Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
2015/07/04 16:40:37
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
It seems like there's a divide between those people feel it's been dumbed down and those who like that it's simplified.
To those of you who like that it's been simplified, were you already playing WFB? How long had you been playing it? If you had been playing it, why were you playing something you found too complex?
I fall into the, "it's been dumbed down" category and I can't fathom why anyone who liked the previous game would continue to play it, except maybe for social reasons or to continue to get value out of your models. The things I liked about warhammer are gone. I liked the complexity.
I think that we've all known for a while that GW doesn't focus its actions on the interests of its "veteran" players. AoS is the ultimate expression of that. It shows the willingness to make a total sea change on their game at the risk of jeopardizing their existing players. As H.B.M.C. says, this game is clearly aimed at children, with its "jump around waving your arms" rules and its simplification.
Eons ago, when I once played games at GW stores, there were always those young teens who would come in to play games with lists that generally featured one mega over-the-top gimmick unit (I'm looking at you Slann with heart of woe). These kids would frequently attempt to mislead or bend the rules to meet their ends, because it was just silly, ridiculous fun for them. AoS looks like it will appeal HUGELY to that younger crowd. No points costs or composition restrictions to prevent them from fielding ridiculous forces (5 dragons bought on single dad's income), rules are incredibly simple and don't complicate, and open list construction, so they can engage in piranha-like feeding frenzies over whatever new flavour of the month models are coming out and still field an "army."
Anyways. The writing is in giant bold letters now, to veterans, Games Workshop does not care about you or what you want. If you resent their actions and you continue to buy after such a blatant statement of their values, you are the fool, not GW.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/07/04 16:44:21
2015/07/04 16:46:17
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Let a billion souls burn in death than for one soul to bend knee to a false Emperor.....
"I am the punishment of God, had you not committed great sin, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you"
2015/07/04 16:52:06
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
To build an army we are just going to set wound limits - for example we are playing a 50 wound game. Seems to work pretty well so far.
I'll take 50 wounds of chaos chosen and you can bring 50 wounds of skaven slaves.
Now imitate 'scratching' a record whilst playing 'rat rapping' by Roland Rat on your iphone to give your slaves +1 move and I'll rub my thighs and leer at people passing the flgs window for the boon of slaanesh on my chosen.
Actually, if I only take 15 wounds of chaos chosen and manage to keep one model alive for 6 turns whilst simultaneously slapping my johnson in a labrador's face without getting it bitten off, I autowin!
This is great news.
I literally cannot imagine more fun. Play us out roland the greyseer! Everyone enjoy your movement boon!
2015/07/04 16:55:41
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
By looking through the last 200 pages i think they did peg their customers perfectly.
If i ran home and said
I went to walmart and bought this 60$ pool now they do not sell the pump they did when i bought the pool 5 years ago. Ovbiuosly the walmart man is giving me the middle finger. Peopel would recomend mental health.
Relax take a breath and move on no one will notice sorry to say. Thats the problem with internet everyone thinks they matter cause they can make a post.
I need to go to work every day.
Millions of people on welfare depend on me.
2015/07/04 16:56:08
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
People are wondering why some of us are bitter, let me tell you why we're bitter.
GW is a company, and companies want to make money. Fair enough I respect that.
I've been in the hobby 25+ years, but I'm not expecting GW to give me a free pass just because I bought some skeletons 15 years ago.
All I wanted was some respect.
Ok, GW, you want to sell your new stuff, fair enough, and you want to phase out the old stuff. Fair enough.
But you could have let us use our old stuff in the new game without resorting to stupid rules and conditions. You could have done a ravening hordes.
I probably would have bought the odd unit, some of those paints, maybe some of that new terrain. You would have made money from me...but now I won't give you a single penny, because you're treating me like an idiot.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2015/07/04 16:56:55
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
I think it's because we were all going to the NZ site for the PDFs.
BlaxicanX wrote: A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
2015/07/04 17:00:27
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
I can't believe how po-faced people are being about the silly rules! Just ignore them! Everybody will after the first game or two anyway when the novelty wears off. Just a bit of fun and a gimmick for new players to talk about. (that said, Wulfrik's "insult your opponent" rule needs to be changed for sure)
Lack of balance? Serious problem. Silly gimmicks? Get over yourself!
