Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**ImAGeek**

notprop wrote:
I think that it is usually the other way but by all means feel free to give an example?

What do you mean? Any PP unit that used to be metal that they now make in plastic is cheaper than the metal was, significantly. I mean you could argue that the material isn't as good... But then look at GW and finecast, a cheaper, inferior material, and they jacked the prices up for anything converted from metal to finecast.

**filbert**

Do we really need to turn this thread into yet another PP vs GW nonsense? It's almost as tedious and ultimately as pointless as the Sega vs Nintendo arguments years ago.

**lord_blackfang**

Kirasu wrote:
Smaller model count games usually also have nuanced rules to make sure those few models create complex game-interactions. (malifaux)

AoS has a small model count.. but the rules are so simple (and usually don't function correctly) and without nuance I can't see any difference between AoS with 10 models and AoS with 200 models. Move forward, roll dice, deal with random charts. Maybe win, maybe lose!

AoS with 10 generic infantry is as nuanced as Warmachine with 10 generic infantry. AoS with 10 heroes is as nuanced as Warmachine with 10 solos.

I do love how "Other games are justified in charging more per model because you need fewer models" has now mutated into "Other games are justified in charging more per model because they have better rules"

**DarkStarSabre**

Oh lord almighty. The prices. The prices.

I know fear.

**lord_blackfang**

ImAGeek wrote:
notprop wrote:
I think that it is usually the other way but by all means feel free to give an example?

What do you mean? Any PP unit that used to be metal that they now make in plastic is cheaper than the metal was, significantly. I mean you could argue that the material isn't as good... But then look at GW and finecast, a cheaper, inferior material, and they jacked the prices up for anything converted from metal to finecast.

GW also reduced prices of anything converted into plastic except the character clampacks and barely ever gets credit for it. GW kits containing oodles of extra bits was also never seen as a legit reason for higher prices by PP fans, but they were happy to use it as an excuse for PP raising prices when they switched to plastic at least in some cases (Cryx bonejacks!)

**Shadowclaimer**

Lady Atia on Twitter has been posting White Dwarf pics all day.

I threw them up on my blog for those interested.

https://clankhorvaak.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/aos-white-dwarf-leaks/

Includes all the variants of the Liberators, the Celestant, and a ton of assorted pictures of them "in action".

**Paradigm**

Shadowclaimer wrote:
Lady Atia on Twitter has been posting White Dwarf pics all day.

I threw them up on my blog for those interested.

https://clankhorvaak.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/aos-white-dwarf-leaks/

Includes all the variants of the Liberators, the Celestant, and a ton of assorted pictures of them "in action".

Pics

Spoiler:

Looks to be 5 Liberators to a box, with sword or hammer options (2-handers of each for the champions). Am I the only one who thinks the starter kit ones actually look far better in terms of posing ect?

**Hanskrampf**

Thanks for the link, Shadowclaimer.

Lol @ the Combat Gauge for 25€
No, thanks, I stick to my measuring tape for max. 4€

And the dice towers are made out of resin? I wonder what happens if one drops to the floor.

**guru**

Shadowclaimer wrote:
Lady Atia on Twitter has been posting White Dwarf pics all day.

I threw them up on my blog for those interested.

https://clankhorvaak.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/aos-white-dwarf-leaks/

Includes all the variants of the Liberators, the Celestant, and a ton of assorted pictures of them "in action".

are on the previous page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/8430/643158.page#7966286

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

filbert wrote:
Do we really need to turn this thread into yet another PP vs GW nonsense? It's almost as tedious and ultimately as pointless as the Sega vs Nintendo arguments years ago.

Yeah, but Nintendo won out in the end. Maybe they weren't that pointless?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Combat gauge? Looks like a key ring

**guru**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
filbert wrote:
Do we really need to turn this thread into yet another PP vs GW nonsense? It's almost as tedious and ultimately as pointless as the Sega vs Nintendo arguments years ago.

Yeah, but Nintendo won out in the end. Maybe they weren't that pointless?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Combat gauge? Looks like a key ring

like warmachine key from warmachine:quick measuring set

**Kanluwen**

Paradigm wrote:
Shadowclaimer wrote:
Lady Atia on Twitter has been posting White Dwarf pics all day.

I threw them up on my blog for those interested.

https://clankhorvaak.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/aos-white-dwarf-leaks/

Includes all the variants of the Liberators, the Celestant, and a ton of assorted pictures of them "in action".

