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ImAGeek wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
. Or the convenience of having 10 shoulder pads with chapter symbol on it.

Forgeworld escaped your notice?

The upgrade sprue is cheaper than 10 shoulder pads from FW and you get more bits too, in fairness.

True, but how many duplicate helmets/heads and torsos are you going to want? I know that sort of thing drives me nuts with my own army and I'm always trying to make the generic bits slightly unique for each marine. The Mk VII ones, fair enough (you can snip the crest off one of them to keep it generic I guess), but the bearded head and the crusader helm? They're pretty distinct and I can't envision using more than one in an army.

Crazyterran wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
. Or the convenience of having 10 shoulder pads with chapter symbol on it.

Forgeworld escaped your notice?

Jolly ol Britain costs about double to buy directly from, and I'd only ever feel the urge to pick up the forge world pads if I ever decide to commit to making a legion era force.

Would have been more smarmy to point at the fine cast ultramarine pads that gw used to make. Nice try, though. Better luck next time.

Also, these pads are better looking than the plain legion ones, the ultramarines symbol looks better on these plastic ones, and have more decorations. More characterful overall, as well. And they come with three helmets, a chest plate, and two swords.

Middle line a totally unnecessary response to a genuine question; lots of people don't always remember the full extent of Forgeworld's lines or miss a release here and there so I was merely asking if it had escaped your attention that FW do Ultra pads. The rest of it's fair enough and explains why these area better option for you. Ike I said above, though, duplication of some of the more unique bits by buying mulitple sprues would drive me nuts.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I wonder if codex space marines are going to get eviscerators now as a war gear option. Obviously the assault sergeant will be able to buy one, at least.

Which I honestly find infuriating.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I wonder if codex space marines are going to get eviscerators now as a war gear option. Obviously the assault sergeant will be able to buy one, at least.

Which I honestly find infuriating.

Why?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Upgrade sprues

That head....


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I wonder now, if we'll be seeing new vanilla terminators? God knows they need a bit of TLC (as well as the Command Squad and Devastators.)

@Wilson: Funny, though I'm not seeing it myself.

The Space Marine Codex is also gone from the EU site, along with the Devastators

I'm guessing the Devs are getting a scenic base as well as some bling'd up heavy weapons and a Signum.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
That is a very nice kit for assault squads. Kinda too bad I don't need any more ASM any time soon. Hopefully the Dev kit will be just as full of options.

I need more ASM like I need more tacticals or a root canal :( I think all together, I have 7 or 8 Death Company sets (4 of them from Deathstorm) and a few Sanguinary Guard. But, I'm getting 2 boxes, and trading for 10 more leg pairs, lol. It was those posable legs that got me :X

The last assault marines I painted was maybe10 years ago, though, so I guess it's time to do up some new ones

Are the legs actually poseable? I'm pretty sure they're one pose, just in two parts. Looks like they pair up as opposed to being interchangeable.

I actually really like the upgrade sprues now I've seen the parts better, but BA, SW and even DA didn't really need them, I'd rather have seen RG, IH, WS etc.

It says in WD, "Highly posable" so I think so

 Talys wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
That is a very nice kit for assault squads. Kinda too bad I don't need any more ASM any time soon. Hopefully the Dev kit will be just as full of options.

I need more ASM like I need more tacticals or a root canal :( I think all together, I have 7 or 8 Death Company sets (4 of them from Deathstorm) and a few Sanguinary Guard. But, I'm getting 2 boxes, and trading for 10 more leg pairs, lol. It was those posable legs that got me :X

The last assault marines I painted was maybe10 years ago, though, so I guess it's time to do up some new ones

Are the legs actually poseable? I'm pretty sure they're one pose, just in two parts. Looks like they pair up as opposed to being interchangeable.

I actually really like the upgrade sprues now I've seen the parts better, but BA, SW and even DA didn't really need them, I'd rather have seen RG, IH, WS etc.

