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 Ahtman wrote:
The truth is marines are popular and many people like them so the idea of trying to get Marine players to switch over isn't a tough one. I suppose if more people played WFB they probably wouldn't have had to restructure it so much to begin with.

The flaw to this logic is... why would you want 40k players to switch to WHFB?

Surely you're looking for NEW gamers, not existing gamers to spend less on 40k and more on WHFB, lol.

 Vulcan wrote:

 Avrik_Shasla wrote:
just because someone is wearing full plate does not make them look automatically like spacemarines.

No, full plate armor does NOT make them look automatically like Space Marines(TM). Boots, gauntlets, and shoulder plates bigger than the helmet makes them automatically look like Space Marines(TM), because that's the whole Space Marine(TM) aesthetic!

Indeed, it doesn't.

Remember these guys from 5E?


Right.

The long lost dogs of war range, ah those where the days, happier times

I wonder if those skulls will be included to plug in to the bases like some of the random bits were for Dark Vengeance, or if they're just extra flair GW slapped on the base.

The only thing I like visually is the cat...that would be the only thing I'd buy/trade for, everything else is *bleck* And I'll stick with 8th.

Well, not very enthused so far.


...also, is it me, or does the not chaplain have a cyclops head?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Remember these guys from 5E?

Spoiler:

Right.

Oh look, dudes in full plate that don't look like Space Marines somehow. They're even painted gold but manage not to look like Sanguinary Guard.

I wonder why it is I can see a picture of these guys and not think they look at all like Space Marines, but my first and immediate reaction to the Sigmarites was "omfg, Space Marines in Fantasy, we've come full circle." Probably because I'm just slowed.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
The truth is marines are popular and many people like them so the idea of trying to get Marine players to switch over isn't a tough one. I suppose if more people played WFB they probably wouldn't have had to restructure it so much to begin with.

The flaw to this logic is... why would you want 40k players to switch to WHFB?

Surely you're looking for NEW gamers, not existing gamers to spend less on 40k and more on WHFB, lol.

Because GW isn't looking for people to switch, or worried about cannibalizing their own sales, they're looking for people to buy this as well as their regular 40k purchases. GW assumes people will buy the new Age of Sigmar box because of the new Sigmarites (which despite everyone's insistence that this is just nonsense actually seems to have worked in this thread, with people that seemingly had no interest in WHF before suddenly looking forward to Age of Sigmar because of the new faction, people with mostly Marine avatars as mentioned before), and that it won't slow their Space Marine purchases at all, because they can't fathom that their customers have limited funds or other priorities.

I'm going to pick up a box, but sell the sigmarite troops and use the fantasy armoured nuns from Raging Heroes last kickstarter.

Armoured troops with hammers, check
Elites armoured troops with hammers, check
Angels, check
Over the top heroes, check.

The chaos Marauders will also be replaced with the fantasy lust elves and the Chaos warriors converted to Slaanesh.

Something tells me that the Sigmarines are going to be dirt cheap on eBay. GW wanted to make a shiny new faction to draw in new players, but they ended up getting out shined by the new Chaos :-p

Oh dear, they really do look like fantasy space marines. I can see wanting to appeal to the 40k crowd, but won't that lead to cannibalizing sales which is what got the 'specialist' games killed off? I don't see this ending well.

 Torga_DW wrote:
Oh dear, they really do look like fantasy space marines. I can see wanting to appeal to the 40k crowd, but won't that lead to cannibalizing sales which is what got the 'specialist' games killed off? I don't see this ending well.

Too true. The 40k modeler in me is mildly interested in some of those parts (wings, helmets, maybe the shoulder pads, etc, etc) but I can absolutely see why fantasy players might feel put off.

When I first saw it, I actually thought "World of Warcraft" much more than space marines.

Concerning rules:

it's really for small battles and not as deep and strategic like LOTR was

As much as I loved LoTR (the setting, miniatures etc.), under no circumstances would I call it 'deep'.

That's therefore quite a worrying statement!

