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OgreChubbs wrote:

Kendo wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
If you can afford multiple armies and want to continue playing Warhammer Fantasy, why not build modest sized armies for multiple factions (say 2000-3000 points) and collect all the rulebooks, so that you can provide all the materials necessary to play the game and the only investment you're asking of your opponents is their time? People might be more inclined to play a game if they don't have to make a huge financial investment.

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Go home Kirby. You're drunk.

But seriously, that might work for board games but who can afford multiple armies of 500 to 1000 dollars a piece. I love encouraging my friends to share my hobbies but that is a bit excessive.

sadly over the years i have collected that much lol and books, the problem is getting people to play. My wife plays but she has been getting into sculpting alot more then anything else. But for armies i have the book for them all and have atleast 3k for
orcs and goblins, empire, skaven, dark elves, woodelves, beastmen, demons of chaos all but tzeench, lizardmen, vampires, tombkings and warriors of chaos.

And I think 10k worth of ogres. I got atleast 2heroes/2lords/1special characters of every character.
And 4 boxes of every unit -_-

But if they are being squated curse them curse them ALLLLLLLL. Plus I miss the rules for pit fights Can't get anyone to give me a pit fight match anymore.

p.s. If they stop seelling the books does that mean they will be legal to dl from a third party website?

Give Kings of War a shot - the rules are free, so there is no risk.

And Mantic allows all sorts of minis in their games, not just official Kings of War minis.

There is even an army list for Ogres.... (Though I like them better as allies.)

The Auld Grump

 Azreal13 wrote:
Apparently, somebody in the GW Financials thread in General is claiming it still sells like hot cakes in some territories according to a senior GW manager who told them.

Others are viewing this skeptically.

Sadly, New Zealand cannot keep the entire line afloat by themselves no mater how many $20 finecast golem in a fish basket blisters they buy..

 mikhaila wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Apparently, somebody in the GW Financials thread in General is claiming it still sells like hot cakes in some territories according to a senior GW manager who told them.

Others are viewing this skeptically.

Oh, i'm sure it does. You're going to have huge variation in sales. I see it all the time on retailer boards in the US. Same sized and similar stores having vastly different sales numbers. This is due to local conditions. So some GW stores are going gangbusters, while others are sucking wind badly.

And overall, they are down about 5% for the year.

Perhaps I should clarify that the skepticism is that it's selling in any statistically significant way, as I said in that thread, it's like having a number one single in Kazakhstan, sure, you can claim all sorts of positives from it, call yourself a number one selling artist etc, but ultimately, in the final analysis, it doesn't really count for much.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:

Kendo wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
If you can afford multiple armies and want to continue playing Warhammer Fantasy, why not build modest sized armies for multiple factions (say 2000-3000 points) and collect all the rulebooks, so that you can provide all the materials necessary to play the game and the only investment you're asking of your opponents is their time? People might be more inclined to play a game if they don't have to make a huge financial investment.

).

Go home Kirby. You're drunk.

But seriously, that might work for board games but who can afford multiple armies of 500 to 1000 dollars a piece. I love encouraging my friends to share my hobbies but that is a bit excessive.

sadly over the years i have collected that much lol and books, the problem is getting people to play. My wife plays but she has been getting into sculpting alot more then anything else. But for armies i have the book for them all and have atleast 3k for
orcs and goblins, empire, skaven, dark elves, woodelves, beastmen, demons of chaos all but tzeench, lizardmen, vampires, tombkings and warriors of chaos.

And I think 10k worth of ogres. I got atleast 2heroes/2lords/1special characters of every character.
And 4 boxes of every unit -_-

But if they are being squated curse them curse them ALLLLLLLL. Plus I miss the rules for pit fights Can't get anyone to give me a pit fight match anymore.

p.s. If they stop seelling the books does that mean they will be legal to dl from a third party website?

Give Kings of War a shot - the rules are free, so there is no risk.

And Mantic allows all sorts of minis in their games, not just official Kings of War minis.

There is even an army list for Ogres.... (Though I like them better as allies.)

The Auld Grump

hmmmm you may have saved my wargaming life and murdered my wallet lol.

thank you for showing me that

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'm going to be using my LOTR models for D&D, once I can get a campaign going at my club. I have no intent of abandoning my LOTR collection, even if I do eventually quit the SBG game.

