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That's also a very good point. It's very depressing to get to each book and think "Maybe they've learned. Maybe this time will be different!" And then before you know it, you're having to tell the other non-warhammer players "oh no, it wasn't GW that gave me this black eye again...I uh...fell down some stairs."

That can only go on so many times before you just grab your stuff and leave in the night.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Did you ever think that maybe the people saying they're gonna quit 'because of a new codex', it might be the final straw? They aren't threatening to quit because of one bad codex, but because the whole game is hopelessly unbalanced and it just gets worse and worse with each release.

Nope.

Honestly, as the rumours about Eldar turn into substantiated fact, I started to ask myself, "okay, how do I deal with this?" I considered baneblade variants, bringing back my Armoured Battlegroup and so on until I realized, wait, the simplest solution is to just not. My club is currently undergoing a schism between powergamers and not powergamers, and GW simply isn't helping, and their continual blinding incompetence at creating any kind of cohesive, functional ruleset is abhorrent and extremely depressing.

I refuse to spend a penny more on GW prime product while bs like what's coming down the pipe exists. I was humming and hawing over whether or not to do 30k instead moving forwards, but honestly, it isn't really a choice anymore; if I want to keep having fun in the 40k universe, the 40k tabletop game clearly isn't for me. 30k certainly is more expensive, but I'm hoping the next HH rulebook, due to having the "Imperial Militia" might give me a reason to use my DKOK models in a capcity beyond just packing them up after putting them on the table.

And before anyone takes the route of "well, there are counters to this new Eldar stuff," of course there are, but this says quite loudly that GW doesn't care about making a balanced ruleset, their business model is officially divorced from any semblance of good game design, which for the time being at least, FW still recognizes.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Honestly, as the rumours about Eldar turn into substantiated fact, I started to ask myself, "okay, how do I deal with this?" I considered baneblade variants, bringing back my Armoured Battlegroup and so on until I realized, wait, the simplest solution is to just not. My club is currently undergoing a schism between powergamers and not powergamers, and GW simply isn't helping, and their continual blinding incompetence at creating any kind of cohesive, functional ruleset is abhorrent and extremely depressing.

I refuse to spend a penny more on GW prime product while bs like what's coming down the pipe exists. I was humming and hawing over whether or not to do 30k instead moving forwards, but honestly, it isn't really a choice anymore; if I want to keep having fun in the 40k universe, the 40k tabletop game clearly isn't for me. 30k certainly is more expensive, but I'm hoping the next HH rulebook, due to having the "Imperial Militia" might give me a reason to use my DKOK models in a capcity beyond just packing them up after putting them on the table.

And before anyone takes the route of "well, there are counters to this new Eldar stuff," of course there are, but this says quite loudly that GW doesn't care about making a balanced ruleset, their business model is officially divorced from any semblance of good game design, which for the time being at least, FW still recognizes.

People laughed at my idea of having Eldar armies off in their own little Eldar only sub-tournaments while the rest of the more fair armies fight it out with each other.

I definitely agree though. It's pretty irritating to see some armies, Eldar being the biggest offender, constantly handed the "keys to the kingdom." GW apparently thinks that Eldar should always be the most awesome army on the table for some insane reason. Phil Kelly must have some blackmail evidence on the rest of the design team or something.

i'm so annoyed this.

Why do Eldar keep getting units that do everything you want absurdly well and for cheap. They do absurd damage, are amazingly fast and can be very durable all for a low price. That was the problem with the wave serpent and this time their bikes have it now.

Not to mention it sounds like the army can spam D weapons too.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Step1) Bring a codex that can take Landraiders, also have some Imperial Knights.

Step2) ??????

Step3) Profit

if only LandRaiders were still Dedicated transports in the new BA codex...

 MajorStoffer wrote:
I considered baneblade variants, bringing back my Armoured Battlegroup and so on

Except oops, GW gave Eldar mass D-weapons to laugh at LRBTs and Baneblades. I think you're probably right about "don't play" being the only real option against an army that has no meaningful weaknesses.

