that this would probably not affect me personally in a huge way, since my group is largely casual. It's mainly that the faith I had in the future of the game has been completely shattered, and that has ruined most of the excitement and enthusiasm I have felt since getting back into 40k. Jesus.
I understand your sentiment. I played WorldEaters back in 3rd edition and watched my army get neutered through several codices. I still modeled and painted them. Ran a few berzerkers in other armies but if I tried to field them as worldeaters- there was always something missing. I had to wait almost 15 yrs for my army to get some lovin'. and I can say I'm really excitied for what I'm seeing.
My point is..Now Im so glad I never sold my army. I can break out the nostalgic figures and play with these awesome rules Khorne armies are getting. I would suggest the same to you. You can build so many piecemeal armies now in 7th, you could supplement your eldar with a few models from another army to fit your play style.
Opponents, if they've played long will feel your pain especially Ork and Chaos players like myself. In fact, most players, if they've been around long enough have had their army chanced, a lot of times for the worse. Thats why we play multiple armies. But remember sometimes when a new codex drops some people cry out about the sky falling because Geedub tightened up some loophole they were exploiting with their army sp of course it would be weakened.
Your army is an investment: of time and money. Your the best judge for what to do. I wouldn't make a hasty decision, I think for the most part geedub is heading in the right direction (for 40k anyway) and they are giving armiess so many optional ways to field their armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 02:04:05
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mr_draken wrote:Any chance you could list all the benefits from the different formations? That would be awesome.
Thanks.
That's a big one but lets go:
Guardian battlehost: Vypers, Warwalkers and Vaul's support batteries get preferred enemy if they have a unit of Guardias at 12". Guardians can purchase a Platform for free.
Windrider host: Once per game all formation gets Shred when firing shuriken weapons
Guardian Stormhost: Vypers, Warwalkers and Vaul's support batteries get preferred enemy if they have a unit of Guardias at 12". Storm guardians can purchase 2 special weapons for free.
Seer council: They harness Warp charges with 3+.
Aspect Host: They re-roll LD tests and get +1 to WS or BS.
Dire Avenger Shrine: Once per game, Shuriken weapons are Assault 3. +1 to BS
Crimson Death: Preferred enemy (Flying things), 4+ cover save, and if Jink, may re-roll the cover save.
Wraithhost: Get battle trance, if targe is at 18" or less from spiritser, reroll to hit
*Looking at his Khorne Deamonkin Formations..., try not to look at the Brazen onslaugth and Blood Storm formations, give too much of an hearth-ache*
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 02:06:17
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warboss wrote:Nocturnus wrote: Sir Arun wrote:Anybody else think 2 wound Exarchs is a pretty stupid thing?
It's a throw back to 2nd. They used to have 2W. GW is trying to make 7th into 2.5....
$5 Virus Bomb Dataslate incoming in 5... 4... 3... 2...
$6 Vaccine squig Dataslate incoming 5 seconds after
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@MrFlutterPie - That's not currently a service we offer, but you can purchase quality miniatures from us..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 02:06:48
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Seems like its turning more into a cycle rather than a doomsday scenario. I'm gonna hold on to my eldar regardless. My old avatar of khaine is just too full of good memories for me to dump it.
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No, GW is all about selling models to children and treating the rules like those games on the back of a cereal box. "Forge a narrative" is nothing more than an excuse for bad design, and all of the problems with competitive games are just as bad in casual/narrative games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 02:11:27
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I'm seeing people who I'd never thought I'd ever see say a single bad thing about GW calling this release bad (or at least expressing some negativity towards the release).
That's... kind of mind blowing.
Eiluj The Farseer wrote:GW is not going to change by a few people boycotting it. If you hate so much THEN QUIT PLAYING and stop bitching!
Sell your models please and go play another game.
I remember the good old days and I personally loved 2nd edition. Especially when they came out with the card set. I guess I have likes 6th and 7th edition because it brought more to the game and did remind me of 2nd. The game will always change, but life will go on. I still have all my old models and very few have become obsolete. Heck even those I could repurpose. My Exodite Knight Titans I maade into Wraithknights. Each edition something becomes worse and something better. GW is a company after all and does want to sell models. Will something that sucked in a previous edition be better in the next ruleset? Sure. Things cycle
I played Eldar right before they came out with a 6th edition codex and still won a tournament with them. My first round was Gray knights and second was necrons which rocked in the beginning of 6th and I tabled 1 player and solidly beat another. Just because a codex is better or newer does not necessarily mean it is an auto win.
I took sisters of battle to Good Bad and the Ugly this year, I faced Daemons of Tzeentch with SCreamer star and beat them with full points, second round I faced Tau and got full points. ARe sisters of Battle Broken? I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Don't make people feel bad for buying the codex and supporting a hobby and game that they love. If you hate it so much please quit and stop bitching.
I love when people complain about other people complaining about things they can't change when they themselves have no actual power to stop those people from complaining.
People are not happy, they're going to complain. You have no formal authority to stop them. If it makes you unhappy, take your own advice and leave the thread.
