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GW changed this from a massed battle game to a version of Imperial Assault. True there is no board, but all the other aspects are almost the same. Like cards for units, scenarios, units to use, buffs for conditions, ect.

It's too bad they didn't keep the massed battle, and make this into a proper board game.

 Talys wrote:

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Somewhere a bunch of historical players are saying, "Welcome to the adult table Warhammer players".

Iain.

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Somewhere a bunch of historical players are saying, "Welcome to the adult table Warhammer players".

Iain.

Are these the historical players that are riding around on imaginary horses and comparing facial hair to give their troops bonuses?

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Somewhere a bunch of historical players are saying, "Welcome to the adult table Warhammer players".

Iain.

... now, dance for abilities!

gorgon wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
there's also been a bit of ranting about stuff like how crap KoW is, how dare KoW be mentioned here when ungrateful people want a balanced mass-battle alternative to AoS, good riddance to gamers who want that terrible, antisocial 'competition' thing, etc... (which goes to show that people taking a less-than-ecstatic review personally, is not that unusual a thing to expect)

That's some bizarre posting by you. You really believe all that?

Ladies and gentlemen: exhibit A.

Gorgon, not to say I and others disappointed by AoS aren't confrontational about it, but all I've seen you do is lash out at people who suggest AoS isn't all that and a bag of chips.

Remember, thoughtful critique and discussion wins over bitterness and fanboyism.

 infinite_array wrote:

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Somewhere a bunch of historical players are saying, "Welcome to the adult table Warhammer players".

Iain.

Are these the historical players that are riding around on imaginary horses and comparing facial hair to give their troops bonuses?

The fun ones are.

I think those previewed campaign missions sound quite good.

Are there plans to roll out scenario campaigns for all races do we know? Or just generic style ones where you can sub in any faction?

Also, I may well have missed a beat on this but where are the Sigmarite faction rules found? Only in the main boxed set?

 infinite_array wrote:

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Somewhere a bunch of historical players are saying, "Welcome to the adult table Warhammer players".

Iain.

Are these the historical players that are riding around on imaginary horses and comparing facial hair to give their troops bonuses?

Well, in SAGA, you break ties on deployment by giving the choice to the player with the "Most impressive facial hair." Does that count?

-John

Jbuckmaster wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Somewhere a bunch of historical players are saying, "Welcome to the adult table Warhammer players".

Iain.

Are these the historical players that are riding around on imaginary horses and comparing facial hair to give their troops bonuses?

Well, in SAGA, you break ties on deployment by giving the choice to the player with the "Most impressive facial hair." Does that count?

-John

I guess? I mean, I have managed to win several ties thanks to my facial hair!

But then again, that's simply a way to break ties on deployments. It's not as though I can walk around naked and twist my nipples to make my Berserkers better in combat.

 infinite_array wrote:
Are these the historical players that are riding around on imaginary horses and comparing facial hair to give their troops bonuses?

No, they are the ones wondering why Warhammer players have been doing that stuff since the '80s... for no particular reason*.

Iain.

* I mean for a troop bonus, they'd understand that.

 Ratius wrote:
I think those previewed campaign missions sound quite good.

Are there plans to roll out scenario campaigns for all races do we know? Or just generic style ones where you can sub in any faction?

Also, I may well have missed a beat on this but where are the Sigmarite faction rules found? Only in the main boxed set?

The Sigmarite faction rules haven't been released yet as there aren't technically any Sigmarite faction models released yet. Patience, grasshopper. The models are only up for preorder right now. We'll get the rules after the models are actually, you know, for sale.

In the Smallworld board game, the player with the pointiest ears goes first.

I always went first. But, perhaps crucially, it wasn't an unfair, ongoing, irritating advantage. More's the pity.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Talys wrote:
Huh. Cool.

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

So I guess you might say "fancy playing X Y or Z scenario rather than play X pts" ....... not sure it will be everyone's cup of tea but IF the scenarios are done well could work to some degree......

Yeah.. and they lasted until Scenario no. 6 before stating ".. you may include any other units you want."

 gorgon wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

Ashitaka wrote:
So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Is this going to end up like murderfang with murderclaws?

That's just plain wrong. Quite sad that this is what is replacing the Warhammer World

Because the old world was known for its creative naming..

The Old World was an interesting backdrop for the Warhammer setting. Do you think that 'Sigmar' as the stem of all those background descriptions is creative or interesting?

What I think is that you must be running out of important stuff to carp about if this is what's really sticking in your craw right now.

So Sigmar has an ego. *shrug* Alexander the Great established how many Alexandrias? And that was like, real life and stuff.

