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Sounds like they were regarded as rarely seen 'Mermaid' type creatures/myths before the Maelstrom forced them more in to the open? So kind of a whimsical name from before people got a good look at them or even believed the stories they heard?

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Sounds like they were regarded as rarely seen 'Mermaid' type creatures/myths before the Maelstrom forced them more in to the open? So kind of a whimsical name from before people got a good look at them or even believed the stories they heard?

Angels were certainly much rarer, even considered to be a myth in many parts, until the Maelstrom arrived. Mermaids are a good analogy - ships seeing them pass by would consider them good luck. It's only since the Maelstrom has started churning up the energy in the tunnels that they've been driven into populated systems and the Maelstrom's energy (and the Karist influence) has made them much more aggressive.

I'm looking forward to people seeing the larger Angel designs - they are really quite something! The sample of the novel is a good insight into what they act like on the battlefield for those who haven't read it yet - you can get to that at this link.

Looking forward to showing people some more of the universe at Salute this weekend. We're going to be selling paperbacks of the novels, and both Stephen and I will be there to talk about them (and sign them if you like - I haven't done that before so I better practice my signature!). I'm also working on bringing the books to other formats following the feedback from people here - I'm aiming for iBooks, Nook and Kobo. That might all take a few weeks with the launch of the Kickstarter and Salute coming up though. If anyone has any other formats they would like to read the books in, please let me know and I will try and accommodate it in the future if I can.

 keltikhoa wrote:


You achieved your goal with me. Can you explain more on Angels? How is a name that is normally tied to warriors of heaven now used by a religious group to name a creature they seem to forcibly frenzy and send into battle.
Is there some relation between an ascended soul and an angel? IE angel is a physical representation of a successful ascension
If so why are they used as attack dogs?
Am I drawing connections that are not relevant?
Is my own communion giving me visions again?

Now there's a really interesting idea!

I see a lot of 2nd Edition 40k in this. The one thing I'm interested in. Do you have any card scenery planned, similar to GW's amazing pieces from 2nd edition?

I really want to support you guys, but I don't have a credit card. Is there a way to use paypal and still get the rewards? Prepaid credit cards haven't worked for me yet, so that isn't an option.

Szeras wrote:
I really want to support you guys, but I don't have a credit card. Is there a way to use paypal and still get the rewards? Prepaid credit cards haven't worked for me yet, so that isn't an option.

From a quick skim of Paypal's site, it looks like you don't need a credit card these days... you can link a bank account or debit card instead. (You always could, but used to be you needed a credit card on file first in order to send money to anyone. That requirement appears to have been removed)


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 darrkespur wrote:
...I'm also working on bringing the books to other formats following the feedback from people here - I'm aiming for iBooks, Nook and Kobo. That might all take a few weeks with the launch of the Kickstarter and Salute coming up though. If anyone has any other formats they would like to read the books in, please let me know and I will try and accommodate it in the future if I can.

I really, really prefer to buy hardcovers where possible rather than paperbacks... so if there is any chance of that happening, I'd be all over it.

 insaniak wrote:

Szeras wrote:
I really want to support you guys, but I don't have a credit card. Is there a way to use paypal and still get the rewards? Prepaid credit cards haven't worked for me yet, so that isn't an option.

From a quick skim of Paypal's site, it looks like you don't need a credit card these days... you can link a bank account or debit card instead. (You always could, but used to be you needed a credit card on file first in order to send money to anyone. That requirement appears to have been removed)

But I don't think Paypal works with Kickstarter, so that might be the hickup.

Now in the US you can get a Paypal Debit Card that links to your Paypal account and I think you could use that card to fund Kickstarter. There is no credit required and Paypal would just take the money you spend with the card out of your linked bank account. But I don't know if that option is available in Canada.

The problem is Kickstarter doesn't accept anything except credit cards, so I can't use Paypal. But thanks for the advice!


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 d-usa wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Szeras wrote:
I really want to support you guys, but I don't have a credit card. Is there a way to use paypal and still get the rewards? Prepaid credit cards haven't worked for me yet, so that isn't an option.

From a quick skim of Paypal's site, it looks like you don't need a credit card these days... you can link a bank account or debit card instead. (You always could, but used to be you needed a credit card on file first in order to send money to anyone. That requirement appears to have been removed)

But I don't think Paypal works with Kickstarter, so that might be the hickup.

Now in the US you can get a Paypal Debit Card that links to your Paypal account and I think you could use that card to fund Kickstarter. There is no credit required and Paypal would just take the money you spend with the card out of your linked bank account. But I don't know if that option is available in Canada.

