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Nvs wrote:
I'm def in favor of the general rules being available for free online. Hopefully 40k does the same thing.

If they could find a way to get all of the generic rules online for free (even if this means stripping all lore and backrgound information from them) and redesign their army boxes into self contained individual starter sets with self contained rules in the $50-75 range so new players had a reasonable way to enter the hobby it could be bright future to look forward to.

Especially if they introduce some kind of 'beta forum' so players can provide feedback on experimental rules.

Hey now, lets not get crazy!

 streamdragon wrote:
I just want to know how my skaven are going to fare. I'm kind of hoping this isn't a "we'll have backwards compatibility, but they won't get anything new" situation. I have plenty of models to assemble on round bases if its worthwhile, but meh. Tempted to shave down my square bases into octagons. Close enough to a circular base, but still able to rank up if I want to.

Those feels. I usually run 100+ stormvermin in various forms, are those still going to be a thing? I'm not opposed to rebasing everbody, but I am extremely curious what horde armies do in this brave new world of easy buy in ... I can't think of an army in 40k that really uses big mobs of things to do something useful, apart from conga-lining to grab multiple objectives, and even then those mobs work because they've got LD modifiers to keep them around as they get butchered (IG blobs, Ork mobs, Nid swarms). Mostly they get butchered and are slow.

Mostly I'm curious about magic. Will magic be in the 4 pages, or will it be covered on a by-unit basis. I feel like it almost certainly has to be the second option.

A bullet from that long, largely invalidated German rumor came to mind:

– magic spells are all one-use only, when you use it, you have to discard the card

He had also claimed most spells affected units of X type, which would indeed give a bonus to playing 'in faction' and not totally unbound. But who knows.

- Salvage

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Imagine if a box of troops, a box of elites and a monster or warmachine is plenty to play a normal sized game... doesn't that make you want to collect all the factions?

But then... slowly... the game size creeps up...

Pretty much this. And if they could find a way to get a leader, a box of troops, and a machine/monster in a box for $50-75 they'll be able to attract new players with a moderately acceptable buy-in cost.

Maybe a veterans style rulebook is on the way. Basic rules for the kids, advanced stuff for people who want it more tactical.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
If the rules come with each unit, then that has to be the end of army books and all the fluff that went with them

Don't be silly. At some point, GW will compile everything into beautiful full-color hardback reference books for armies. They will be army books like we've all known, and GW will charge a pretty penny for them.

 namiel wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
Some interesting stuff there Mikhaila.

Did they happen to say what the war scrolls actuly are?
Cards or a full page sorta thing ?

Sounds like they are at least looking to try some new stuff.
But interest here has been whole negative so I don't think I will be getting anything unless the rules are great.

no such internet forum is ever positive. Don't let the naysayers here dissuade you from enjoying a game

Being positive is hard when GW own marketing go against trying to get it going here. Wasn't internet that's the issue, but people where I am playing are completely out of the GW cercle now. And the sgimarites have been met with indifference at best, KHORNE is actuly getting negative responses as it isn't very popular here.

I welcome positive news, but GW needs to get its marketing in shape if it realy wants this new game to take off I feel :0
It hurts my little soul to see GW drag itself along so often.

Nvs wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Imagine if a box of troops, a box of elites and a monster or warmachine is plenty to play a normal sized game... doesn't that make you want to collect all the factions?

But then... slowly... the game size creeps up...

Pretty much this. And if they could find a way to get a leader, a box of troops, and a machine/monster in a box for $50-75 they'll be able to attract new players with a moderately acceptable buy-in cost.

Also the Spanish rumour said that you can mix factions as you want which means a totally new way of collecting armies.

RoninXiC wrote:
yeah.. no one wants DINA4 rules of models. Tiny little cards is all we want/need.

Hold on there. Nobody likes tiny cards with tiny type.

Try A5 (5x8) or A6 (4x6) and we'll be OK.

If GW is trying to cram everything onto a single playing card, that's just too small.

 Grimtuff wrote:

ShaneTB wrote:
GW stores will be demoing the game on Saturday.

Love to know how they're planning on doing this across the pond. Aren't all the shops closed on that particular day?

That might have been true back in the 1970s. Nowadays most retail shops close on Thanksgiving and Christmas... and even large retailers are chipping away at those two.

I think if GW have learned anything from the past few years it is that the CAD systems means that they can sell more miniatures.

I love the idea of a combined human/Dwarf/Elf (should the rules allow) AOS army.

I imagine "War Scrolls" are A4, just like 40k datasheets.

 Boss Salvage wrote:
Those feels. I usually run 100+ stormvermin in various forms, are those still going to be a thing? I'm not opposed to rebasing everbody, but I am extremely curious what horde armies do in this brave new world of easy buy in ... I can't think of an army in 40k that really uses big mobs of things to do something useful, apart from conga-lining to grab multiple objectives, and even then those mobs work because they've got LD modifiers to keep them around as they get butchered (IG blobs, Ork mobs, Nid swarms). Mostly they get butchered and are slow.
A bullet from that long, largely invalidated German rumor came to mind:

– magic spells are all one-use only, when you use it, you have to discard the card

He had also claimed most spells affected units of X type, which would indeed give a bonus to playing 'in faction' and not totally unbound. But who knows.