OTOH the idea of fantasy is often to at least come up with something that is *more* interesting than history/real life.

 Therion wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/DesignbyTuomasPirinen/posts/1620250038223421

Apologies if this has been posted already.

For those that didn't know, Tuomas Pirinen was the father of Warhammer 6th edition -- A rule set most considered the golden age of Warhammer -- One that was ruined by bad army book design and power creep.

He thinks these designs are like Apple?

Dude, your company has always been the Microsoft of miniature design. In most players' lifetimes, Apple's really only existed as an opposition to Microsoft.

And at least Alexander's army wasn't armed with Alexandrite weapons forged at the Alexandrabulum while they were scouring the world looking for buried Alexandrium.

 gorgon wrote:

Spoiler:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

Ashitaka wrote:
So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Is this going to end up like murderfang with murderclaws?

That's just plain wrong. Quite sad that this is what is replacing the Warhammer World

Because the old world was known for its creative naming..

The Old World was an interesting backdrop for the Warhammer setting. Do you think that 'Sigmar' as the stem of all those background descriptions is creative or interesting?

What I think is that you must be running out of important stuff to carp about if this is what's really sticking in your craw right now.

So Sigmar has an ego. *shrug* Alexander the Great established how many Alexandrias? And that was like, real life and stuff.

Hell if anything, this release is closer to Windows 8 than any Apple release.

The Sigmar rooted names are a city he founded, a central area of said city, and a metal he created.

I think that's a fair set of words to root like that.

I think it sounds as silly as the wolfclawed wolfborn wolfram with his wolfhowl about the coming of the wolftime

Whilst the idea of various cities and such named after Sigmar (kinda like with Alexander he great), there's such a thing as taking it too far, which GW sadly enough does way too often...

 Alpharius wrote:
And at least Alexander's army wasn't armed with Alexandrite weapons forged at the Alexandrabulum while they were scouring the world looking for buried Alexandrium.

Stop it before you accidentally write a sequel to the Da Vinci Code.

Is it possible Sigmar has a vocabulary disability? Imagine if Hodor were a god who had to name an entire new world's worth of people, places and things.

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
The Sigmar rooted names are a city he founded, a central area of said city, and a metal he created.

I think that's a fair set of words to root like that.

Designer A: Space Marine armour is made of Ceramite
Designer B: We should use a different name for the fantasy marines, something that is different and completely new. Like Sigmar-ramite or Sig-ramite
Designer A: Sig-marite.....

 prowla wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:


The Old World was an interesting backdrop for the Warhammer setting. Do you think that 'Sigmar' as the stem of all those background descriptions is creative or interesting?

I'm a bit disappointed with the whole aeon/whatnot that has passed since the destruction of the Old World. They could have made it so that the AoS occurs pretty much immediately after the End Times, picking up the remains of the races that have somehow escaped the destruction, and having the remnants of the OW as one of the worlds they fight upon.

And if it's like 1000 years after the OW, does it make AoS = WH1k?

Don't worry, everything that happened in the intervening time will be revealed in the forthcoming book, The Sigmarillion.


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 Alpharius wrote:
And at least Alexander's army wasn't armed with Alexandrite weapons forged at the Alexandrabulum while they were scouring the world looking for buried Alexandrium.

I'm just glad he didn't make his home in Sigmarelot, 'tis a silly place afterall.

Naming things after someone really isnt that big of a deal. From the fluff it seems Sigmar is the only dude around when he finds the core of the world, the special metal, new realms etc. Perhaps he wanted to solidify his presence as a god to these new people by naming this other wordly metal and palace after himself. Everyone will be reminded of Sigmar by the mere mention of the metal which forged demi-gods or the walls which protect his citizens lives. You would want to do every little thing possible to remind people that you are the one true god, seeing how tempting chaos can be.

Or perhaps he just didnt have the time or energy to think about what he was going to call this new metal or his palace, the guys who make up new names for elements were either enslaved or dead.

Preston Jon, that was brilliant. Specifically, "Sigmarillion".

It's a good thing Sigmaron is volcanically stable. I'd hate to see everyone sprayed with hot Smigma..

Ashitaka wrote:
So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Sigmadil - the artificial star Sigmar made from Sigmarite

I think the most annoying part about Sigmar tacking his name onto everything is that we already had something called a Sigmarite, and it wasn't a metal.



I mean, they were pretty metal in the figurative sense, but they tended to object if you made armor out of them.

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and what looks like the beginning of the end for some older stuff

Prestor Jon wrote:


I'm just glad he didn't make his home in Sigmarelot, 'tis a silly place afterall.

I'm sure the Dracoth is actually a guy in a costume banging 2 halves of a coconut together lol.