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Eldarain wrote: I think it's because we were all going to the NZ site for the PDFs.
Yeah, if you follow someone else's link from dakka it'll change your country to theirs.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/07/04 17:01:06
Dead account, no takesy-backsies
2015/07/04 17:01:16
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Really unsure about this.
Basic rules are simple enough to learn and will be good if I want to play a different game in a short amount of time. Balance can be worked out between me and whoever I play.
I am disappointed in the magic, it isn't as amazing as before. I loved having so many magic lores.
Also the wounds are ridiculous.... 12 wounds for a hellpit abomination? Well good thing I have two...geuss I'm fielding Thanqoul and bone ripper, 2 hellpit abominations, 3 warp lightning cannons, 2 doomwheels, 60 stormvermin and maybe some weapon teams for fun
2015/07/04 17:01:18
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
OgreChubbs wrote: By looking through the last 200 pages i think they did peg their customers perfectly.
If i ran home and said
I went to walmart and bought this 60$ pool now they do not sell the pump they did when i bought the pool 5 years ago. Ovbiuosly the walmart man is giving me the middle finger. Peopel would recomend mental health.
Relax take a breath and move on no one will notice sorry to say. Thats the problem with internet everyone thinks they matter cause they can make a post.
There's a difference between a pump you can't get anymore and a Warhammer army though isn't there. You didn't pour hours and hours of time building and painting an army of pumps, and a $60 pump is a lot less money than you invest in a Warhammer army. People are allowed to voice their dissatisfaction with the new version of a game they've spent hundreds and hundreds of pounds and a lot of time and effort on, in a thread with the express purpose of talking about said game. Get off your high horse. Your opinion matters as little as everyone else's.
2015/07/04 17:03:02
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Bull0 wrote: I can't believe how po-faced people are being about the silly rules! Just ignore them! Everybody will after the first game or two anyway when the novelty wears off. Just a bit of fun and a gimmick for new players to talk about. (that said, Wulfrik's "insult your opponent" rule needs to be changed for sure)
Lack of balance? Serious problem. Silly gimmicks? Get over yourself!
You say that, but it is probably the development that put me off most, just because it either shows the impression GW have of their playerbase, or shows that they're marketing their game for a very young audience. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just isn't what I'm after. I get it's not a big deal for you but clearly it is for some people.
2015/07/04 17:08:28
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Bull0 wrote: I can't believe how po-faced people are being about the silly rules! Just ignore them! Everybody will after the first game or two anyway when the novelty wears off. Just a bit of fun and a gimmick for new players to talk about. (that said, Wulfrik's "insult your opponent" rule needs to be changed for sure)
Lack of balance? Serious problem. Silly gimmicks? Get over yourself!
You say that, but it is probably the development that put me off most, just because it either shows the impression GW have of their playerbase, or shows that they're marketing their game for a very young audience. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just isn't what I'm after. I get it's not a big deal for you but clearly it is for some people.
In my opinion that just comes down to how comfortable you are/aren't in your own skin. CS Lewis said it best, if somewhat paradoxically, when he said "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
Not wanting to sound like a dick or anything.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/07/04 17:10:12
Dead account, no takesy-backsies
2015/07/04 17:09:08
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
2015/07/04 17:10:25
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Bull0 wrote: I can't believe how po-faced people are being about the silly rules! Just ignore them! Everybody will after the first game or two anyway when the novelty wears off. Just a bit of fun and a gimmick for new players to talk about. (that said, Wulfrik's "insult your opponent" rule needs to be changed for sure)
Lack of balance? Serious problem. Silly gimmicks? Get over yourself!
You say that, but it is probably the development that put me off most, just because it either shows the impression GW have of their playerbase, or shows that they're marketing their game for a very young audience. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just isn't what I'm after. I get it's not a big deal for you but clearly it is for some people.
In my opinion that just comes down to how comfortable you are/aren't in your own skin. CS Lewis said it best, if somewhat paradoxically, when he said "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
I don't mind being childish, I just don't like making an idiot of myself in public. Those rules are a nightmare for someone with social anxiety which I haven't long since finished therapy for. They're just embarrassing. Not fun in the slightest in my opinion. Might be different if I had a close gaming group I was good friends with.
