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Can we just take the mithering and whatnot elsewhere please? Like Dakka Discussions? This isn't really my idea of a N&R thread..

Removed by insaniak. Even as an obvious joke, this sort of thing just isn't appropriate.

 mikhaila wrote:

 Nightwolf829 wrote:
The game is broken out of the gate. Several instant win combos have already been found. Just take a single Tomb King Carrion, choose the sudden death that lets you win if you survive six turns, and simply fly around the field immune to enemy attentions.

That sounds like fun!

You know what else sounds like fun? Showing up for a pickup game with a handful of units as a new player and getting beaten in the face by crazy summoning spells and special characters/combos galore. You have 50 skaven slaves? Cool! I have 52 Blood Knights that are by this game considered their equal.

The rules have promise, but I am disappointed in the execution. It is a half-cocked product that makes pickup games impossible and that needs to be fixed by the player-base out of the gate. I was really excited about it for a while, but that enthusiasm has been killed in the hardest way possible. GW even put some rules into the game that actively mock their player-base. Really? I have no idea what they were even aiming for at this point. Any other new game that tried this would be laughed out of the market. This deserves no better.

Broken for competitive play maybe. Most of these "instant win" combos just involve saying. "Right, have an awesome day" and finding another person to play games with. The game can probably be fixed. Just takes a bit of work. I'm running a tournament Sunday. Interested to see how people break it.

I thought the rules read that if you out number the enemy they choose the victory condition. So could just pick something else to kill or survive etc.

Hey, my idea of a nice game is to bring all the units I love. Did I mention I love my 10 Dragons?

guru wrote:
WTF

At £17 a can for the gold spray, I wouldn't expect a dividend on shares this year, they just blew the profits.

The more I see sigmarines, the dumber they look.

Sounds like a solid plan by having an influx of new Fantasy players after playing Warhammer: Total War. Kinda like how Dawn of War introduced a lot of videogamers to tabletop wargaming. For sure, a lot of these new players will be looking for a fantasy mass battle wargame filled with characters and units and places they recognize from the videogame.

Oh wait.

All right, Imma throw this out to the crowd. I'm thinking that AoS seems pretty ridiculous. Particularly the bit about there being no consideration of points.

And bear with me on this analogy - I'm in no way implying that GW has a fraction of the innovative spark that Apple has - but in a weird way, this reminds me of Apple releasing the iMac.

I don't know if anyone else remembers when Apple first came out with the colored, bulbous iMacs. It was a complete redesign of the Mac from their old off-white boxes. But one of the most curious omissions (at least at the time) with the iMac was the lack of a disk drive. It had a CD drive and you could connect it to the internet. And sure, that's the standard now. But remember back to those dark old days when we still used floppies. It was a radical thought to mass-produce a computer with no floppy drive. But Apple did. And they went with it.

And now we use any floppies that we might dig out of dusty boxes as drink coasters.

I'm not saying GW or AoS have ANY of the brilliance of Apple and that first iMac. I'm just putting this out here to point out that none of us can see the future yet. We don't know how the paradigm will change.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Can we just take the mithering and whatnot elsewhere please? Like Dakka Discussions? This isn't really my idea of a N&R thread..

So your idea of a N&R thread is an echo chamber?

Kay.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
The more I see sigmarines, the dumber they look.

And yet you keep posting about them, so you must be looking a lot.

I think you just can't admit how much you like them. Don't worry, you can come out now, it's ok to paint them. Just wash up afterwards and don't let anyone know

 Mort wrote:

 pinkmarine wrote:
Interesting to see that many of those who have actually tried the game seem to like it, or are at least positively surprised. Maybe a company with 20+ years of experience in the field are not totally lost? Maybe it has been quite extensively tested? And while I'm not totally sold on the fluff at least they're trying to do something new to a very conservative genre.

I'm not trying to take sides here. Watching somewhat from the sidelines I find the development interesting.

But I must admit I have a strong temptation to sell off my 40k models, codices and rules and give this a shot...

Make no mistake, GW is taking a big gamble here, and I am pretty convinced they realize this. For the first time since... well... forever, they've -really- detached themselves from their usual modus operandi. if it works - great for them! If it fails... I imagine we'll see the growth of the tail-spin they seem to have been in the past few years.

So far, AoS seems like it has potential, but it's like they put in things to deliberately sabotage it. No army building rules? Ugh. Out-of-control summoning rules? Ugh.

I'm been saying for a while that GW are no longer able to create games. This is likely because there's been a drain of skills to other companies that don't seem so full of BS, but also because the corporate side are only interested in turning stuff out rather than offering quality or innovation. Games Workshop can't make games - they rehash 40k over and over (not had a radical change since 3rd edition) and fantasy has gone down hill until it's scrapped and this mess was produced in its place where balance just doesn't exist. The only other games they've made in recent years are the hopeless Dreadfleet and Space Hulk, the best thing released is a rerelease of a game designed in much better times. To think when I was young you'd go to GW and there would be games all around the walls and models up to the ceiling. Now they have barely any variety in games offered and most models are only available online anyway.