It says in WD, "Highly posable" so I think so

Specifically about the legs?

 sockwithaticket wrote:
That Space Wolf head is exactly what superhuman space vikings should look like. Puts most of the existing heads with their bizarre, 1980's post-apocalyptic hair to shame. That whole upgrade pack, is clearly the best of the 4.

I guess it's better than most existing SW heads (which is hardly saying much since they are all more or less hideous IMO) but i think this one looks rather silly as well.

My first though seeing it was Joe Dirt:


Anyways, while I understand that the historically well-supplied chapters get more stuff since there is a bigger market for them (although that's a self fullfilling prophesy). I'm not sure it even makes financial sense to put out even more uppgrade sprues for the chapters that already have their own kits for everything, or most of everything.

What SW or BA player doesn't already have piles of extra shoulderpads and torso-fronts lying around? I guess they might buy a sprue for extra variety but mor than that?

Meanwhile, starting a RavenGuard or Iron hand army would be substantially easier if they had gotten upgrade sprues. I wonder it they wouldn't sell better despite a smaller initial market.

@Zywus: Iron Hands already have an upgrade kit-it's in resin, but not bad for £11 IMO.

Zywus wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
That Space Wolf head is exactly what superhuman space vikings should look like. Puts most of the existing heads with their bizarre, 1980's post-apocalyptic hair to shame. That whole upgrade pack, is clearly the best of the 4.

I guess it's better than most existing SW heads (which is hardly saying much since they are all more or less hideous IMO) but i think this one looks rather silly as well.

My first though seeing it was Joe Dirt:


Anyways, while I understand that the historically well-supplied chapters get more stuff since there is a bigger market for them (although that's a self fullfilling prophesy). I'm not sure it even makes financial sense to put out even more uppgrade sprues for the chapters that already have their own kits for everything, or most of everything.

What SW or BA player doesn't already have piles of extra shoulderpads and torso-fronts lying around? I guess they might buy a sprue for extra variety but mor than that?

Meanwhile, starting a RavenGuard or Iron hand army would be substantially easier if they had gotten upgrade sprues. I wonder it they wouldn't sell better despite a smaller initial market.

Yeah, in fairness it is a bit mullet-y; maybe my praise is a touch over the top, but the difference between that and what currently exists is phenomenal imo.

Re: your last point, I think GW have filed most of the other first founding chapters under 'niche' and are happy to allow FW to cater to those players with their HH line (disregarding completely, of course, things like the exhorbitant costs if you place an order from outside the EU that isn't sufficiently large to warrant free shipping and/or customs charges, the varying degrees of awareness in the player-base about the extent of FW's product lines, players' strong preference for plastic over resin, etc.),

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I wonder if codex space marines are going to get eviscerators now as a war gear option. Obviously the assault sergeant will be able to buy one, at least.

Which I honestly find infuriating.

Why?

Because it is yet one more thing that is taken from Sisters to be given to marines, when the imbalance is already that big!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Sire122 wrote:
Looked at the new price for assault marines. Died. Wow, how can GW keep charging these ridicules prices in Australia?

Do we know what the US and UK prices are? This is not just a case of "keep charging", they've raised it massively. I wonder if the US and UK have had similar massive price hikes.

$40 USD/25GBP.

I also wonder if they'll drop the current Skyclaw box with the idea of people buying the Assault Marine box + SW upgrade sprue.

Skyclaw box is still up, as of now.

My understanding is that it's a Space Wolves Pack box with Space Marine Jump Packs thrown in.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I wonder if codex space marines are going to get eviscerators now as a war gear option. Obviously the assault sergeant will be able to buy one, at least.

Which I honestly find infuriating.

Why?

Because it is yet one more thing that is taken from Sisters to be given to marines, when the imbalance is already that big!

Because only Sisters would ever use a whomping huge chainsword, right?

 Kanluwen wrote:
My understanding is that it's a Space Wolves Pack box with Space Marine Jump Packs thrown in.