No reason why people can't take their existing Warhammer collections and adapt to a new rules system like Kings of War. In fact, doesn't Mantic Games encourage that?

I have my eye on Kings of War as a way of continuing the existing WHFB style of play armies; I have heard that Mantic has lists to play current Warhammer armies in the Kings of War rules although I have yet to see them (if you have a direct link please post it!!) I'm still tied to Warhammer with a Dwarf and Night Goblin army that I love and want to finish in the style of the current ranked units. Have a few other armies sitting on shelves (Ogres. Daemons, C.Dwarfs) that I might look to offload once I can see what Age of Sigmar looks like. As it stands though the current lack of information has been fairly frustrating and on more than a few occasions I've had to stop myself purchasing stuff until I can be sure it won't be obsolete in a few months time.

I wouldn't agree with making an impulse decision to just get rid of all WHFB models as a reaction to the new 9th rumours as some have suggested here; there's only a few weeks left to see the lay of the land!

I see a poster earlier on in the thread mentioned that some of the scenery items were no longer available from the website; really wanted to pick up a Garden of Morr box and maybe a Fortress before GW pulled them...can't understand why they don't give advanced notification when they intend to pull items from their line??

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'm going to be using my LOTR models for D&D, once I can get a campaign going at my club. I have no intent of abandoning my LOTR collection, even if I do eventually quit the SBG game.

No reason why people can't take their existing Warhammer collections and adapt to a new rules system like Kings of War. In fact, doesn't Mantic Games encourage that?

I have my eye on Kings of War as a way of continuing the existing WHFB style of play armies; I have heard that Mantic has lists to play current Warhammer armies in the Kings of War rules although I have yet to see them (if you have a direct link please post it!!) I'm still tied to Warhammer with a Dwarf and Night Goblin army that I love and want to finish in the style of the current ranked units. Have a few other armies sitting on shelves (Ogres. Daemons, C.Dwarfs) that I might look to offload once I can see what Age of Sigmar looks like. As it stands though the current lack of information has been fairly frustrating and on more than a few occasions I've had to stop myself purchasing stuff until I can be sure it won't be obsolete in a few months time.

I wouldn't agree with making an impulse decision to just get rid of all WHFB models as a reaction to the new 9th rumours as some have suggested here; there's only a few weeks left to see the lay of the land!

I see a poster earlier on in the thread mentioned that some of the scenery items were no longer available from the website; really wanted to pick up a Garden of Morr box and maybe a Fortress before GW pulled them...can't understand why they don't give advanced notification when they intend to pull items from their line??

Here is a Spreadsheet of the first three armies. Ratkin (Skaven), The Herd (Neutral aligned Beastmen), and the League of Rhordia (Empire).

Still in Beta, but worth trying out!

The Auld Grump

 Azreal13 wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Apparently, somebody in the GW Financials thread in General is claiming it still sells like hot cakes in some territories according to a senior GW manager who told them.

Others are viewing this skeptically.

Oh, i'm sure it does. You're going to have huge variation in sales. I see it all the time on retailer boards in the US. Same sized and similar stores having vastly different sales numbers. This is due to local conditions. So some GW stores are going gangbusters, while others are sucking wind badly.

And overall, they are down about 5% for the year.

Perhaps I should clarify that the skepticism is that it's selling in any statistically significant way, as I said in that thread, it's like having a number one single in Kazakhstan, sure, you can claim all sorts of positives from it, call yourself a number one selling artist etc, but ultimately, in the final analysis, it doesn't really count for much.

Agreed. A few hotspots don't matter. Sales in the rest of the world are pretty poor. Normally I am encouraged by GW to carry their full line, and have for 30 years. Not so with LOTR, and actually quite the opposite. My sales rep was quite happy to have me dump what little I had left to make room for a blank part of the wall to put up an Age of Sigmar 'coming soon' poster.

 Yodhrin wrote:

overtyrant wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Well with all books going on june 26 even storm of magic and treachery i am done. On june 4 i think i will be leaving the hobby and this board for good . Guess it has been a good run.

Over dramatic much? Why don't you wait snd give this game a go or you know try one off the many other games out there.

I never get this response. If someone was a huge football fan, played amateur football at the weekends etc, and then the governing body of the sport completely changed the rules and purged half the teams from the professional leagues, killing the one they supported in the process, and that person subsequently decided that the things they enjoyed about football had been taken away so they were done with it, would you say "hey man, don't be so over-dramatic, try Tennis!"?