Pics

Spoiler:

Looks to be 5 Liberators to a box, with sword or hammer options (2-handers of each for the champions). Am I the only one who thinks the starter kit ones actually look far better in terms of posing ect?

I'm not sure about that, we're missing the opposite page from the initial photo I think. It might be a box of 10.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Binabik15 wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Binabik15 wrote:
Model-count is a hard way to judge a game. There were sub-20 models Chaos armies for earlier WHFB even after a general increase in body count. Someone even mentioned in an AoS thread playing a 2000 pts Chaos list with 16 models in 6th edition. (I would *love* to see a few good examples of such lists to make a nice little display "legacy" army, btw)

I look back at 5th edition an I love what I see. Small units, but still blocks of them and not hundreds ofnmodels per army. It looks like a small, well, army, but individual models don't start to blurr together while gazing over hordes of tiny dudes. 4x4 regiments look best, IMO, but the command models not fitting symmetrically is annoying. 5x5 has perfect grunt-CSM-grunt symmetry, but doesn't look as nice. I geuss I'm a weird in-betweener.

In previous editions of WHFB, a Chaos lord, with mark of khorne, a magic weapon, and on a chariot pulled by juggernauts, could easily cost around 1000 points. Those were the days

Don't make me look for my Hydra Sword.

No, I meant post-Ravening Hordes, when armies were big already. I don't have the skills to make a good low-model 2000 points Chaos list that would WORK if we decide to play 6th or 7th edition, though, because we played mostly Specialist Games and sub-2000 points games.

Now such a list sounds like a great "list" for AoS as well, should that turn out somewhat entertaining at least. And the modelling aspect of a band of higly detailed individuals facing an army fascinated me ever since I played the Seven Heroes scenario. So, if someone had a good list or a link to one, PM me, please.

More on topic: Just had the delivery address changed for my preorder of AoS to my dorm, I might not be able to visit my family or my GF due to cramming, but at least I'll have some plastic to work on when my eyes are tired and my head hurts and I should go to bed instead

The hydra sword...brings a tear to my eye

**Hanskrampf**

Kanluwen wrote:

I'm not sure about that, we're missing the opposite page from the initial photo I think. It might be a box of 10.

Nope, look at the pic of the prices.
It says "Fünf Miniaturen" = 5 models

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

guru wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
filbert wrote:
Do we really need to turn this thread into yet another PP vs GW nonsense? It's almost as tedious and ultimately as pointless as the Sega vs Nintendo arguments years ago.

Yeah, but Nintendo won out in the end. Maybe they weren't that pointless?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Combat gauge? Looks like a key ring

like warmachine key from warmachine:quick measuring set

That looks like a DVD case that's been run over

**Xyxox**

So for $40, it's obvious that the sigmarine dice cup is a far better deal than the Khorny one.

**Motograter**

Combat gauge is what price lol. I'll use my war machine one I think. Seems the lord with baby griffin is not the one being released

**guru**

Kanluwen wrote:
Paradigm wrote:

Looks to be 5 Liberators to a box, with sword or hammer options (2-handers of each for the champions). Am I the only one who thinks the starter kit ones actually look far better in terms of posing ect?

I'm not sure about that, we're missing the opposite page from the initial photo I think. It might be a box of 10.

preorder pic...

Fünf miniaturen = 5 models

**Samurai_Eduh**

So $50 for five guys? A little hefty...

**Kanluwen**

Hanskrampf wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

I'm not sure about that, we're missing the opposite page from the initial photo I think. It might be a box of 10.

Nope, look at the pic of the prices.
It says "Fünf Miniaturen" = 5 models

Yup!

I missed that picture; just waking up here on the East Coast...

**ImAGeek**

What's with all the leather (or faux leather) cording on the dice shakers? Is it just decoration?

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Double post.

**filbert**

Mantic Twitter wrote:Do you like our shiny new statue

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

filbert wrote:

Mantic Twitter wrote:Do you like our shiny new statue

Classic!

**Xyxox**

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
So $50 for five guys? A little hefty...

Terminator prices.

**filbert**

Nice to see they have a sense of humour in this day and age of po-faced corporate entities.

**Nostromodamus**

LOL, Mantic, you silly...

**Hanskrampf**

For anyone wondering, the tiny imprint on the side says, there is a set of rules on cardboard included. So still 4 pages of rules I guess.

**Kanluwen**

filbert wrote:

Mantic Twitter wrote:Do you like our shiny new statue

Better than most of their actual models.

**notprop**

Sad that Mantic feel that have to copy everything.........but not with the same quality of execution.