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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I keep coming back to see more rumors and I keep seeing people complaining. I literally have to dredge through the whining to find stuff from the book...
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The only silver lining is that all the strength D Eldar bring will make superheavies/GMCs/MCs and all that jazz laughably uncompetitive. This may mark a return to games were infantry dominates the field.
Too bad the scatterbikes then come in and push your infantry's s*** in...
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PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:I keep coming back to see more rumors and I keep seeing people complaining. I literally have to dredge through the whining to find stuff from the book...
Yeah no kidding. Ugh.
I like it so far and I'm looking forward to seeing that Rangers, Phoenix Lords, Vypers, and other things look like.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 02:18:09
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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Peregrine wrote:
No, GW is all about selling models to children and treating the rules like those games on the back of a cereal box. "Forge a narrative" is nothing more than an excuse for bad design, and all of the problems with competitive games are just as bad in casual/narrative games.
If you delete "to children" you'd be right  I think the crazy model buyers are mostly those with disposable incomes rather than allowances or lawnmowing bucks.
None of my friends come onto dakka or warseer because they find the boards much more negative than our actual gaming experience.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 02:19:13
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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Peregrine wrote:
No, GW is all about selling models to children and treating the rules like those games on the back of a cereal box. "Forge a narrative" is nothing more than an excuse for bad design, and all of the problems with competitive games are just as bad in casual/narrative games.
I guess you missed the quotation marks?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 02:20:35
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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Paramount Plague Censer Bearer
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PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:I keep coming back to see more rumors and I keep seeing people complaining. I literally have to dredge through the whining to find stuff from the book...
If you're just looking for information it does kind of suck to wade through a bunch of posts to look for new updates.
Some suggestions I can make if it really is too much would be to wait for one of the various 40k blogs to post a summary, or the OP to update, or check the source of the rumours themselves over at Warseer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 02:21:54
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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Talys wrote: Peregrine wrote:
No, GW is all about selling models to children and treating the rules like those games on the back of a cereal box. "Forge a narrative" is nothing more than an excuse for bad design, and all of the problems with competitive games are just as bad in casual/narrative games.
If you delete "to children" you'd be right  I think the crazy model buyers are mostly those with disposable incomes rather than allowances or lawnmowing bucks.
None of my friends come onto dakka or warseer because they find the boards much more negative than our actual gaming experience.
This is 100% true. When playing with friends its really easy to have fun games. It does make pick-up games more complicated though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 02:22:56
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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Deadly Dire Avenger
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mercury14 wrote: PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:I keep coming back to see more rumors and I keep seeing people complaining. I literally have to dredge through the whining to find stuff from the book...
Yeah no kidding. Ugh.
I like it so far and I'm looking forward to seeing that Rangers, Phoenix Lords, Vypers, and other things look like.
Yeah I'm thinking I need to leave this thread behind...it has certainly reminded me why I don't typically frequent DakkaDakka all that often though.
For the record I was going to go for the LE Codex as well, but ended up not doing it because it looks like it doesn't come with Tactical cards, just the psychic power ones, and I didn't really want resin markers. Who ever buys it deserves to do what ever they want with their money, if it sickens you that someone thinks getting a cool LE is worth it, well......personally you sicken me a bit
Edit: that last part wasn't going towards anyone in the quote, just to the board in general
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/18 02:32:15
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
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extremefreak17 wrote: Talys wrote: Peregrine wrote: No, GW is all about selling models to children and treating the rules like those games on the back of a cereal box. "Forge a narrative" is nothing more than an excuse for bad design, and all of the problems with competitive games are just as bad in casual/narrative games. If you delete "to children" you'd be right  I think the crazy model buyers are mostly those with disposable incomes rather than allowances or lawnmowing bucks. None of my friends come onto dakka or warseer because they find the boards much more negative than our actual gaming experience. This is 100% true. When playing with friends its really easy to have fun games. It does make pick-up games more complicated though. I still chuckle that people think Dakkadakka is a negative board. It's probably one of the best boards I've been on with a solid moderation team (not a kiss ass statement, either; they're good at their positions). The problem is that most 40k players have rose tinted glasses and live in their bubble worlds (See: 9E Fantasy for more details!) of house rules and kid gloves. So when they come to a forum where the only rules that matter are those printed in books you purchase with hard earned cash and they are reviewed honestly and fairly by what's in them and see the truth of the matter... Well then it's "whine" this and " WAAC" that. Sure, from that perspective, I'd agree. But these forums are totally not toxic or negative in the least. Other games don't have a blame the player mentality. None of them, that I'm aware of. It's the unique thing fostered by GW being the biggest kid on the block for so long, but with minimal support to the community. Other games, when something is busted, they all turn towards the boards and duke it out. Usually there's some doom and gloom, but if it's truly broken, it's fixed. This stuff? I don't know if it's 100% game breaking, but it's certainly extremely undercosted for the capabilities presented. And it's going to cause a lot of house rules to start flying, too. Edit: Oh, and comments like "I've eaten better written bowls of Alphabits" are certainly hyperbole to GW's lackadaisical writing style, but it's funny.
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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