I think that's being a bit facetious Yodhrin.. there is a much, much smaller difference between one wargame and another, when compared to football and tennis. Half of them have been designed by the same people for a start, or borrowed elements/mechanics from one or another..

or you could.. you know just find another game system to play your miniatures with. Just use the same lore and expand on it if you want. Find other people that are fed up and make a group,you already have models all you need is a rule set.

 Pacific wrote:

I think that's being a bit facetious Yodhrin.. there is a much, much smaller difference between one wargame and another, when compared to football and tennis. Half of them have been designed by the same people for a start, or borrowed elements/mechanics from one or another..

It really depends on what Ogrechubbs meant by 'hobby'. In the sense that GW attempts to pretend that they are a complete hobby then I agree completely with Yodhrins comments, in the wider wargaming sense then obviously giving up on little men entirely is the nuclear option.

Had this come down from one of the LGS I buy from online;

"Age of Sigmar is coming. What is actually contains or what rules will be present is anyones guess!!

This will be available to pre-order from us at 10am on 4th July. It will be 25% off RRP until Monday 7th July to give you some heads up. After this time it will return to 20%

We will also be having an Age of Sigmar event on the 12th July to attempt to try and figure out what is going on!!

More information will be available in due course!"

Though unlike the thing on BOLS where the guy was on about prelaunch event to drum up interest this has launch day event..... still at 25% off I'll jump on this and simply resell it easy if its not great.

Davylove21 wrote:
GW aren't actually the King of anyone.

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:If you can afford multiple armies and want to continue playing Warhammer Fantasy, why not build modest sized armies for multiple factions (say 2000-3000 points) and collect all the rulebooks, so that you can provide all the materials necessary to play the game and the only investment you're asking of your opponents is their time? People might be more inclined to play a game if they don't have to make a huge financial investment.

I'm doing it with LOTR SBG.

People do this at my gaming club, but with board games. Between the ~10 of us, we own like 20+ board games. Games that I would never have played if somebody else hadn't made the investment on my behalf.

Haight wrote:Yup, I already do that. I have 3 really close friends that play and have armies. I have 3 more that play because they use one of mine, but either don't have the means or quite the desire level enough to take the plunge. Between my combined flavors of Elves, ogres, and chaos dwarves, I have enough to supply probably 5 other people playing.

I think its cool there are other people out there that do this with games they like.

This! It's not difficult, at all. I've put on intro games of Gutshot (pretty easy when you just need a handful of wild west minis and photocopies of the character and action sheets. I should show off me makeshift cardboard town too.), put on a quick intro of Dystopian Wars by splitting a starter box and a couple of extras, introduced a club to Warlord Games' trio of rules (they already had their armies, particularly ECW armies, and were looking for better rules 'cos Warhammer Historicals wasn't cutting it), and I've got a couple of Warmaster armies that need a few finishing touches and unit calculations 'til I put on some games of Mayhem. I'd bought a bunch of cheap starter set Skaven off ebay for the same purpose (but on a bigger scale) and still might carry that out, or I might save them for Dragon Rampant instead. (Smaller, almost skirmish armies, arguably better suited for the cost and preparation of 28mm minis. Sounds familiar...)

Kendo wrote:But seriously, that might work for board games but who can afford multiple armies of 500 to 1000 dollars a piece. I love encouraging my friends to share my hobbies but that is a bit excessive.

Hence my last sentence. Heck, even other mass battle systems don't demand the sheer unit footprint area combined with an expensive wound marker per every 20x20mm or so of it, as Warhammer does.

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Is LOTR still around even? I always found it to be superior to WFB......

Hell yes. Its a small but vibrant community. Just look up the Great British Hobbit League on facebook, and the One RIng forum.

This. Just 'cos it's not being played in GW stores, or even FLGSs trying to sell the newest stuff, doesn't mean it's gone, or 'dead'.

Lots of people on this very forum have several armies, built up over years.

And like I said, if people would just free themselves of this blindly loyal mindset of only ever using GW models, then they could shop around for cheaper alternatives.

cerealkiller195 wrote:or you could.. you know just find another game system to play your miniatures with. Just use the same lore and expand on it if you want. Find other people that are fed up and make a group,you already have models all you need is a rule set.