- Salvage

So long slave mobs, I barely knew ye. Good bye Stormvermin, so long and thanks for all the stabbing death.

OTOH, it looks like we're moving to a character driven game engine.


Because skaven characters are totes on par with other armies' characters!

Oh, is it time for the "we don't know any rules, but I'm sure my faction is screwed" phase yet?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh, is it time for the "we don't know any rules, but I'm sure my faction is screwed" phase yet?

That was like a 100 pages ago

It's still in the "they ruined the game - why bother playing" phase.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
If the rules come with each unit, then that has to be the end of army books and all the fluff that went with them

Don't be silly. At some point, GW will compile everything into beautiful full-color hardback reference books for armies. They will be army books like we've all known, and GW will charge a pretty penny for them.

That maybe, but will they be available in Australia?

The main thing I dislike is the move towards snap fit models, being bit of conversionist I miss the bits!

Thing is, though, if this turns out to be a mix and match of whatever units you want in your force, regardless of faction, then...

Why bother with factions at all?

Well all the old models still work just fine. Besides, it could be like dark vengeance, where it was just the starter set with snap tight models.

So... it sounds like GW has moved the entire design team to developing 40k.

Since GW identifies themselves as a collectors figurine company first and foremost, it appears they have done just that with Warhammer.

Expensive collectible figures with minimal rules as an afterthought.

 SJM wrote:
The main thing I dislike is the move towards snap fit models, being bit of conversionist I miss the bits!

All the Base box models have been snapfit since 40k 4th Ed, the 2 last Battle base box have also been snapfit.

Doesn't really seem reasonable to dismiss rules nobody's read yet as a "minimal afterthought".

 Bull0 wrote:
Doesn't really seem reasonable to dismiss rules nobody's read yet as a "minimal afterthought".

Here's hoping, but it reeks of "hey we don't care how you actually play just buy these minis"

It fits entirely in line with GW's investor statements. Collectible figures first and foremost, rules a distant concern.

 judgedoug wrote:
So... it sounds like GW has moved the entire design team to developing 40k.

Since GW identifies themselves as a collectors figurine company first and foremost, it appears they have done just that with Warhammer.

Expensive collectible figures with minimal rules as an afterthought.

Well raging heroes does that and the figures are nicer in my opinion. Okay no rules yet but still.

lord_blackfang wrote:Oh, is it time for the "we don't know any rules, but I'm sure my faction is screwed" phase yet?

Sorry, meant more as general apprehension because I currently don't know any rules. The game was described as hero led warbands (or something to that effect), which thematically/historically hasn't really been a skaven strong point.

I don't like having to wait!


Edit: and the slave/stormvermin thing is me not wanting to deal with 50+ model units individually anymore. I do enough of that in 40k with Orks, IG AND Tyranids. I got by in fantasy because of movement trays.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Thing is, though, if this turns out to be a mix and match of whatever units you want in your force, regardless of faction, then...

Why bother with factions at all?

You don't get to choose who got stuck in the bubbles kind of fluff?

Seriously though... Just because you have the options to do something it does not mean that you have to do it. My O&G will remain O&G because its something I prefer.
Actually thinking about it if you find an opponent with an army formation that you do not find acceptable it will be more fun to beat the crap out of him with your "pure" army.

 SJM wrote:
The main thing I dislike is the move towards snap fit models, being bit of conversionist I miss the bits!

It's a starter box. They've always been snap fit.

There's allegedly 4 months of AoS releases coming. I am sure you'll there'll be plenty of Tactical/Devastastor/Assault/Elite/Elite-Assault Sigmarine boxes with 27 weapon options and 43 different golden heads, but only 5 pairs of legs and 5 torsos.

streamdragon wrote:So long slave mobs, I barely knew ye. Good bye Stormvermin, so long and thanks for all the stabbing death.

OTOH, it looks like we're moving to a character driven game engine.

Because skaven characters are totes on par with other armies' characters!

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Thing is, though, if this turns out to be a mix and match of whatever units you want in your force, regardless of faction, then...

Why bother with factions at all?

I have a feeling that the Grey Seer and Verminlord will still make regular appearances in ratty lists, though the real winner may well be the Warlock Engineer With Obligatory Doomrocket cropping up in whatever army wants some firepower. Likewise the WLC, Stormfriends, and merhaps even the long neglected weapon teams? Warp-punk guns for everybody disordery / destructiony / chaoticy! (I lost track which pseudo-faction people think Skaven are going to fall into )

- Salvage

 judgedoug wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Doesn't really seem reasonable to dismiss rules nobody's read yet as a "minimal afterthought".

Here's hoping, but it reeks of "hey we don't care how you actually play just buy these minis"

It fits entirely in line with GW's investor statements. Collectible figures first and foremost, rules a distant concern.

To be honest, I read it as there are simple base rules to pick up, then perhaps each new unit comes with additional rules to expand them. Off course this is just my interpretation and could be total rubbish.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Seriously though... Just because you have the options to do something it does not mean that you have to do it. My O&G will remain O&G because its something I prefer.
Actually thinking about it if you find an opponent with an army formation that you do not find acceptable it will be more fun to beat the crap out of him with your "pure" army.

Amen Navvy. Though I left 40k because people around me universally stopped being interested in Playing Cool Things, instead of Obviously Good Things

- Salvage