I'll check.

Ah, I misread the question, apparently. Sorry... lack of sleep and still on first coffee...

Can't you get a Credit Card that doesn't have any 'credit' as such but that you add to the card? Like a sort of pre-paid VISA card?

I can't get the paypal card unfortunately.
Also, it's all good. I do appreciate the help.

Well, the alternative is finding someone who does have a credit card and being very persuasive.

 filbert wrote:
Well, the alternative is finding someone who does have a credit card and being very persuasive.

Adding to what filbert said; if you frequent a club, you can possibly get a club backing together with one person acting as "treasurer". Granted, you would all have to trust each other for this to work out but it has happened in other kickstarters.

 Bottle wrote:
I see a lot of 2nd Edition 40k in this. The one thing I'm interested in. Do you have any card scenery planned, similar to GW's amazing pieces from 2nd edition?

Lego addressed this on the prior page, which I'll copy below. Pay close attention to the last line

 legoburner wrote:
We spent a lot of time investigating card terrain but it was just not financially viable without cutting models or boosting the price of the set. While we love the look of card terrain (Necromunda more than anything), it does deteriorate fairly fast if not properly built, and it does not have as much flexibility of assembly and strength as we'd like unless you go all in like some of the other excellent companies out there.

To do cardboard terrain properly would have been a time and effort investment that does not match up with the rest of our project's skills and contacts, so it is best left to companies that focus on that sort of thing.

Plastic terrain however, you'll have to wait until tomorrow

Are there plans for plastic tokens and templates?

You can pick up a prepaid credit card at most major retailers which would let you fund. Paypal also offer a card linked to your paypal account which should work:
https://www.paypal-prepaid.com/

Bottle, stay tuned for tomorrow's terrain teaser


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 Emperors_Champion wrote:
Are there plans for plastic tokens and templates?

Not from us. We did price them up and did some preliminary work on them but they just dont work out. We could not get an explosion design we were happy with to work in 2 part plastic either, but we'll keep tinkering with it I'm sure and maybe have something in many many years time.

Szeras wrote:
I can't get the paypal card unfortunately.
Also, it's all good. I do appreciate the help.

In the US, you can buy prepaid visa and mastercard gift cards in grocery stores, gas stations, etc and use them on Kickstarter. They usually cost $4-5 USD over the amount you put on them and can (at least in the US thanks to terrorism) only be used within the country. I don't know if Canadian gift cards would have the same restriction but if they exist up north you may want to read the fine print on the back of the package.

Szeras wrote:
The problem is Kickstarter doesn't accept anything except credit cards, so I can't use Paypal. But thanks for the advice!


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 d-usa wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Szeras wrote:
I really want to support you guys, but I don't have a credit card. Is there a way to use paypal and still get the rewards? Prepaid credit cards haven't worked for me yet, so that isn't an option.

From a quick skim of Paypal's site, it looks like you don't need a credit card these days... you can link a bank account or debit card instead. (You always could, but used to be you needed a credit card on file first in order to send money to anyone. That requirement appears to have been removed)

But I don't think Paypal works with Kickstarter, so that might be the hickup.

Now in the US you can get a Paypal Debit Card that links to your Paypal account and I think you could use that card to fund Kickstarter. There is no credit required and Paypal would just take the money you spend with the card out of your linked bank account. But I don't know if that option is available in Canada.

I'll check.

I use my debit card with Kickstarter all the time. It works fine. It just needs to have a Visa or Mastercard logo on it. Talk to your bank. If you have a checking account, you should be able to get a compatible debit card.

 legoburner wrote:
You can pick up a prepaid credit card at most major retailers which would let you fund. Paypal also offer a card linked to your paypal account which should work:
https://www.paypal-prepaid.com/

Bottle, stay tuned for tomorrow's terrain teaser

Living in Canada has very few downsides. Not being able to get a paypal card is one of them.


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I do really appreciate the help though.


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 Kriswall wrote:

Szeras wrote:
The problem is Kickstarter doesn't accept anything except credit cards, so I can't use Paypal. But thanks for the advice!


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 d-usa wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Szeras wrote:
I really want to support you guys, but I don't have a credit card. Is there a way to use paypal and still get the rewards? Prepaid credit cards haven't worked for me yet, so that isn't an option.

From a quick skim of Paypal's site, it looks like you don't need a credit card these days... you can link a bank account or debit card instead. (You always could, but used to be you needed a credit card on file first in order to send money to anyone. That requirement appears to have been removed)

But I don't think Paypal works with Kickstarter, so that might be the hickup.