This too! Can't understand how people cling so hard to the idea that they (and their gaming buddies) somehow won't be able to play big-battle Warhammer with their multiple, viable, big-battle Warhammer armies. Or with other manufacturers armies.(remember Mantic, Gamezone, Avatars of War, Shieldwolf et al, at the very least?) Or other games with their Warhammer armies. The ability and availability for a gaming group to pick and choose for themselves whatever minis, rules and background they prefer is greater than a lot of GW or other gamers seem to think, if they just take a few small steps.

OgreChubbs wrote:
hmmmm you may have saved my wargaming life and murdered my wallet lol.

As above, why murdered? Don't you already have Warhammer armies?

 Vermis wrote:

cerealkiller195 wrote:or you could.. you know just find another game system to play your miniatures with. Just use the same lore and expand on it if you want. Find other people that are fed up and make a group,you already have models all you need is a rule set.

This too! Can't understand how people cling so hard to the idea that they (and their gaming buddies) somehow won't be able to play big-battle Warhammer with their multiple, viable, big-battle Warhammer armies. Or with other manufacturers armies.(remember Mantic, Gamezone, Avatars of War, Shieldwolf et al, at the very least?) Or other games with their Warhammer armies. The ability and availability for a gaming group to pick and choose for themselves whatever minis, rules and background they prefer is greater than a lot of GW or other gamers seem to think, if they just take a few small steps.

The difficulty with this is that a large part of the appeal of GW games is the ability to take those models to any gaming store and play the same game you can't get that just by organizing a gaming group. There is also a lot more inertia in getting a gaming group to use rules that are effectively unknown. I've seen it happen; if GW has a bad rule people complain but largely accept it because ultimately that play anywhere appeal outweighs the flaw, but when you're trying to get players to use a new rule set that doesn't have that when you hit flaws "the game is broken" and people just start dropping out.

I'm actually tentatively excited to see the outcome of all this.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm actually tentatively excited to see the outcome of all this.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what they come up with to reinvigorate the line! Only AFTER I have tried the game and read the fluff I will either be sad to see it's passing or cheer for its success, but only after.


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 Bull0 wrote:

overtyrant wrote:


How about we wait and see eh? How do you know the sky is falling if FIFA haven't told you anything about the new game? The best response would be to wait and see and after you have tried the new game if you do not like the changes then any statements about quiting wouldn't be seen as childish.

If everyone adopted a 'wait and see' approach there wouldn't be much rumour discussion going on in the rumour forum. Just saying.

Lol where did I say rumours can't be discussed? I said only to wait and see to see what the game and fluff is actually like before throwing away your toys. Just saying.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Vermis wrote:

cerealkiller195 wrote:or you could.. you know just find another game system to play your miniatures with. Just use the same lore and expand on it if you want. Find other people that are fed up and make a group,you already have models all you need is a rule set.

This too! Can't understand how people cling so hard to the idea that they (and their gaming buddies) somehow won't be able to play big-battle Warhammer with their multiple, viable, big-battle Warhammer armies. Or with other manufacturers armies.(remember Mantic, Gamezone, Avatars of War, Shieldwolf et al, at the very least?) Or other games with their Warhammer armies. The ability and availability for a gaming group to pick and choose for themselves whatever minis, rules and background they prefer is greater than a lot of GW or other gamers seem to think, if they just take a few small steps.

The difficulty with this is that a large part of the appeal of GW games is the ability to take those models to any gaming store and play the same game you can't get that just by organizing a gaming group. There is also a lot more inertia in getting a gaming group to use rules that are effectively unknown. I've seen it happen; if GW has a bad rule people complain but largely accept it because ultimately that play anywhere appeal outweighs the flaw, but when you're trying to get players to use a new rule set that doesn't have that when you hit flaws "the game is broken" and people just start dropping out.

Yeah, pretty much.

The whole "GW isn't going to melt your models and shred the old books!" argument is a pretty lame one.

Clearly GW isn't going to do these things but unless you have a stellar gaming group and/or gaming space in your basement, once a game is 'dead', it becomes increasingly difficult and inevitably impossible to find a game.

Still, all things change, I suppose.

