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**mercury14**

Anyone know if Shining Spears are still saddled with the impact rule?

**Vaktathi**

TheKbob wrote:
extremefreak17 wrote:
Talys wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
Nocturnus wrote:
GW is all about "forging the narrative ".

No, GW is all about selling models to children and treating the rules like those games on the back of a cereal box. "Forge a narrative" is nothing more than an excuse for bad design, and all of the problems with competitive games are just as bad in casual/narrative games.

If you delete "to children" you'd be right I think the crazy model buyers are mostly those with disposable incomes rather than allowances or lawnmowing bucks.

None of my friends come onto dakka or warseer because they find the boards much more negative than our actual gaming experience.

This is 100% true. When playing with friends its really easy to have fun games. It does make pick-up games more complicated though.

I still chuckle that people think Dakkadakka is a negative board. It's probably one of the best boards I've been on with a solid moderation team (not a kiss ass statement, either; they're good at their positions).

The problem is that most 40k players have rose tinted glasses and live in their bubble worlds (See: 9E Fantasy for more details!) of house rules and kid gloves. So when they come to a forum where the only rules that matter are those printed in books you purchase with hard earned cash and they are reviewed honestly and fairly by what's in them and see the truth of the matter...

Well then it's "whine" this and "WAAC" that.

Sure, from that perspective, I'd agree. But these forums are totally not toxic or negative in the least.

Indeed, Dakka is probably the most active and best organized tabletop gaming board out there with some of the best and most even handed moderation I've seen. You get negativity in places like this because this is where people come to discuss and vent, while game night is where they go to have fun and hang out, but Dakka is hardly overwhelmingly negative.

**Hollismason**

So yeah just gonna put these Dark Reapers in this here Open Top Venom.

Kill everything that flies.

**TheKbob**

Hollismason wrote:
So yeah just gonna put these Dark Reapers in this here Open Top Venom.

Kill everything that flies.

Yeah, basically Eldar just need a strong source of the D (e.g. Wraithknights) and then a consistent way to kill Helldrakes (Reapers?) and Bob's Your Uncle.

Though won't a Venom become an easy bake oven for Crispy Eldar Bits in 7E?

**Slayer le boucher**

Swabby wrote:
The only mess here is that people are childish enough to discount entire legal armies because they don't like their rules and declare that they are never going to play them.

I honestly do not think that the majority of the people playing this game today could even mentally survive the rogue trader era where you could literally just make things up.

Yeah..., but that was the same for everyone, not only Eldars...

If in 5 months i get a World Eaters codex with my Zerkers that have S: D Chainaxes and 25pts Chosen Zerkers on Juggers, and a Khorne cannon that shoot Dual wielding D chainaxes Zerkers and they all get a rule where they Deny The Witch on ANY Psy power (even blessings) on a 2+, then i would have no qualms playing versius Eldars with a Wraith heavy lists.

They could have keep things simple, no, they feel the need to throw fething D weapons on half the codex units and gave unneccesary buffs to units that din't need it, while leaving others units in the dark.

Of course its harsh to say to someone who simply wants to play"feth off WAAAC douchebag!", but the problem is that evne in friendly, NOTHING guarantees that they will not subdue to the Dark side of the game...

Don't Forget a game needs two players to be enjoyable, else its just masturbation.

**Hollismason**

Well the Venom can jink all day long and it doesn't bother the Dark Reapers at all. Plus with just being able to murderize Flyrants etc.. it's pretty good unit already but now it's even better.

**Accolade**

Swabby wrote:
The only mess here is that people are childish enough to discount entire legal armies because they don't like their rules and declare that they are never going to play them.

I honestly do not think that the majority of the people playing this game today could even mentally survive the rogue trader era where you could literally just make things up.

It probably helped that the Rogue Trader book wasn't $85 and the little army pamphlets weren't $50. And that Rogue Trader wasn't the 7th attempt to make the game right.

**whembly**

Hollismason wrote:
Well the Venom can jink all day long and it doesn't bother the Dark Reapers at all. Plus with just being able to murderize Flyrants etc.. it's pretty good unit already but now it's even better.

I think we're going to see Dark Reapers as mainstay in many armies.

**Hollismason**

Watch them get free Flakk missiles and be 25 points plus get all that.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Wait I just realized Aspect Host probably applies to Dark Reapers, enjoy BS5 Dark Reapers if that thing allows them to be taken. So BS5 reroll to hit.

**mercury14**

I see people saying that Guardians didn't change... and also that guardians get a shuriken cannon platform for free now. Which is it, anyone know?

**Brookgrim**

Pre ordered the codex, 10 boxes of the wind riders, 3 jetseers, 5 WG, & 3 WK.

I'm happy to support GW for making amazing models and rules!

**quickfuze**

Brookgrim wrote:
Pre ordered the codex, 10 boxes of the wind riders, 3 jetseers, 5 WG, & 3 WK.

I'm happy to support GW for making amazing models and rules!