The old Assault Marine kit was broken in to 3 sprues, one of which had the torsos and jump packs (all the arms, shoulder pads, legs, etc were on the other 2 sprues.

The Skyclaws are 1 sprue from the regular SW kit (enough to make 5 regular Space Wolves) with that torso and jump pack sprue thrown in. That's why I wonder if they'll go away soon, as I don't imagine GW want to be producing an extra jump pack/torso sprue if they don't have to.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Sire122 wrote:
Looked at the new price for assault marines. Died. Wow, how can GW keep charging these ridicules prices in Australia?

Do we know what the US and UK prices are? This is not just a case of "keep charging", they've raised it massively. I wonder if the US and UK have had similar massive price hikes.

$40 USD/25GBP.

How does that compare to the old pricing?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
My understanding is that it's a Space Wolves Pack box with Space Marine Jump Packs thrown in.

The old Assault Marine kit was broken in to 3 sprues, one of which had the torsos and jump packs (all the arms, shoulder pads, legs, etc were on the other 2 sprues.

The Skyclaws are 1 sprue from the regular SW kit (enough to make 5 regular Space Wolves) with that torso and jump pack sprue thrown in. That's why I wonder if they'll go away soon, as I don't imagine GW want to be producing an extra jump pack/torso sprue if they don't have to.

Gotcha.

Not a Space Wolves player and they give no sprue breakdowns; hence why I said "my understanding".

 Kanluwen wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Sire122 wrote:
Looked at the new price for assault marines. Died. Wow, how can GW keep charging these ridicules prices in Australia?

Do we know what the US and UK prices are? This is not just a case of "keep charging", they've raised it massively. I wonder if the US and UK have had similar massive price hikes.

$40 USD/25GBP.

How does that compare to the old pricing?

Not actually sure.

I think the old was $35 USD; so that would be a $5 increase.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
That Space Wolf head is exactly what superhuman space vikings should look like. Puts most of the existing heads with their bizarre, 1980's post-apocalyptic hair to shame. That whole upgrade pack, is clearly the best of the 4.

I think the head looks pretty terrible actually. The only plastic SW heads GW have produced that I think look half decent are a few (but not all) of the Thunderwolf Cavalry ones and only 1 of the heads from the regular GH/BC sprue (the pack leader in this image: http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120101078_GreyHuntersNEW01.jpg).

The rest of the plastic SW heads all look awful IMO and this one isn't much of an improvement. It's why almost all my Space Wolves are wearing helmets... not because I don't like beards, but because GW rarely ever do good plastic heads for SW's.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
. Or the convenience of having 10 shoulder pads with chapter symbol on it.

Forgeworld escaped your notice?

The upgrade sprue is cheaper than 10 shoulder pads from FW and you get more bits too, in fairness.

True, but how many duplicate helmets/heads and torsos are you going to want? I know that sort of thing drives me nuts with my own army and I'm always trying to make the generic bits slightly unique for each marine. The Mk VII ones, fair enough (you can snip the crest off one of them to keep it generic I guess), but the bearded head and the crusader helm? They're pretty distinct and I can't envision using more than one in an army.

Crazyterran wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
. Or the convenience of having 10 shoulder pads with chapter symbol on it.

Forgeworld escaped your notice?

Jolly ol Britain costs about double to buy directly from, and I'd only ever feel the urge to pick up the forge world pads if I ever decide to commit to making a legion era force.

Would have been more smarmy to point at the fine cast ultramarine pads that gw used to make. Nice try, though. Better luck next time.

Also, these pads are better looking than the plain legion ones, the ultramarines symbol looks better on these plastic ones, and have more decorations. More characterful overall, as well. And they come with three helmets, a chest plate, and two swords.

Middle line a totally unnecessary response to a genuine question; lots of people don't always remember the full extent of Forgeworld's lines or miss a release here and there so I was merely asking if it had escaped your attention that FW do Ultra pads. The rest of it's fair enough and explains why these area better option for you. Ike I said above, though, duplication of some of the more unique bits by buying mulitple sprues would drive me nuts.

