Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...

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**AduroT**

Nah, they did the same thing in the first Avengers too, trying to protect people first and get them out of harms way. First fight in this even had the legion deployed to the city to try and get them away, that one just didn't work very well.

**Paradigm**

Elemental wrote:
It's probably something lost to cutting, but I didn't really feel clear on what Ultron's plan actually was. First he wants to save humanity, then he wants to transform humanity (I think?), then he decides to just kill everyone and start over. Maybe that was intentional, given how twitchy and unstable he seemed, like extravagantly rewarding soon-to-be-Klaw, and then ripping his arm off in a fit of pique.

One thing I really liked was the bit near the end about how the fight wasn't about beating the villain, it was proving they were better than him, and the insistence on protecting innocents. Even when fighting the Hulk, Stark was clearly making an effort to save people caught in the destruction and keep the fight away from populated areas. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it's easy to read that as a reaction to Man of Steel's final battle.

I think Ultron was perhaps intentionally erratic in this cut at least, somewhere between man and machine, mind and AI, adult and child, evil and (in a way) innocent. It certainly works like that, deliberate or otherwise, and though I felt James Spader was outperformed by Vision and the Twins, his performance was exceptional in the role. Not quite as good as Loki, Ledger-Joker or Fassbender Magneto, but certainly up there.

Must admit I was expecting some mass casualties and maybe even some failure on the Avengers' part, which would take the place of the 'Stamford Incident' in the MCU Civil War, but instead the body count was surprisingly low, compared to the battle of NY or even the fall of Shield in Cap2. I agree that that was the point in some ways, and fits in nicely with the film's concept, but I'm now wondering how Civil War is going to kick off, especially since Cap and Stark parted on relatively good terms, and the new Avengers (which is actually an awesome lineup!) seeming very much 'official'.

**AduroT**

How many movies are there between now and Civil War?

**nkelsch**

I wonder if they will do some sort of 'what if?' ending to Civil war to prevent damaging the franchise by taking it to its logical conclusion. Yeah a giant "it was all a dream" ending would be a big screw you, but would allow them to take the movie down the darker path, Kill Capt and then return the franchise to status Quo.

**Paradigm**

Just Ant Man... Which I doubt will feature mass civilian death, but you never know!

I'd guess now that Civil War might be started by something these new Avengers muck up at the start,prompting Stark to come back in from the sidelines and bring on the SHRA.

**pities2004**

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**nkelsch**

The movie was fun. Hawkeye is awesome, talk about a well-adjusted super hero... No wonder he gets free guac at Chipolte. Best line in the movie was "I am out here with a bow and arrow, none of this makes sense."

The whole Thor visonquest which is supposedly going to be on the directors cut was seriously missed... but didn't detract from the fun of the movie.

**Hordini**

Saw it tonight. I enjoyed it. I'm not really sure if I like it more or less than Avengers 1 and Guardians of the Galaxy. Probably a little less, but to be honest I'm not that concerned about it. It was enjoyable, and I'll probably watch it again at some point.

I really liked The Vision and was glad that Warmachine and the Hulkbuster suit both got some screen time.

**thedarkavenger**

Elemental wrote:
It's probably something lost to cutting, but I didn't really feel clear on what Ultron's plan actually was. First he wants to save humanity, then he wants to transform humanity (I think?), then he decides to just kill everyone and start over. Maybe that was intentional, given how twitchy and unstable he seemed, like extravagantly rewarding soon-to-be-Klaw, and then ripping his arm off in a fit of pique.

Ultron's plan is, was, and always will be to save humanity by turning them into robotic minions.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Took my daughters to see it yesterday and we enjoyed it, and my younger daughter was especially happy to see "HULK SMASH!"

Overall, I enjoyed it; it was clever, well paced, and the action was spectacular, though I did think it was a little more "serious" than the previous outing (thankfully nowhere near what appears to be the level of "seriousness" of Dawn of Justice). I will probably go see it again sans children (they had to go to the bathroom during the movie and got a little antsy due to the long run time).