Now in the US you can get a Paypal Debit Card that links to your Paypal account and I think you could use that card to fund Kickstarter. There is no credit required and Paypal would just take the money you spend with the card out of your linked bank account. But I don't know if that option is available in Canada.

I'll check.

I use my debit card with Kickstarter all the time. It works fine. It just needs to have a Visa or Mastercard logo on it. Talk to your bank. If you have a checking account, you should be able to get a compatible debit card.

This I can do, I won't be able to fund on Friday, but once I get back home I will certainly talk to my bank. I checked online and it looks like they have that option. Thanks to everyone who helped! I'm very excited for the release!

The more the merrier, and the more stretch goals unlocked I really really want to see hunter mechs and adult angels locked in!

Maelstrom's Edge goes live on Kickstarter in just 2 more days - on Friday! Save your pennies and get in as the door opens for eternal bragging rights!

So what timezone would that be?
Since there is no exclusives I don't need to sit in front of a computer and hit refresh non stop, but I would like to back this up when it comes up.

Okay it's tomorrow in the UK now...

Plastic scenery front and centre... please...

Something stupid just occurred to me. So I know the maelstrom is pressing ever outward, eating up all the matter in its path right? But that actually doesn't tell em what it is that actually 'happens' to that matter beyond fueling more and more exploding maelstrom. What about the matter and energy back near the beginning point? Has it already blown itself out? Is that energy riding the wave forward and outward still? Like an expanding donut? What's left behind? Most importantly though, does anything "live" in the maelstrom? Maybe focusing it's drive?

Spoil me rotten, Sirs!

I thought about that too. I'm excited to find out!

 Phyrekzhogos wrote:
Something stupid just occurred to me. So I know the maelstrom is pressing ever outward, eating up all the matter in its path right? But that actually doesn't tell em what it is that actually 'happens' to that matter beyond fueling more and more exploding maelstrom. What about the matter and energy back near the beginning point? Has it already blown itself out? Is that energy riding the wave forward and outward still? Like an expanding donut? What's left behind? Most importantly though, does anything "live" in the maelstrom? Maybe focusing it's drive?

Those are indeed pertinent questions...

 Phyrekzhogos wrote:
Something stupid just occurred to me. So I know the maelstrom is pressing ever outward, eating up all the matter in its path right? But that actually doesn't tell em what it is that actually 'happens' to that matter beyond fueling more and more exploding maelstrom. What about the matter and energy back near the beginning point? Has it already blown itself out? Is that energy riding the wave forward and outward still? Like an expanding donut? What's left behind? Most importantly though, does anything "live" in the maelstrom? Maybe focusing it's drive?

Spoil me rotten, Sirs!

According to the Karists there is a sort of heaven waiting on the 'other side' ofthe maelstrom. I assume, of course, that this isn't technically what you're asking but at least some people in universe seem to think that it takes you to another dimension (the one the cybel tunnels go through?) & that this is where we would become the stereotypical "perfect energy beings" you see in some other sci-fi.

Certainly it's impossible to get through the Edge to find out, so feel free to draw your own conclusions as to what's on the other side

 Stormphoenix wrote:
Certainly it's impossible to get through the Edge to find out, so feel free to draw your own conclusions as to what's on the other side

Enlightenment awaits for us Karists.

One of the first things we did to start gaining competence with plastics was to design a sprue of terrain. Maelstrom's Edge benefits from a decent amount of terrain on the board, and as such, we wanted to be sure that we could get maximum coverage with a small amount of sprue space.

There are plenty of companies out there providing excellent MDF and full-building plastic terrain so simply doing what they have done with a different flavour did not appeal to us. Instead, we looked back in time at more efficient terrain building options and came up with a modular sprue which is scale compatible with most major terrain ranges that are already out there.

What we've created is this:




A large range of high quality plastic components, including but not limited to, doors, windows, fascias, panels, edging, pipe fittings (designed to fit standard drinking straws and small pipes), and much more.

Our terrain allows you to take a simple object, or build a simple shape out of card, balsa or foamcore, and cut some holes in it and stick in our plastic:



Then end up with a fantastic building once painted and weathered:



Here's a bunch more examples, all made using standard hobby materials and our terrain sprue:










With our terrain sprue, we want to inspire people to be better hobbyists and build some truly creative things. The terrain sprue is not in the boxed set by default as it is huge (almost A4 sized), and very heavy and very expensive to produce. If we hit $45,000, it will be unlocked as stretch goal number 2 and we'll be able to get them in to the boxed set.

Were those built by 3T?