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 Frazzled wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Solution is simple: water wasters are bourgeois parasites and enemies of the people. Send them for educational holiday to coal mines of Vorkuta (or whatever really cold, really remote places the US has).
US needs to learn more lessons from I.V. Stalin.

This is wisdom Komrade. Send them to...Fresno!

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That's inhuman. No one deserves that.

 CptJake wrote:
I found the following article interesting: http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_24993601/california-drought-past-dry-periods-have-lasted-more

In part:

Through studies of tree rings, sediment and other natural evidence, researchers have documented multiple droughts in California that lasted 10 or 20 years in a row during the past 1,000 years -- compared to the mere three-year duration of the current dry spell. The two most severe megadroughts make the Dust Bowl of the 1930s look tame: a 240-year-long drought that started in 850 and, 50 years after the conclusion of that one, another that stretched at least 180 years.

If California is just going through what may be geologically a typical cycle, not watering those golf courses won't make much difference.

Think Frazz might have been the only one living around that time frame......actually.....I do remember Julius Caesar being a Centurion.........how far back we going here?!?!?!

Heard how Oprah is financing water operation on her own property to keep her grass green....

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
You are putting up a good fight, Lint, but certain prodigious Dakka OT posters loves to gak on California. It really should be on the bingo card.

It really should. Someone wake up Ouze!

 Lint wrote:
Yes, Northern CA. Where they grow the food.

edit* and the soil is better than the trampled layers of horse crap in Texas....

You grow food IN A DESERT.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Lint wrote:
Yes, Northern CA. Where they grow the food.

edit* and the soil is better than the trampled layers of horse crap in Texas....

You grow food IN A DESERT.

Only the very southern parts of the valley is a desert. Everything else is fertile, but arid, land.

Anyway, while LA might not pull a large chunk of water they still have no business pulling what they do. Lawns should be illegal down there.

Agriculture uses lots of water because people have to eat. Its not something you can avoid.

Looks like cali got hit with rain storms and snow, so maybe a bit of relief.

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with all the buildings and massive expanses of blacktop they've built everywhere which act as a giant heat generator. Mix in a huge population and add it all to a natural desert area and it's very little wonder things are drying out.

take them out and shoot them. problem solved.

 daddyorchips wrote:
take them out and shoot them. problem solved.

Why?

Everyone knows its a race which state falls off first
1. Florida with some of its massive hurricanes they catch
2. The Big One that would take a long slice of Cali

Way beyond the point that it does happen no one going to say "Obama fault" but "Finally"

 Ustrello wrote:
Looks like cali got hit with rain storms and snow, so maybe a bit of relief.

If it's anything like Oklahoma, then rain storms don't really help with much of anything. The ground is too dry to absorb all that moisture and it just runs off and away.

Agriculture uses lots of water because people have to eat. Its not something you can avoid.

Nonsense. Don't grow water intensive crops IN A DESERT (arid means desert by the way).

I should go outside and take pictures cause you guys fail to recognize that we are literally the most geological diverse state in the union! We do have a desert its way way down south next to LA. The central valley is warm but and may be considered "dry" but the thing is we do not have humidity which is perfect conditions for growing anything! Now north California is not where most of are produce is grown (unless you count marijuana and grapes for wine) also we have lots of red wood trees.



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 Frazzled wrote:

Agriculture uses lots of water because people have to eat. Its not something you can avoid.

Nonsense. Don't grow water intensive crops IN A DESERT (arid means desert by the way).

My god at this point you are trolling please research California.

Again, you're growing water intensive crops IN A DESERT.

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, you're growing water intensive crops IN A DESERT.

 stanman wrote:
It couldn't possibly have anything to do with all the buildings and massive expanses of blacktop they've built everywhere which act as a giant heat generator. Mix in a huge population and add it all to a natural desert area and it's very little wonder things are drying out.

Which blacktop expansive population centers caused the earlier droughts shown here?

 CptJake wrote:

Spoiler:

 stanman wrote:
It couldn't possibly have anything to do with all the buildings and massive expanses of blacktop they've built everywhere which act as a giant heat generator. Mix in a huge population and add it all to a natural desert area and it's very little wonder things are drying out.