Also, I think this was the best line of dialogue in the movie:

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**Crazy_Carnifex**

Hanskrampf wrote:

Also, Ultron was acting like a mastermind half of the time, the other half like a child. Is he like that in the comics?

Are we losing our mind Ultron? Yes we are other Ultron. Yes we are.

**Sigvatr**

thedarkavenger wrote:
Elemental wrote:
It's probably something lost to cutting, but I didn't really feel clear on what Ultron's plan actually was. First he wants to save humanity, then he wants to transform humanity (I think?), then he decides to just kill everyone and start over. Maybe that was intentional, given how twitchy and unstable he seemed, like extravagantly rewarding soon-to-be-Klaw, and then ripping his arm off in a fit of pique.

Ultron's plan is, was, and always will be to save humanity by turning them into robotic minions.

Ultron is The Deceiver, 40k lore confirmed.

**Zathras**

Saw the film tonight and enjoyed it very much. However, one thing that came to me after seeing the end credit scene was....

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**Paradigm**

Zathras wrote:
Saw the film tonight and enjoyed it very much. However, one thing that came to me after seeing the end credit scene was....

Spoiler:

could we see an Avengers/Guardians of the Galaxy team up film in the future? The Avengers have the Mindstone in Vision and the purple Infinity Stone is currently in the possession of the Nova Corps on Xandar Prime thanks to the Guardians and their defeat of Ronan. It's probably not going to happen but, man oh man, it would be cool.

My guess it'll go something like this:

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All random speculation on my part, of course.

**creeping-deth87**

I was majorly disappointed.

Spoiler:

**Sasori**

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
Hanskrampf wrote:

Also, Ultron was acting like a mastermind half of the time, the other half like a child. Is he like that in the comics?

Are we losing our mind Ultron? Yes we are other Ultron. Yes we are.

To Me, this was one of the highlights of the Movie. Ultron made for a really enjoyable character in my book.

**hotsauceman1**

I feel the team ups are the weakest TBH, way to many Char to actually drive development. Action is what they need.
Now. I loved Hawkeyes speech to Scarlet Witch, SO COOL.
Scarlet witch is awesome.
I also felt confused about infinity stones.
1: The Ether
2: Lokis staff
3: Tesseract
4:???? I know one appeared in GOG, but does he know.
I also dont like the new line up, Except Witch.

**-Loki-**

1. Tesseract (Space stone)
2. Scepter (Mind stone)
3. Aether (Reality stone)
4. Orb (Power stone)
5. Soul stone (probably in Doctor Strange)
6. Time stone (probably in either Guardians of the Galaxy 2 or Captain Marvel)

How can you not like War Machine or Falcon? Both have been fantastic, though War Machine keeps getting the short end of the stick in terms of development. Don Cheadle stole that party scene.

**hotsauceman1**

I dont feel they have the force of personality like the main 3(4, maybe hulk)
But I get that, but Thor should only know of 3, Space, Mind, reality. He shouldnt know of the orb.
And as far as I can tell GoG takes place AFTER thor 2, so he wouldnt know that the collector had one.

**-Loki-**

It seems that people in the MCU that know about Infinity stones know there's 6.

Remember that Guardians took place in 2014, going by when his mother died and how many years later he found the Orb. Could be that Ultron takes place significantly long enough after Guardians for word to filter through intergalactic channels to the Asgardians that the Orb was found and contained an Infinity stone.

**hotsauceman1**

But wasnt thor on earth?

**DarkLink**

creeping-deth87 wrote:
I was majorly disappointed.

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There were WAY too many heroes. Four plus Hawkeye and Black Widow as sidekicks definitely seems like the magic number. The original cast plus Scarlet Witch, plus Quicksilver, plus Vision, was serious hero overload. I will say though that my favourite part of the movie was Scarlet Witch making the whole team freak out. I think a lot more could have been done with that, and would have gone a long way to making the movie a lot more personal than the last one. I also feel like a lot more could have been done with the team while they were at the house. I actually really liked that Thor had to leave to figure himself out, and thought it would have been great if they all had to conquer their inner demons on their own before coming back to kick some ass, but instead they just sit around playing house with Hawkeye's family.