Suuuuurrree you did there guy

**BlaxicanX**

ronin_cse wrote:
Yeah I'm thinking I need to leave this thread behind...it has certainly reminded me why I don't typically frequent DakkaDakka all that often though.

You can't stand people disliking the things you like?

**SilverDevilfish**

mercury14 wrote:
I see people saying that Guardians didn't change... and also that guardians get a shuriken cannon platform for free now. Which is it, anyone know?

The free platform is a formation bonus.

**Goobi2**

I'm excited for things like a full squad of Falcons precision Deep Striking 3 squads of Fire Dragons (or whatever) exactly where they need to be. Dragons disembark and do what they do best, (at BS5) Falcons pour respectable fire power into something else.

**mercury14**

Goobi2 wrote:
I'm excited for things like a full squad of Falcons precision Deep Striking 3 squads of Fire Dragons (or whatever) exactly where they need to be. Dragons disembark and do what they do best, (at BS5) Falcons pour respectable fire power into something else.

Speaking of Fire Dragons... how is it possible that there's no word on them?

**Byte**

Dire Avengers point value?

**mercury14**

Byte wrote:
Dire Avengers point value?

Unchanged. Still troops.

They overwatch BS2... no more counterattack.

Exarch gets battle fortune for free, 2W....

A formation lets them be BS5.... another lets them be assault 3 I think at least sometimes

**Marsyas**

nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

What I would like to know is this: is equivalent points of Wraithguard deep striking with an allied Archaon more effective than three 6-man squads of Fire Dragons deep striking in three Falcons?

**Sidstyler**

BlaxicanX wrote:
ronin_cse wrote:
Yeah I'm thinking I need to leave this thread behind...it has certainly reminded me why I don't typically frequent DakkaDakka all that often though.
You can't stand people disliking the things you like?

When people go on small rants saying they're not only boycotting Eldar, but refusing to play against anyone bringing Eldar to the table, and judging every Eldar player as some donkey-cave who only cares about winning games at your expense, no matter the length of time they've been playing Eldar or 40k in general, and arguing that Eldar players all need to be "punished" in order to teach Games Workshop a lesson (which will totes work guys because GW cares about our opinions, honest!)...I think things have gone far beyond simple "dislike".

I do like how the new jetbike kit actually has enough guns to give them all the options, though. That has to be a GW first. It's just too bad it had to be this unit that no one's even going to "let" you play with anyway, so there's no reason to waste your money collecting them.

**valace2**

Hi, my name is Mr Custer and to my left is Mr Pickett. We are off to charge the Eldar with our 30 tactical marines, half dozen centurions, and over priced vehicles.

Wish us luck.

**Byte**

mercury14 wrote:
Byte wrote:
Dire Avengers point value?

Unchanged. Still troops.

They overwatch BS2... no more counterattack.

Exarch gets battle fortune for free, 2W....

A formation lets them be BS5.... another lets them be assault 3 I think at least sometimes

*Offers a slow bow with the sign of the Aquila. "Thank you good Sir."

**Sarigar**

Marsyas wrote:
nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

What I would like to know is this: is equivalent points of Wraithguard deep striking with an allied Archaon more effective than three 6-man squads of Fire Dragons deep striking in three Falcons?

This is pretty cool. Disembark FD in a line lined along the side and rear armor of an IK. Once the IK player declares shield facing (at the beginning of the shooting phase), you then can Battle Focus to the non shield side. If using the Formation, the FD are BS5.

**mercury14**

Sarigar wrote:
Marsyas wrote:
nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

What I would like to know is this: is equivalent points of Wraithguard deep striking with an allied Archaon more effective than three 6-man squads of Fire Dragons deep striking in three Falcons?

This is pretty cool. Disembark FD in a line lined along the side and rear armor of an IK. Once the IK player declares shield facing (at the beginning of the shooting phase), you then can Battle Focus to the non shield side. If using the Formation, the FD are BS5.

Been doing that for a while.

**Eiluj The Farseer**

SilverDevilfish wrote:
I'm seeing people who I'd never thought I'd ever see say a single bad thing about GW calling this release bad (or at least expressing some negativity towards the release).

That's... kind of mind blowing.

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
GW is not going to change by a few people boycotting it. If you hate so much THEN QUIT PLAYING and stop bitching!
Sell your models please and go play another game.
I remember the good old days and I personally loved 2nd edition. Especially when they came out with the card set. I guess I have likes 6th and 7th edition because it brought more to the game and did remind me of 2nd. The game will always change, but life will go on. I still have all my old models and very few have become obsolete. Heck even those I could repurpose. My Exodite Knight Titans I maade into Wraithknights. Each edition something becomes worse and something better. GW is a company after all and does want to sell models. Will something that sucked in a previous edition be better in the next ruleset? Sure. Things cycle
I played Eldar right before they came out with a 6th edition codex and still won a tournament with them. My first round was Gray knights and second was necrons which rocked in the beginning of 6th and I tabled 1 player and solidly beat another. Just because a codex is better or newer does not necessarily mean it is an auto win.
I took sisters of battle to Good Bad and the Ugly this year, I faced Daemons of Tzeentch with SCreamer star and beat them with full points, second round I faced Tau and got full points. ARe sisters of Battle Broken? I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Don't make people feel bad for buying the codex and supporting a hobby and game that they love. If you hate it so much please quit and stop bitching.