Darnok (from Warseer) - Total rumors: (75 TRUE) / (18 FALSE) / (9 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Quite reliable chap. The last bit of rumors sound like a huge pile of menure rules wise for AOS.
There's also a few comments there that shows GW intentions.

yeah well if someone really wants to use their old armies they can, but we didn't intend the new models and old models to be compatible, we think larger models are the way forward,

and

no way you can use it for existing warhammer armies, so with the scale difference and incompatible rules I don't think there's any point in rebasing your existing collection

The last bit does bring a bit of hope.

This box set is not the full deal though. There will be a "big rulebook" coming shortly afterwards. That one should cover larger battles, I have yet to hear anything definite on it though (unless I missed something ).

Scale is not a problem for my armies ( chaos and O&G) and if they sigmarite everything I have my ways either by converting, getting other companies models or even sculpting my own from scratch so yes I can turn everything around to my own tastes but that leads me to the following question...

Why would I want to participate in a skirmish game that rendered my armies background obsolete, that has little to no depth and that I have to convert a big portion of my models to be compatible? Surely its a LOT easier to just play other games with my models and evolve my own background outside GW bubble.
In short the problem of the WFB exodus is aggravated with AoS for any fan of WFB.

I will wait and see the full rulebook but GW hypothetic intentions do rub me in the wrong way.
Lets say AOS is sounding more like the Age of the WFB fans Purge than anything else.
Exited about the terrain rumor! ( sad that this is literally the only thing that gets me exited )

Yes those Darnok rumours are very worrying.

I was 100% behind a skirmish reboot of WHFB that kept our armies largely intact, but moved to circle bases and streamlined the rules.

I also have a stash of money and gift vouchers set aside just for AoS to jump right in.

But now there's no Rulebook in the boxset and it turns out my existing armies are going to be a bad fit with the new game. :(

Wait there's going to be only a 4 page booklet, the minis obviously. Maybe construction pamphlet?

Dice and rulers and that's it?

For £75... and no mini rulebook. Well good going GW even less likely I'm going to get it.

 Talys wrote:
When I first saw it, I actually thought "World of Warcraft" much more than space marines.

Personally I thought 'Korean MMO', either way I have no interest in the models and the rumoured rules sound distinctly uninteresting. Their 'heroic' proportions are certainly very reminiscent of Space marines though and completely removed from the relative realism that WHFB used to have, at least before the 'skulls on everything' law came into force.

WHFB has been all but dead to me since 8th (I started in 4th) and AOS will almost certainly switch off the life support machine; its highly likely that Warhammer:Total War will be my last ever Warhammer related purchase. Its not as if I need another wargame at the moment anyway.

If the absence of the mini rulebook is correct than no wonder GW wants us to know nothing about what we are buying and what is coming in a near future.

Hell its not even a starter, just a collection of snap fit minis with dices.

We will soon find out... Hold on to you Vouchers Bottle maybe you want to save that for the actual rulebook.

 Bottle wrote:

migooo wrote:
Can't read the names on the pots

My guess is Flesh Wash, Armour Wash and Bleached Bone (for the skulls on the bases).

The circle is complete!

Bleached bone is a fantastic Re addition

Unless it's texture then... how?

As said ill probably pick up winged guys and skullface wizard guy maybe khorne Lord and beastmaster and pet from someone willing to sell them.

I normally pick up a box and split it but I don't think I want them that much, as I want the whole thing to sink faster than the titanic.

migooo wrote:
Wait there's going to be only a 4 page booklet, the minis obviously. Maybe construction pamphlet?

Dice and rulers and that's it?

For £75... and no mini rulebook. Well good going GW even less likely I'm going to get it.

based on the photos I expect some terrain in the form of floating portals and steps too

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

migooo wrote:
Wait there's going to be only a 4 page booklet, the minis obviously. Maybe construction pamphlet?

Dice and rulers and that's it?