2015/07/04 17:11:45
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
It's time to start watching what falls off the web store never to return. My guess is, every old model will eventually go away, probably over about the next 18 months.
2015/07/04 17:12:03
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
scarletsquig wrote: A lot of the new rules requiring physical actions discriminate against disabled players of the game.
And women can't usually grow mustaches, meaning they're at a disadvantage in a kurt helborg-off. Sound the alarm. Or maybe just apply the tiniest measurable amount of common sense. (Unthinkable, I know).
Dead account, no takesy-backsies
2015/07/04 17:14:27
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
While broadly agreeing, I have no trouble seeing slightly over enthusiastic managers enforcing these RAW.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Bull0 wrote: I can't believe how po-faced people are being about the silly rules! Just ignore them! Everybody will after the first game or two anyway when the novelty wears off. Just a bit of fun and a gimmick for new players to talk about. (that said, Wulfrik's "insult your opponent" rule needs to be changed for sure)
Lack of balance? Serious problem. Silly gimmicks? Get over yourself!
You say that, but it is probably the development that put me off most, just because it either shows the impression GW have of their playerbase, or shows that they're marketing their game for a very young audience. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just isn't what I'm after. I get it's not a big deal for you but clearly it is for some people.
In my opinion that just comes down to how comfortable you are/aren't in your own skin. CS Lewis said it best, if somewhat paradoxically, when he said "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
I don't mind being childish, I just don't like making an idiot of myself in public. Those rules are a nightmare for someone with social anxiety which I haven't long since finished therapy for. They're just embarrassing. Not fun in the slightest in my opinion. Might be different if I had a close gaming group I was good friends with.
I get that, but that's pretty personal to you or other people who have anxiety (guilty! But I only really play at home with my friends). I'm seeing people deride the rules as stupid or a massive insult or whatever and I'm just not getting it. They're actually pretty smart what with the anecdotal nature of them and besides, none of the new models have them, I highly doubt any future releases will have them, etc. We've got Do_I_Not_Like_That up there talking about how the silly rules are a massive show of disrespect to him and his family and it's like... come on now.
Dead account, no takesy-backsies
2015/07/04 17:15:37
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Azreal13 wrote: While broadly agreeing, I have no trouble seeing slightly over enthusiastic managers enforcing these RAW.
Dey gon' have some problems. But then again, I can think of some things that would be difficult for disabled players in the old rules (TLOS? Enjoy stooping over the battlefield, people with mobility problems. No pre-measuring? Hard luck, partially sighted. Admittedly they fixed that one)
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/07/04 17:17:05
Dead account, no takesy-backsies
2015/07/04 17:17:20
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Bull0 wrote: I can't believe how po-faced people are being about the silly rules! Just ignore them! Everybody will after the first game or two anyway when the novelty wears off. Just a bit of fun and a gimmick for new players to talk about. (that said, Wulfrik's "insult your opponent" rule needs to be changed for sure)
Lack of balance? Serious problem. Silly gimmicks? Get over yourself!
You say that, but it is probably the development that put me off most, just because it either shows the impression GW have of their playerbase, or shows that they're marketing their game for a very young audience. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just isn't what I'm after. I get it's not a big deal for you but clearly it is for some people.
In my opinion that just comes down to how comfortable you are/aren't in your own skin. CS Lewis said it best, if somewhat paradoxically, when he said "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
I don't mind being childish, I just don't like making an idiot of myself in public. Those rules are a nightmare for someone with social anxiety which I haven't long since finished therapy for. They're just embarrassing. Not fun in the slightest in my opinion. Might be different if I had a close gaming group I was good friends with.
I get that, but that's pretty personal to you or other people who have anxiety (guilty! But I only really play at home with my friends). I'm seeing people deride the rules as stupid or a massive insult or whatever and I'm just not getting it. They're actually pretty smart what with the anecdotal nature of them and besides, none of the new models have them, I highly doubt any future releases will have them, etc. We've got Do_I_Not_Like_That up there talking about how the silly rules are a massive show of disrespect to him and his family and it's like... come on now.
Yeah fair point, it is a very personal reason that I don't like them. I don't have an issue with other people liking them, if anything I'm envious of people with the confidence to enjoy them!
Let a billion souls burn in death than for one soul to bend knee to a false Emperor.....