Which blacktop expansive population centers caused the earlier droughts shown here?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Solution is simple: water wasters are bourgeois parasites and enemies of the people. Send them for educational holiday to coal mines of Vorkuta (or whatever really cold, really remote places the US has).
US needs to learn more lessons from I.V. Stalin.

This is wisdom Komrade. Send them to...Fresno!

.

That's inhuman. No one deserves that.

First of all, how dare you. Secondly, I agree.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Anyway, while LA might not pull a large chunk of water they still have no business pulling what they do. Lawns should be illegal down there.

In the San Gabriel Valley (part of LA county) I am seeing a lot of people elect to let their lawns wither or swap the grass and non-native plants out for drought resistant and native plants. Some cities have also adopted similar planting schemes for the road medians and public buildings even before Gov. Brown made his call for reductions last week. Its a drop in the bucket, sure, but it is a start. I do think segments of the population are finally "getting it" in terms of the severity of the drought. What is frustrating is driving around at night and seeing city sprinklers shooting arcs of water onto blacktop, or spraying sides of walls, because they are malfunctioning or out of alignment. I imagine scenes like that make the message of conserving water easier to ignore for certain people-- which of course is a big problem.

I've personally been doing my part by not washing the outside of my car for the last 8 months. It isn't laziness if it is for a good cause, right?

Last night's very brief rainstorm reminded me of my car's true paint color and reset the clock on the Dustmobile's sexy drabness.

We may need to genetically modify crops man. Make it possible to grow with very little water

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Anyway, while LA might not pull a large chunk of water they still have no business pulling what they do. Lawns should be illegal down there.

In the San Gabriel Valley (part of LA county) I am seeing a lot of people elect to let their lawns wither or swap the grass and non-native plants out for drought resistant and native plants. Some cities have also adopted similar planting schemes for the road medians and public buildings even before Gov. Brown made his call for reductions last week. Its a drop in the bucket, sure, but it is a start. I do think segments of the population are finally "getting it" in terms of the severity of the drought. What is frustrating is driving around at night and seeing city sprinklers shooting arcs of water onto blacktop, or spraying sides of walls, because they are malfunctioning or out of alignment. I imagine scenes like that make the message of conserving water easier to ignore for certain people-- which of course is a big problem.

I've personally been doing my part by not washing the outside of my car for the last 8 months. It isn't laziness if it is for a good cause, right?

Last night's very brief rainstorm reminded me of my car's true paint color and reset the clock on the Dustmobile's sexy drabness.

Why are there 'city sprinklers' in the first place and why the hell are they on during a drought?

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Anyway, while LA might not pull a large chunk of water they still have no business pulling what they do. Lawns should be illegal down there.

In the San Gabriel Valley (part of LA county) I am seeing a lot of people elect to let their lawns wither or swap the grass and non-native plants out for drought resistant and native plants. Some cities have also adopted similar planting schemes for the road medians and public buildings even before Gov. Brown made his call for reductions last week. Its a drop in the bucket, sure, but it is a start. I do think segments of the population are finally "getting it" in terms of the severity of the drought. What is frustrating is driving around at night and seeing city sprinklers shooting arcs of water onto blacktop, or spraying sides of walls, because they are malfunctioning or out of alignment. I imagine scenes like that make the message of conserving water easier to ignore for certain people-- which of course is a big problem.

I've personally been doing my part by not washing the outside of my car for the last 8 months. It isn't laziness if it is for a good cause, right?

Last night's very brief rainstorm reminded me of my car's true paint color and reset the clock on the Dustmobile's sexy drabness.

Why are there 'city sprinklers' in the first place and why the hell are they on during a drought?

Because cities can afford to waste water. They can afford higher prices while farmers can't, so they win out on that, waste water, and drive the price up for farmers.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
We may need to genetically modify crops man. Make it possible to grow with very little water

Yes, but liberals are afraid of GMOs.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Because cities can afford to waste water. They can afford higher prices while farmers can't, so they win out on that, waste water, and drive the price up for farmers.

Actually, it's because city gardening programs are vast, often almost entirely unplanned (most resources are gifted by local land developers once they've sold off an estate) and maintained by very few people.

But by all means, carry on with rhetoric.


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 CptJake wrote:

I love a good chart and that is an awesome one. Thanks for posting it.

 sebster wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Because cities can afford to waste water. They can afford higher prices while farmers can't, so they win out on that, waste water, and drive the price up for farmers.