Yes, the captain helmet might get traded away, or used for captains of other companies. The bare head will be traded away, as all of my ultramarines wear helmets (except maybe special characters, because it's easier to tell them apart that way).

The rest of it, though, is all good for duplication, especially spread throughout a few squads.

 Kanluwen wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
My understanding is that it's a Space Wolves Pack box with Space Marine Jump Packs thrown in.

The old Assault Marine kit was broken in to 3 sprues, one of which had the torsos and jump packs (all the arms, shoulder pads, legs, etc were on the other 2 sprues.

The Skyclaws are 1 sprue from the regular SW kit (enough to make 5 regular Space Wolves) with that torso and jump pack sprue thrown in. That's why I wonder if they'll go away soon, as I don't imagine GW want to be producing an extra jump pack/torso sprue if they don't have to.

Gotcha.

Not a Space Wolves player and they give no sprue breakdowns; hence why I said "my understanding".

 Kanluwen wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Sire122 wrote:
Looked at the new price for assault marines. Died. Wow, how can GW keep charging these ridicules prices in Australia?

Do we know what the US and UK prices are? This is not just a case of "keep charging", they've raised it massively. I wonder if the US and UK have had similar massive price hikes.

$40 USD/25GBP.

How does that compare to the old pricing?

Not actually sure.

I think the old was $35 USD; so that would be a $5 increase.

Old one was $55, new one is $70 here in Aus. I don't understand..

The Ultramarine sprue is ok, but that's my Ultramarine bias coming out. The Dark Angel sprue is laughable. The Wolf one is... well, the weapons are nice, but its unnecessary given how good the existing Wolf kit is. The Blood Angel one is really pretty, and the hand-held chalice is ace (I'll want a couple of them for my Deathwatch). Still, like the DA and SW one, it doesn't need to exist.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I wonder if codex space marines are going to get eviscerators now as a war gear option. Obviously the assault sergeant will be able to buy one, at least.

Which I honestly find infuriating.

Why?

Hybrid is a Sisters player.

Sisters players don't like it when



I left the end of that sentence blank for a reason. You can finish it with literally anything and it'll be true.

I am thrilled the jump marines are being updated, I use that term loosely.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
@Zywus: Iron Hands already have an upgrade kit-it's in resin, but not bad for £11 IMO.

Oh, I didn't think they still sold that one. Still, replace Iron hands with Salamanders and the point still stands.

I really wonder if BA, DA, and SW players will really buy many of these as they already get chapter specific pads and bits by the bucket in their excisting kits. (Especially BA and SW).

Uppgrade kits for the minor 1st founding chapters would have presumably sold lots to the (admittedly fewer) collectors of those chapters and more importantly would lower the inertia of starting them in the first place.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Ultramarine sprue is ok, but that's my Ultramarine bias coming out. The Dark Angel sprue is laughable. The Wolf one is... well, the weapons are nice, but its unnecessary given how good the existing Wolf kit is. The Blood Angel one is really pretty, and the hand-held chalice is ace (I'll want a couple of them for my Deathwatch). Still, like the DA and SW one, it doesn't need to exist.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I wonder if codex space marines are going to get eviscerators now as a war gear option. Obviously the assault sergeant will be able to buy one, at least.

Which I honestly find infuriating.

Why?

Hybrid is a Sisters player.

Sisters players don't like it when



I left the end of that sentence blank for a reason. You can finish it with literally anything and it'll be true.

Not to put words in Hybrid's mouth, but its just one more unique aspect of the codex that they lost to another group. If GW is ver expects Sisters to sell or ever want them to sell well maybe they can leave them their unique identity.

Zywus wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
@Zywus: Iron Hands already have an upgrade kit-it's in resin, but not bad for £11 IMO.

Oh, I didn't think they still sold that one. Still, replace Iron hands with Salamanders and the point still stands.