Ultron was an incredibly lame villain. I think he would have been great in a standalone Iron Man film, and he would have been a lot more interesting than the villains in the last two Iron Man movies, but he just didn't fit the bill for me for an Avengers movie. He just didn't have his gak together and seemed like he was totally out of his league. The movie was also amazingly anticlimactic. I really got the sense that they were building up for an awesome showdown where Ultron takes them all on at once, but that's not what happens. They just fight his goons, then Scarlet Witch shows up and rips his heart out. So. Dull.

Unfortunately it seems like future installments are going to be piling on even more characters, so it's very unlikely I'll enjoy Infinity War. Ah well, still have X-Men Apocalypse to look forward to.

There are practical reasons they didn't do this. Namely, the movie would be about six hours long. Also, the emphasis on "just playing house with family" is literally the essence of the movie's theme. The whole point of the movie is that everyone wants to retire and live in peace, but the they're not sure if the things they do fighting for that peace makes them monsters, or if they themselves could ever put down the shield and live in peace.

**-Loki-**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
But wasnt thor on earth?

With the ability to teleport to Asgard at will. It's not out of the realm of possibility that someone has been keeping him updated with Asgardian and galactic news.

**Ahtman**

I didn't watch any promo past the initial teaser released on M:AoS so I had no expectations going in. Overall I had a really good time but you could tell it was edited from a much longer film. I would still recommend it with the caveat that one can tell they edited out a bunch of stuff.

Apparently the first cut was 3.5 hours, the Blu Ray will be 3 hours, and the theatrical version is 2 hours and around twenty minutes or so. Considering the Disney Cash Grab™ they will release the Blu-Ray soon (Ant-Man time probably) then maybe around Christmas release the unedited version.

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**BrotherGecko**

I have to admit I didn't expect end up feeling slightly sad for the character Ultron. Maybe it was just the wierd childlike nature to him mixed with the Pinocchio aspect I think played to great effect.

The movie did feel chopped up. Some how because of the good faith that has been built up so far I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt. When I buy the unedited version at a later date I think a solid movie will be greatly enhanced.

**angelofvengeance**

I saw it yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm a bit peed off that they cut and edited so much of it though. I could happily sit for 3hrs of Avengers.
Ultron was awesome though and his way of wanting to "save" the world was unexpected as he usually goes about it a different way.
It'll be interesting to watch Agents of SHIELD and Ant Man in a post Ultron setting.

**Elemental**

thedarkavenger wrote:
Elemental wrote:
It's probably something lost to cutting, but I didn't really feel clear on what Ultron's plan actually was. First he wants to save humanity, then he wants to transform humanity (I think?), then he decides to just kill everyone and start over. Maybe that was intentional, given how twitchy and unstable he seemed, like extravagantly rewarding soon-to-be-Klaw, and then ripping his arm off in a fit of pique.

Ultron's plan is, was, and always will be to save humanity by turning them into robotic minions.

But at the end, he seems to have given up on that part of the plan, skipping straight to "rocks fall, everyone dies". Though it is quite fun to imagine him looking over the wreckage of Earth after succeeding and then going "Aw, damn it, I knew there was something I meant to do first!"

**H.B.M.C.**

My biggest issue with the film remains just how rushed it was. I mean, there's pacing a film with a lot of cut scenes, then there's a movie which is obviously mission its connective tissue (Ultron escapes on the Internet... and then is in Sokovia with that new body... eh? What happened in between?).

The overly-rapid also meant that we didn't get much Vision. I know for a fact that the Vision/Thor fight was longer when it was shot, and there are parts in the trailer (be they lines or shots) that just aren't in the final movie.

I looking forward to seeing a restored/completed version.

**dereksatkinson**

Pure speculation here...

I wouldn't be surprised if the Quicksilver storyline plays in as motivation for Scarlet Witch to use an infinity stone.

**Kanluwen**

I enjoyed it. I liked Hawkeye getting as much screen time as he did.

I also enjoyed Vision's introduction, and Thor just going along with it once Vision handed him Mjolnir.