 Peregrine wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
I considered baneblade variants, bringing back my Armoured Battlegroup and so on

Except oops, GW gave Eldar mass D-weapons to laugh at LRBTs and Baneblades. I think you're probably right about "don't play" being the only real option against an army that has no meaningful weaknesses.

Even without D, having a bunch of troops in wave serpents with St 10 Ap2, non-scattering deep strikers with haywire or Lance meant my Russes were never especially powerful, merely the best recourse I had.

It's a shame too, as for all the blandness of the first run of 7th edition codecis, it was looking like we might actually get a pseudo-balanced game when the big offenders got re-done.

Now? I'm perfectly willing and ready to give up on 40k completely; GW has shown the direction they prefer, and I have other applications for my models within the same gods-damned company which does not constantly frustrate, annoy or depress me, to say nothing of my burgeoning Infinity collection, X-Wing or Armada.

If I want to play 40k, I'm better off booting up Dawn of War and the Ultimate Apocalypse mod.

Looking at that kind of firepower and looking at the armys I play (or plan to)...
Nothing can deal with that. Literally nothing.
Wounding anything on 2's with weight of fire versus saves?
Marines keel over. Bikes keel over. Terminators keel over.
Anything but a LR will be glanced to death.
Skitarii keel over, being denied their FNP to boot. With AV12 max, the vehicles won't last either.

I will most likely never play this, but Emperor save it, that's bonkers.

What's the maths on Tomb Blades vs Jetbikes?

Oh, and personally I blame Peter Jackson (and to a lesser extent Tolkien) for giving culture the perfect-beautiful-godly elf trope.

niv-mizzet wrote:
That's also a very good point. It's very depressing to get to each book and think "Maybe they've learned. Maybe this time will be different!" And then before you know it, you're having to tell the other non-warhammer players "oh no, it wasn't GW that gave me this black eye again...I uh...fell down some stairs."

That can only go on so many times before you just grab your stuff and leave in the night.

This is why I quit playing WoW. I played a shadow priest in MoP and in the end I just got sick of all the warlock and mage bs (some people here surely know what I mean). Maybe a little off-topic but things like that do happen. For some people this codex will be the last straw and they'll just quit.

 God In Action wrote:
What's the maths on Tomb Blades vs Jetbikes?

Oh, and personally I blame Peter Jackson (and to a lesser extent Tolkien) for giving culture the perfect-beautiful-godly elf trope.

Ironically Tolkien never really had that in the books, the Mirkwood elves really aint like that being paranoid rednecks who kidnap people randomly and have big drunken parties, and the one's to the west only really have a few elves of that Caliber (Thingol for example), and anyone with that sort of attitude are vastly skewered in the SIlmarillion.

The Movies however...Yeah, still aint as bad as the Inheritance (Eragon), elves.

 God In Action wrote:
What's the maths on Tomb Blades vs Jetbikes?

Oh, and personally I blame Peter Jackson (and to a lesser extent Tolkien) for giving culture the perfect-beautiful-godly elf trope.

Its takes 3.375 Scatter Lasers to kill 1 Decurion Tomb Blade

It takes 5.0625 Tomb Blades to kill a Guardian Jetbike at long range (since it won't be getting in rapid fire range of them thats for sure)

I'm having a hard time figuring out which is a more moronic move; the scatterbikes, or D weapons on troops.

Though I'm glad we've already had a few posts telling us it won't be that bad because it may not fare super well against a handful of equally ridiculous and cheesy, over the top builds.

Two things which seem broken on paper get leaked and everyone just loses their mind.

I doubt we'll see the sD anywhere besides maybe the wraithknight's sword, heavy wraithcannon and D-cannon. I really doubt the wraithguard will get it.

The point about the scarcity of actual shuriken cannon gun models is probably important- a spammed jetbike army may seem really good, but the logistical problem of physically getting that many models with the right weapon will be an obstacle. Compare it to Tomb Blades- exceptionally power to point cost ratio, but I've not seen any mass Tomb Blade spam armies yet- perhaps because of the same supply problem.