Actually, it's because city gardening programs are vast, often almost entirely unplanned (most resources are gifted by local land developers once they've sold off an estate) and maintained by very few people.

But by all means, carry on with rhetoric.

You do know thats not contradictory with what I said. I never gave a reason for them wasting water, just that they can afford to. They have no incentive to eliminate wasteful practices.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Anyway, while LA might not pull a large chunk of water they still have no business pulling what they do. Lawns should be illegal down there.

In the San Gabriel Valley (part of LA county) I am seeing a lot of people elect to let their lawns wither or swap the grass and non-native plants out for drought resistant and native plants. Some cities have also adopted similar planting schemes for the road medians and public buildings even before Gov. Brown made his call for reductions last week. Its a drop in the bucket, sure, but it is a start. I do think segments of the population are finally "getting it" in terms of the severity of the drought. What is frustrating is driving around at night and seeing city sprinklers shooting arcs of water onto blacktop, or spraying sides of walls, because they are malfunctioning or out of alignment. I imagine scenes like that make the message of conserving water easier to ignore for certain people-- which of course is a big problem.

I've personally been doing my part by not washing the outside of my car for the last 8 months. It isn't laziness if it is for a good cause, right?

Last night's very brief rainstorm reminded me of my car's true paint color and reset the clock on the Dustmobile's sexy drabness.

Why are there 'city sprinklers' in the first place and why the hell are they on during a drought?

Do the cities you've lived in not have plants or grasses on public spaces? If they do who waters them? Do citizens drag their hoses out to water municipal flora?

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Anyway, while LA might not pull a large chunk of water they still have no business pulling what they do. Lawns should be illegal down there.

In the San Gabriel Valley (part of LA county) I am seeing a lot of people elect to let their lawns wither or swap the grass and non-native plants out for drought resistant and native plants. Some cities have also adopted similar planting schemes for the road medians and public buildings even before Gov. Brown made his call for reductions last week. Its a drop in the bucket, sure, but it is a start. I do think segments of the population are finally "getting it" in terms of the severity of the drought. What is frustrating is driving around at night and seeing city sprinklers shooting arcs of water onto blacktop, or spraying sides of walls, because they are malfunctioning or out of alignment. I imagine scenes like that make the message of conserving water easier to ignore for certain people-- which of course is a big problem.

I've personally been doing my part by not washing the outside of my car for the last 8 months. It isn't laziness if it is for a good cause, right?

Last night's very brief rainstorm reminded me of my car's true paint color and reset the clock on the Dustmobile's sexy drabness.

Why are there 'city sprinklers' in the first place and why the hell are they on during a drought?

Do the cities you've lived in not have plants or grasses on public spaces? If they do who waters them? Do citizens drag their hoses out to water municipal flora?

Edit: Let me rephrase. If its too dry for a plant to survive on its own, dont plant anything. Rocks can be quite decorative without using up any water or manpower.

 Tyr13 wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Anyway, while LA might not pull a large chunk of water they still have no business pulling what they do. Lawns should be illegal down there.

In the San Gabriel Valley (part of LA county) I am seeing a lot of people elect to let their lawns wither or swap the grass and non-native plants out for drought resistant and native plants. Some cities have also adopted similar planting schemes for the road medians and public buildings even before Gov. Brown made his call for reductions last week. Its a drop in the bucket, sure, but it is a start. I do think segments of the population are finally "getting it" in terms of the severity of the drought. What is frustrating is driving around at night and seeing city sprinklers shooting arcs of water onto blacktop, or spraying sides of walls, because they are malfunctioning or out of alignment. I imagine scenes like that make the message of conserving water easier to ignore for certain people-- which of course is a big problem.

I've personally been doing my part by not washing the outside of my car for the last 8 months. It isn't laziness if it is for a good cause, right?

Last night's very brief rainstorm reminded me of my car's true paint color and reset the clock on the Dustmobile's sexy drabness.

Why are there 'city sprinklers' in the first place and why the hell are they on during a drought?

Do the cities you've lived in not have plants or grasses on public spaces? If they do who waters them? Do citizens drag their hoses out to water municipal flora?

It usually rains enough, more than enough, for sprinklers to not be necessary. And if it doesnt, you shouldnt be planting stuff that doesnt grow in the area in the first place.