I really wonder if BA, DA, and SW players will really buy many of these as they already get chapter specific pads and bits by the bucket in their excisting kits. (Especially BA and SW).

Uppgrade kits for the minor 1st founding chapters would have presumably sold lots to the (admittedly fewer) collectors of those chapters and more importantly would lower the inertia of starting them in the first place.

What's interesting is that the shoulderpads aren't just "generic Chapter" shoulderpads in the case of Space Wolves. It's specific to Ragnar Blackmane's Great Company.




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 andrewm9 wrote:

Not to put words in Hybrid's mouth, but its just one more unique aspect of the codex that they lost to another group. If GW is ver expects Sisters to sell or ever want them to sell well maybe they can leave them their unique identity.

The issue from that is Eviscerators were never "Sisters exclusive". Priests in the Guard books had access to them and Henchmen in the Daemon/Witch Hunter books had access to them. Not to mention Gabriel Seth of the Flesh Tearers having been mentioned for a long time as wielding an Eviscerator.

To pretend that they were somehow integrally tied to the "Holy Trinity"(Bolter, Flamer, Melta) of the Adepta Sororitas is silly. It's a mountain out of a molehill.

I didn't see anything about this in the thread already(so if this is repeat just ignore), but on the GW site Vanguard Vets are now under fast attack.

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 andrewm9 wrote:

Not to put words in Hybrid's mouth, but its just one more unique aspect of the codex that they lost to another group. If GW is ver expects Sisters to sell or ever want them to sell well maybe they can leave them their unique identity.

The issue from that is Eviscerators were never "Sisters exclusive". Priests in the Guard books had access to them and Henchmen in the Daemon/Witch Hunter books had access to them. Not to mention Gabriel Seth of the Flesh Tearers having been mentioned for a long time as wielding an Eviscerator.

To pretend that they were somehow integrally tied to the "Holy Trinity"(Bolter, Flamer, Melta) of the Adepta Sororitas is silly. It's a mountain out of a molehill.

 andrewm9 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

 andrewm9 wrote:

Not to put words in Hybrid's mouth, but its just one more unique aspect of the codex that they lost to another group. If GW is ver expects Sisters to sell or ever want them to sell well maybe they can leave them their unique identity.

The issue from that is Eviscerators were never "Sisters exclusive". Priests in the Guard books had access to them and Henchmen in the Daemon/Witch Hunter books had access to them. Not to mention Gabriel Seth of the Flesh Tearers having been mentioned for a long time as wielding an Eviscerator.

To pretend that they were somehow integrally tied to the "Holy Trinity"(Bolter, Flamer, Melta) of the Adepta Sororitas is silly. It's a mountain out of a molehill.

You are right, but at least with the priests they are Ecclesiarchy. Seth is just crazy . Seriously characters can be exceptions just like Dante used to have the only inferno pistol.

Henchmen weren't necessarily Priests with the Ecclesiarchy.

Honestly, I can't see the hubbub as to Eviscerators being "Sisters Only No Boys Allowed!". There's no complaints about the Striking Scorpion Exarch having an Eviscerator in all but name, but other Imperial factions having them results in sour grapes?

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ADrunknPirate wrote:
I didn't see anything about this in the thread already(so if this is repeat just ignore), but on the GW site Vanguard Vets are now under fast attack.

I notice ced that too and its not isolated to one nation. Could be a mistake or it could be deliberate. I guess a new codex would settle that.

And the "Choose your Chapter" under the featured products on the right side of the page. Apparently buying tactical marines is the only way to choose a chapter.

The GW app is updated. Next WD will feature the new assault marines.

ADrunknPirate wrote:
I didn't see anything about this in the thread already(so if this is repeat just ignore), but on the GW site Vanguard Vets are now under fast attack.

Been like that way before first rumors of 7th ed. SM.

Also, don't think GW have changed that due to eventual changes in codex because the Land Speeder Storm is still in Fast Attack and it got moved to Dedicated transport when 6th ed. SM came out...