I love when people complain about other people complaining about things they can't change when they themselves have no actual power to stop those people from complaining.

People are not happy, they're going to complain. You have no formal authority to stop them. If it makes you unhappy, take your own advice and leave the thread.

True people are going to complain
about something they have not seen yet. You are not going to change the game. Adapt or stop playing.
I think Dakka is a good spot and bad. This thread was originally for rumors. But go ahead and Nerd rage. It will not change anything. But you are right I can't stop you. But go and whine about it. But all you are doing is clogging the thread with idle crap that achieves nothing. Congratulations
And although some rumors may turn out to not be true it is what is it is supposed to be fun and suspense.

**Vaktathi**

mercury14 wrote:
I see people saying that Guardians didn't change... and also that guardians get a shuriken cannon platform for free now. Which is it, anyone know?

I think one of the formations gives it?

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
SilverDevilfish wrote:
I'm seeing people who I'd never thought I'd ever see say a single bad thing about GW calling this release bad (or at least expressing some negativity towards the release).

That's... kind of mind blowing.

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
GW is not going to change by a few people boycotting it. If you hate so much THEN QUIT PLAYING and stop bitching!
Sell your models please and go play another game.
I remember the good old days and I personally loved 2nd edition. Especially when they came out with the card set. I guess I have likes 6th and 7th edition because it brought more to the game and did remind me of 2nd. The game will always change, but life will go on. I still have all my old models and very few have become obsolete. Heck even those I could repurpose. My Exodite Knight Titans I maade into Wraithknights. Each edition something becomes worse and something better. GW is a company after all and does want to sell models. Will something that sucked in a previous edition be better in the next ruleset? Sure. Things cycle
I played Eldar right before they came out with a 6th edition codex and still won a tournament with them. My first round was Gray knights and second was necrons which rocked in the beginning of 6th and I tabled 1 player and solidly beat another. Just because a codex is better or newer does not necessarily mean it is an auto win.
I took sisters of battle to Good Bad and the Ugly this year, I faced Daemons of Tzeentch with SCreamer star and beat them with full points, second round I faced Tau and got full points. ARe sisters of Battle Broken? I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Don't make people feel bad for buying the codex and supporting a hobby and game that they love. If you hate it so much please quit and stop bitching.

I love when people complain about other people complaining about things they can't change when they themselves have no actual power to stop those people from complaining.

People are not happy, they're going to complain. You have no formal authority to stop them. If it makes you unhappy, take your own advice and leave the thread.

True people are going to complain
about something they have not seen yet. You are not going to change the game. Adapt or stop playing.
I think Dakka is a good spot and bad. This thread was originally for rumors. But go ahead and Nerd rage. It will not change anything. But you are right I can't stop you. But go and whine about it. But all you are doing is clogging the thread with idle crap that achieves nothing. Congratulations
And although some rumors may turn out to not be true it is what is it is supposed to be fun and suspense.

On no, people discussing their opinions about rumors (now largely confirmed changes) on a discussion board, whatever shall we do!

**Sarigar**

mercury14 wrote:
Sarigar wrote:
Marsyas wrote:
nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

What I would like to know is this: is equivalent points of Wraithguard deep striking with an allied Archaon more effective than three 6-man squads of Fire Dragons deep striking in three Falcons?

This is pretty cool. Disembark FD in a line lined along the side and rear armor of an IK. Once the IK player declares shield facing (at the beginning of the shooting phase), you then can Battle Focus to the non shield side. If using the Formation, the FD are BS5.

Been doing that for a while.

With a WWP, sure. This combo may not be points efficient, but it's been years since I looked at my Falcons in any meaningful way.

**H.B.M.C.**

mr_draken wrote:
There are no "chapter tactics".

And the hopes of Chaos players everywhere grow a little dimmer...

**warboss**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
mr_draken wrote:
There are no "chapter tactics".

And the hopes of Chaos players everywhere grow a little dimmer...

Wait... after a decade, some still had hope?

**MasterSlowPoke**

MrFlutterPie wrote:
warboss wrote:
Nocturnus wrote:
Sir Arun wrote:
Anybody else think 2 wound Exarchs is a pretty stupid thing?

It's a throw back to 2nd. They used to have 2W. GW is trying to make 7th into 2.5....

$5 Virus Bomb Dataslate incoming in 5... 4... 3... 2...

$6 Vaccine squig Dataslate incoming 5 seconds after

Don't do that, it'll cause Waaaghtisim