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SO wait.. now we will have legions of multi lasers flying around with an additional shot?

really?

Can I have a Vulcan Mega bolter mounted to my Leman Russ tanks then? It only seems fair.

Fuu.......Really?
Damn, I mean.....wow


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My White Scars Cry.........
Then, Ignores cover IG it is then

Ignores Cover is rarely AP3, but I don't know my IG Codex backwards and forwards. Might not be the most helpful when all is said and done.

Shiny Helldrakes and LR Redeemer with s6 ap3 ignors cover. but LR will be pray to D weapons, it needs BFG.

All in all it seems realy bad news for my DA codex (and what isn't). Iy is good that we have so few Eldars plaers in my meta.

 Reinokarite wrote:
Shiny Helldrakes and LR Redeemer with s6 ap3 ignors cover. but LR will be pray to D weapons, it needs BFG.

All in all it seems realy bad news for my DA codex (and what isn't). Iy is good that we have so few Eldars plaers in my meta.

Same. At least not right now. There was a sudden influx of Necron players when that Codex dropped.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Ignores Cover is rarely AP3, but I don't know my IG Codex backwards and forwards. Might not be the most helpful when all is said and done.

They have Artillery that is Str9 ap3 and can have the Ignores cover order placed on them.
So yeah, VERY GOOD.

 Reinokarite wrote:
Shiny Helldrakes and LR Redeemer with s6 ap3 ignors cover. but LR will be pray to D weapons, it needs BFG.

All in all it seems realy bad news for my DA codex (and what isn't). Iy is good that we have so few Eldars plaers in my meta.

And if it's allowed, the Malcador Infernus will pretty much ruin these Jetbikes day, and pointswise its low enough to be fielded multiple times.

I thought about both of those (@Reinokarite), but the Land Raider absolutely will not get in range. To think otherwise means you've been against some bad Eldar players. They'll move around it like a school of fish in front of a shark. And the Heldrake is going to be up against those 160 shots that just need a few double 6s to glance it to death. Not hard to do.

I was actually thinking of the bigger side of things. Malcador Infernus. AP3 Hellstorm weapons. Not much can get away from those, and savvy Eldar players know better than to bunch up. That big template might be what's really needed. But, Hellhounds might also be a valid idea. Still expensive, but the weapon of the Redeemer and nearly as fast as the Heldrake...

Ninja'd. But glad I'm not the only one thinking about that Malcador.

If this is true, I'm probably done. Again.

Martel732 wrote:
If this is true, I'm probably done. Again.

I'm there with ya. I've loved playing my new codex, but this might make me quit the game as a whole.

Martel732 wrote:
If this is true, I'm probably done. Again.

I'm not, I'll just never play eldar.

"Sorry, your book is too broken, go buy a not-game-genie army."

I'll probably just concede tourney games against them too if tourneys don't try to reign them in somehow. I'd rather spend 2 hours watching other games than putting my models down and picking them back up.

Ill have to deploy my Stormsword more. The Hellhammer Siege Gun's huge blast, high ST and great AP with NO COVER will hopefully remove large numbers of Jetbikes. Only problem is its short range.
That or deploy more Erradicators. I have twin Malcador infernuses that could do something (that was a good idea).

Throw as much heavy weight anti Cover at them and just... hope.....

If only they didn't remove the Anti-jink rule from the Hydras they might still have some use!!! I suppose I can just use the Imperial Armor version and pay 5 more points and still have the Auto Targeter.

I would also include the Colossus but even with its ST and AP and No cover, its limited range makes it pointless with how fast those Gnats move!!

The only other thing I can think of to counter mass jetbikes would be sheer large numbers of shots, hence the Mega bolter idea.
A Vulcan Macharius, or Stormlord spraying bullets liberally might do damage. I can only think that sheer volume might do something against multiple saves.

And you just know GW will ship the new Jetbike box with one scatter laser fitting for five models...

Hey, think this means I should list all the old Eldar heavy weapons I have collecting dust on the Swap Shop?

Idea: tourneys are now organized into 2 groups:
A: non-eldar
B: eldar

Players are always paired only with other players from their own group. Tournament champ is the winner of group A. The top player of group B gets some afterthought prize, like a congratulatory wheel of cheese.

Oh and they're still qualified for best painted army, of course.

 Rippy wrote:
The sky is fallin'

I retract my sarcastic comment. I don't like the look of this release at all.


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niv-mizzet wrote:
Idea: tourneys are now organized into 2 groups:
A: non-eldar
B: eldar

Players are always paired only with other players from their own group. Tournament champ is the winner of group A. The top player of group B gets some afterthought prize, like a congratulatory wheel of cheese.

Oh and they're still qualified for best painted army, of course.

Lol @ this funny and extreme idea.

niv-mizzet wrote:
The top player of group B gets some afterthought prize, like a congratulatory wheel of cheese.

And a congratulatory kick in the nuts.

It's nice having people complain about Eldar again. I forgot how much I missed this since Necrons came out.