GW's share prices have dropped. Again. Hmmmm... coincidence?

guru wrote:

Nein! Der Reichstag ist nicht mehr!

Nocturnus wrote:
GW's share prices have dropped. Again. Hmmmm... coincidence?

Yes. There is bigger news today which has caused all the stock markets worldwide to drop.

That poor, poor intern.


Spend the summer working at GW HQ, it'll be fun he thought.




Or is this, perhaps, what happens to those people who spray themselves silver and stand very still on high streets ?

They evolve, a bit like Pokemon ?

GW's share prices have dropped. Again. Hmmmm... coincidence?

Think the whole Greece thing is going to have much impact than AoS.

 reds8n wrote:
That poor, poor intern.


Spend the summer working at GW HQ, it'll be fun he thought.




Or is this, perhaps, what happens to those people who spray themselves silver and stand very still on high streets ?

They evolve, a bit like Pokemon ?

GW's share prices have dropped. Again. Hmmmm... coincidence?

Think the whole Greece thing is going to have much impact than AoS.

NO! GW caused the world stock market to crash. All because of The Age Of Suckmore!

Herzlos wrote:

 pinkmarine wrote:
As I suggested several pages ago (and rumors & leaks point in that direction), scenarios will provide balance for new players. Someone above passed on a rumor that we'll see a campaign supplement with a balancing system. That'll probably be directed towards experienced and more competitive players. Of course they'll not provide this for all the old models. The point of their business is to sell new models, they don't make money from armies already bought.

I can only see that as a way for them to spoon feed you army lists to buy. Each scenario starting with a "You need to use the following models...", kind of like historics orders of battle but with even less flexibility.

I like casual gaming, but I don't want that level of spoon feeding or cynical selling.

Agreed, I don't like it either, but I think that's the logic they're going by. At least initially.

Just shows they are going head first into this pile of rubbish. No wonder things are so costly it's to pay for retouching that thing constantly.

 mikhaila wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
The more I see sigmarines, the dumber they look.

And yet you keep posting about them, so you must be looking a lot.

I think you just can't admit how much you like them. Don't worry, you can come out now, it's ok to paint them. Just wash up afterwards and don't let anyone know

I don't look at all. I read this thread though and it's hard to miss a pic of a statue.

I'd love to admit how much I like them but sadly they look dumb and I don't like them

Wot no Space Marine conversions online yet? C'mon, I wanna see how others solve the 'make them hold a bolter' issue before I have to do it!

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Wot no Space Marine conversions online yet? C'mon, I wanna see how others solve the 'make them hold a bolter' issue before I have to do it!

I've seen at least 2 a GK terminator and a BA captain.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Wot no Space Marine conversions online yet? C'mon, I wanna see how others solve the 'make them hold a bolter' issue before I have to do it!

Someone on Bolter and Chainsword made a Custode from their WD one, actually looks pretty kick ass. I won't bring photos over without there permission but I can link to the thread right?
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/310664-age-of-sigmar-stormcast-eternal-adeptus-custodes/

Is niiiice. I found a couple in our own forums too with a search. Oooo-eeee those minis are huge!

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Wot no Space Marine conversions online yet? C'mon, I wanna see how others solve the 'make them hold a bolter' issue before I have to do it!

conversion, with plasma gun & power sword

from Paint Hammer

It's a nice conversion but the scale creep is too jarring for my sensibilities.

They look better in 40k lol. Still not good though imo.

guru wrote:

Aww yiss. Hello truescale Iron Snakes! The classical armour and the scale loincloth fit perfectly, just the helmet needs replacing.

Would look even better with a proper SM helmet

guru wrote:

Awesome. So far, Sigmarines have been a symbol of fail to me, I love that GW is so committed as to adorn their HQ with it.

"This is the new GW success story - let's celebrate in advance!" Please tell me they didn't replace the Space Marine..

One thing that's cool: they probably used the existing CAD files for making this thing. I'm guessing they just split the sprues in two through the centerline, so each bit is split in the middle, and it's simply made out of carved blocks of hard plastic foam (wood-like carving plastic) with a large 3-axis CNC wood mill that's available in pretty much any industrial wood shop. Few hours of machine time, then assemble, paint, done - and the whole thing probably only cost them a few grand.

migooo wrote:

Spoiler:

guru wrote:
WTF

Just shows they are going head first into this pile of rubbish. No wonder things are so costly it's to pay for retouching that thing constantly.

In fairness, that hammer and wings insignia does look pretty spectacular


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 prowla wrote:

guru wrote:

Awesome. So far, Sigmarines have been a symbol of fail to me, I love that GW is so committed as to adorn their HQ with it.

Please tell me they didn't replace the Space Marine..

They've moved him elsewhere.