For £75... and no mini rulebook. Well good going GW even less likely I'm going to get it.

based on the photos I expect some terrain in the form of floating portals and steps too

I wouldn't count on it honestly. If it does that would make it less awful. But the lack of rules is kinda stupid. Oh I forgot how did Kirby put it Collecting and buyingis the favourite past time of our customers not playing.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Talys wrote:
When I first saw it, I actually thought "World of Warcraft" much more than space marines.

Personally I thought 'Korean MMO',

BLAM!

That's it, I couldn't put my finger on it until now, but you're absolutely right.

NAVARRO wrote:If the absence of the mini rulebook is correct than no wonder GW wants us to know nothing about what we are buying and what is coming in a near future.

Hell its not even a starter, just a collection of snap fit minis with dices.

We will soon find out... Hold on to you Vouchers Bottle maybe you want to save that for the actual rulebook.

Yes! Sad thing is buying rulebooks is by far the worst part of the hobby nowadays :-( especially as Warhammer is likely to fall into a 2 year release cycle too so that 40k and WHFB can be released every alternate summer.

Pacific wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Talys wrote:
When I first saw it, I actually thought "World of Warcraft" much more than space marines.

Personally I thought 'Korean MMO',

BLAM!

That's it, I couldn't put my finger on it until now, but you're absolutely right.

Haha! My wife is Korean and she keeps commenting on how great the new minis look. Maybe that's why? :-p

Oh hey, Warhammer Fantasy 40k, exactly not what I wanted.
I guess history is cyclical.

I'm going to miss proper warhammer fantasy :(

For me a lot of this comes down to the price point of the set and does it include full rules or not. I don't particularly want the miniatures (though painting them could be fun) and if we don't have full rules then how the hell are we supposed to make decisions regarding our existing models and whether we want to continue investing in warhammer?...... So many unanswered questions.

 Pacific wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Talys wrote:
When I first saw it, I actually thought "World of Warcraft" much more than space marines.

Personally I thought 'Korean MMO',

BLAM!

That's it, I couldn't put my finger on it until now, but you're absolutely right.

Yes. This.

Not even Korean MMO...

Just...MMO-esque. Which is great if you want something to stand out and catch attention to be new, shiny, with a low lifespan and probably a spiralling history of neglect before a quiet death in a corner....

But not really great for a game that has 20 odd years of history which has developed a very specific aesthetic quality....seriously, you can put Empire models from 18 years ago in with current Empire armies...and they fit. You can put 30 year old Orcs in with modern Orcs...and they fit to some extent.

Have fun fitting one of those Warmachine MMO-esque winged not-Marines alongside a 'current' Empire army.

I think this thread is a great example of how GW's terrible information policy creates a negative feeling in the community. Instead of buzz we have people worried about the implications of this leak, others arguing that they should not worry, and then arguments stemming from that. Instead of hearing about what people are planning to do with the new models and their ideas about the new rules, all we are hearing is people worried about what they might be. So we are shut off from the best part of the community- other hobbyists ideas and creativity. Instead we have a fairly acrimonious discussion.

A real shame. I hope WFB stays around as a source of decent hard plastic kits at the very least, so I am not cheerleading for AoS to fall flat. At the same time, it's not my cup of tea.

 Pacific wrote:

Concerning rules:

it's really for small battles and not as deep and strategic like LOTR was

As much as I loved LoTR (the setting, miniatures etc.), under no circumstances would I call it 'deep'.

That's therefore quite a worrying statement!

Indeed. I'm picturing some of their earlier introductory rules for Warhammer. "Take two guys and place them 6" from each other. Now roll dice until one is dead."

I plan to pick some up and either use them as paladins for my GK army or start a BA army if they ever get a non-snap fit release. I don't p!an to buy AoS.

Is the rumour still the set costing about $200 AU? Guess its a good thing I havent spent anything on models these past 2 months. Cant wait to binge on it

So if the Sigmarites were the size of mortal humans then people would stop calling them space marines? Reduce the size and they are just knights in gold armour, these guys are Sigmar's home boys, people would be calling them too weak looking to be god soldiers if they were puny.