Why do you doubt that?

Two days ago, you would have doubted that GW would give one of the best troops choices in the game (EJB) a massive buff with no downsides.

 n0t_u wrote:
Two things which seem broken on paper get leaked and everyone just loses their mind.

I doubt we'll see the sD anywhere besides maybe the wraithknight's sword, heavy wraithcannon and D-cannon. I really doubt the wraithguard will get it.

It's already been confirmed that wraithguard are getting D-weapons

 n0t_u wrote:
Two things which seem broken on paper get leaked and everyone just loses their mind.

I doubt we'll see the sD anywhere besides maybe the wraithknight's sword, heavy wraithcannon and D-cannon. I really doubt the wraithguard will get it.

http://imgur.com/ewWczmA

Still in doubt?

My wraithguard shoot strength D?

That's utterly hilarious.

Can't wait for the new CSM dex next year. So we can get nerfed again.

I run pure Iyanden this is hilariously unneeded.

I'm honestly jealous that eldar get all the Destroyer stuff. My orks want some!

The D-weapon changes won't affect me much. D-scythes will hurt more than the average flamer, but that's about it.

I just hope not everyone starts an eldar army in my FLGS. I'd like to not only deploy, but maybe even roll dice for the stompa I'm getting this weekend.

I like how much of this thread is basically

Dude, these new units are incredibly op, what the heck?

Come on guys, I know everyone hates GW but do you really think they would do this? Get real.

/posts image

/leaves thread

 Ashiraya wrote:
My wraithguard shoot strength D?

That's utterly hilarious.

can't see you having many gaming friends for long lol


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Akiasura wrote:
I like how much of this thread is basically

Dude, these new units are incredibly op, what the heck?

Come on guys, I know everyone hates GW but do you really think they would do this? Get real.

/posts image

/leaves thread

I think everyone is currently in shock.

 Rippy wrote:
Can't wait for the new CSM dex next year. So we can get nerfed again.

We will get one thing that is cheesy, but doesn't win games so that people can complain we don't need anything else to improve.

By the chaos gods, how did any of this get approved? Even Kelly's former OP work was at least somewhat harder to spot till you saw how they interacted.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Can't wait for the new CSM dex next year. So we can get nerfed again.

We will get one thing that is cheesy, but doesn't win games so that people can complain we don't need anything else to improve.

By the chaos gods, how did any of this get approved? Even Kelly's former OP work was at least somewhat harder to spot till you saw how they interacted.

I remember getting my hopes up for CSM as other powerful dexes were coming out, and we got our peice of poop.

Akiasura wrote:
I like how much of this thread is basically

Dude, these new units are incredibly op, what the heck?

Come on guys, I know everyone hates GW but do you really think they would do this? Get real.

/posts image

/leaves thread

Because if it is as it is at face value its incredibly stupid. I'd probably have to move onto Tau or something, cause my army would have nothing but SD shots.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Can't wait for the new CSM dex next year. So we can get nerfed again.

We will get one thing that is cheesy, but doesn't win games so that people can complain we don't need anything else to improve.

By the chaos gods, how did any of this get approved? Even Kelly's former OP work was at least somewhat harder to spot till you saw how they interacted.

GW either decided to make Destroyer more common in an attempt to shake up the meta and encourage hordes more (I mean, S - D still hurts, but you're only losing one guy anyway!). That or they realized D-weapons could stand for Destroyer weapons and decided to go with it.

 Mumblez wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Can't wait for the new CSM dex next year. So we can get nerfed again.

We will get one thing that is cheesy, but doesn't win games so that people can complain we don't need anything else to improve.

By the chaos gods, how did any of this get approved? Even Kelly's former OP work was at least somewhat harder to spot till you saw how they interacted.

GW either decided to make Destroyer more common in an attempt to shake up the meta and encourage hordes more (I mean, S - D still hurts, but you're only losing one guy anyway!). That or they realized D-weapons could stand for Destroyer weapons and decided to go with it.

Or they just love buffing Eldar?