Considering Necrons only jumped up to the top of the middle tier, I think people are just crying because something is new and the eldar codex came out in... oh no... 2013!! Even if they're still the best they're not new! Must complain about everything else?

 Pyeatt wrote:
Considering Necrons only jumped up to the top of the middle tier, I think people are just crying because something is new and the eldar codex came out in... oh no... 2013!! Even if they're still the best they're not new! Must complain about everything else?

Depends on the format you're talking about. In ITC tourneys, the only army to have a higher "average placement of best general" than the Necrons are Eldar as near as I can tell. (I ran the numbers for daemons, nids, and marines, and just eyeballed the rest.)

In FLGS format....well they're still smoking hot there too. So I don't know how you get "top of middle tier" from that.

Hmm well at least turn one my tanks should survive, unless they get poped by a WK.

Oh this kind of thread again.

Anyway, a jetbike horde isn't going to dominate anything. There's so many counters to it off the top of my head that it doesn't worry me one bit. It will work just like numerous other similiar lists do - against an unprepared opponent in a pick up game or against a list that will get dominated by pretty much everything anyway.

I'm more worried about the other stuff that could possibly come out in the book.

I just... oh lord... I can't stop laughing at people who threaten to quit/quit because of a new Codex. Best source of hilarity.

Makumba wrote:
Hmm well at least turn one my tanks should survive, unless they get poped by a WK.

T1: Jetbikes with attached farseer move up 12". Psychic phase, too many dice are thrown at misfortune on your big tank 24" or less away. Shooting phase, your tank dies.

Don't write off the jetbike horde just yet. Formation benefits and psychic buffs might make it even more broken

But yea, there are far scarier things - Ranged D, lots of farseers/warlocks casting Vortex...

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 RunicFIN wrote:
Oh this kind of thread again.

Anyway, a jetbike horde isn't going to dominate anything. There's so many counters to it off the top of my head that it doesn't worry me one bit. It will work just like numerous other similiar lists do - against an unprepared opponent in a pick up game or against a list that will get dominated by pretty much everything anyway.

I'm more worried about the other stuff that could possibly come out in the book.

I just... oh lord... I can't stop laughing at people who threaten to quit/quit because of a new Codex. Best source of hilarity.

Another one of Runic's "the game is fine, you all just suck at it" posts. I guarantee if I was handed the current eldar codex, but with 1080 points taken up out of an 1850 list on this obsec bike spam tactic, (since we don't know the rest of the codex yet,) I could obliterate 95% of the lists you try to play against me. Most of the other 5% would be Eldar mirror matches. Even if the rest of the codex sucks, 2 farseers, the bikes, and then your choice of anti-tank ally and you have a list that will carry you to the top tables in any tourney, except on your most ungodly unlucky days. Or if you try to go melee the enemy with your bikes or something.

Instead of stating something that is wrong, you can alternatively check my message history and see the vaurious posts about the games poor balance and rules issues.

Pay my way and buy me the army, and I'll take you up on that. I don't have a money tree in my backyard to buy the most OP thing everytime a new book comes out, nor do I have the money to travel the world just to roflstomp a few people with actual fun lists until I get to a mirror match, where the dice will literally tell us who wins and loses.

Even if I was told by a prophet that I was 100% guaranteed to win every match, I still really wouldn't feel like going because throwing a bunch of dice and then telling the opponent they lost ISN'T FUN.

I hate playing combo decks in magic for the same reason. They don't actually engage the opponent in a game of actions and reactions. They just...for lack of a better term...masturbate.

I play BA pretty much for that reason. I wish they were a wee bit stronger so as to be more middle tier, but I don't want any part of these "table your army from my deployment zone by turn 3" shenanigans.

So where should I send the bills for my airfare, hotel stays, and new models? :p

Okay, so in essence you are saying you could win the largest / some of the largest tournaments in the world by wielding said jetbikes but do not have the time, money or the interest.

Gotcha.

 RunicFIN wrote:
Okay, so in essence you are saying you could win the largest / some of the largest tournaments in the world by wielding said jetbikes but do not have the time, money or the interest.

Gotcha.

I can get over the time and interest issues if you're willing to fund your little experiment! I highly doubt anyone on dakka has the overflowing dosh to just send someone of their choice across the world multiple times though.

(plus that bike army is gonna be 'spensive to wysiwyg, if people are right about the "1 scatter laser per box" thing.)

 RunicFIN wrote:
Oh this kind of thread again.

Anyway, a jetbike horde isn't going to dominate anything. There's so many counters to it off the top of my head that it doesn't worry me one bit. It will work just like numerous other similiar lists do - against an unprepared opponent in a pick up game or against a list that will get dominated by pretty much everything anyway.

I'm more worried about the other stuff that could possibly come out in the book.

I just... oh lord... I can't stop laughing at people who threaten to quit/quit because of a new Codex. Best source of hilarity.

Did you ever think that maybe the people saying they're gonna quit 'because of a new codex', it might be the final straw? They aren't threatening to quit because of one bad codex, but because the whole game is hopelessly unbalanced and it just gets worse and worse with each release.