Maybe there will be enough people upset and unhappy with AoS that there will be enough momentum to keep 'Warhammer' unofficially going.

 aka_mythos wrote:
The difficulty with this is that a large part of the appeal of GW games is the ability to take those models to any gaming store and play the same game you can't get that just by organizing a gaming group. There is also a lot more inertia in getting a gaming group to use rules that are effectively unknown. I've seen it happen; if GW has a bad rule people complain but largely accept it because ultimately that play anywhere appeal outweighs the flaw, but when you're trying to get players to use a new rule set that doesn't have that when you hit flaws "the game is broken" and people just start dropping out.

But Warhammer has exactly this problem.
You cannot get into a store ans play Warhammer. First you have to ask which houserules they use or if they use a different army composition system.
Also if you have a gaming group, there are never all satisfied with the houserules some players want to use.

Playing Warhammer outside your own group or a GW store leads to the same problems like playing a different rule set.

Interesting how on the GW website right now for the Warhammer portion all of the End Times books are on the page for it...not sure why they would do that if the new edition is coming out soon?
I want some picture or some sort of more solid rumours. I want it to be July 4th already

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm actually tentatively excited to see the outcome of all this.

As someone who buys almost no Warhammer Fantasy models and doesn't play WHFB (Excluding Bloodthirster, which can be fielded for 40k, the only models I bought last year were Nagash and Treeman Ancient), Sigmar sounds kind of neat, and I *might* buy it just for kicks and small turn games.

If the games are short, it may turn into something that we play sporadically, as we do with Kill Team and Warmachines -- happens some times if a couple of us are early and we're waiting on people; or we finish early and the night is to late to start another proper game.

Eh?!

If you're changing the absolute basics of Warhams it isn't Warhams!

Edit - this was a reply to big chief.

 monders wrote:
Eh?!

If you're changing the absolute basics of Warhams it isn't Warhams!

Edit - this was a reply to big chief.

I literally have NO idea what you are talking about? haha

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Interesting how on the GW website right now for the Warhammer portion all of the End Times books are on the page for it...not sure why they would do that if the new edition is coming out soon?
I want some picture or some sort of more solid rumours. I want it to be July 4th already

Because they won't do anything to let us know about a new edition until a week before it's released. they won't stop selling anything until then.

Well to be fair right at the top of the description of all the 'end times' books it does say

This product will be removed from sale on June 26th. The Age of Sigmar is coming!

so there is plenty of warning that this is not going to be current for long

 Talys wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm actually tentatively excited to see the outcome of all this.

As someone who buys almost no Warhammer Fantasy models and doesn't play WHFB (Excluding Bloodthirster, which can be fielded for 40k, the only models I bought last year were Nagash and Treeman Ancient), Sigmar sounds kind of neat, and I *might* buy it just for kicks and small turn games.

If the games are short, it may turn into something that we play sporadically, as we do with Kill Team and Warmachines -- happens some times if a couple of us are early and we're waiting on people; or we finish early and the night is to late to start another proper game.

Yeah, I was full set to get into WHF and pretty annoyed by these rumours 5 months ago, but actually things like the massive scale of the game were a bit offputting. If smaller games are a possibility, then I'll be more interested. The factions sound pretty intriguing. Lizardmen seem to still be around in some form. It definitely seems better than I feared. Wait and see I guess.

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 monders wrote:
Eh?!

If you're changing the absolute basics of Warhams it isn't Warhams!

Edit - this was a reply to big chief.

I literally have NO idea what you are talking about? haha

That's because I'm being dense, and was in fact replying to Kodos. My apologies

LEEEEEEK ALREADY IM SICK OF NO NEWS!

More on topic, less spam please.

If there is no new news or rumors to report or discuss, then it is OK to not post anything - especially if it is asking for...new news or rumors.

 Bottle wrote:
LEEEEEEK ALREADY IM SICK OF NO NEWS!

Go to your local supermarket's produce department.

The thing you are looking for is a "Leak". Which has yet to happen.

Now back to your regularly schedueled thread...

 Bottle wrote:
LEEEEEEK ALREADY IM SICK OF NO NEWS!

Don't say I don't ever do anything for anyone !

yes the "appeal" of GW is the argument you can walk into any store and it is likely you will find a game. For tournament players i will give you that much, but you also have those people that never leave their local group or store that still complain about the rules and how they want to fix them. When they could at least approach their group about using different rules or just a different game in general. But they are scared to even try they rather go through the same "beaten wife syndrome" routine of "yeah it's bad but it's better than nothing and i already have the models.. i only need to buy a codex/rulebook to stay current".