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 Swastakowey wrote:
When the Imperial Guard was being released the thread was over 100 pages long. Is interest in the releases getting smaller or is it because if how things are being released?

Funny, people over on B&C are complaining as well. Strange times...

 Timotheus wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
When the Imperial Guard was being released the thread was over 100 pages long. Is interest in the releases getting smaller or is it because if how things are being released?

Funny, people over on B&C are complaining as well. Strange times...

i see what you did there

spartiatis wrote:
Perhaps because we have no rules leaks so far and there are no new - new units released

Indeed. With eldar, skitarii, cult, etc. You had a lot of rules leaks. Here, nada. You can only rumormonger so far with a pic of a chaplain and Libby!

They never manage to do a good job on the TDA librarian. They seem to get worse with every iteration. My favourite is still probably...

Maybe very few rules changed. Just some formations and DTs going into FA and HS slots as well.

Mavnas wrote:
Maybe very few rules changed. Just some formations and DTs going into FA and HS slots as well.

Well we know, at least, that assault marines get eviscerators, and devastator squads get grav cannons

If you can get 4x grav cannon in a devastator squad, and it were 3/5 or 4/6 (the new on in Mechanicus) that would be something neat. Especially since it appears there is a grav amp in the model. Though you would have to buy 4 boxes of devs...

On the bright side, you could have 8 more marines with las canons!

 Smacks wrote:
They never manage to do a good job on the TDA librarian. They seem to get worse with every iteration. My favourite is still probably...

Spoiler:

My favorite as well. I just don't like the bare-headed libby. They'd be smarter than that.

The Emperor protects! Only a heretics wear helmets.

It mainly annoys me that all they seem to give the new one's are staffs (bar the blood angels). It's too much wizard and not enough stimmed up space badass with psychic powers. I know force sword are useless pretty much due to AP3, but still, they look better. And force halberds look totally badass like in that older librarian.

I think it would have been cooler if they had given this Librarian a Force Sword instead of a Force Staff. The PA Librarian has a staff, the BA Librarian has an axe, this once could have had a sword.

Also, if the DA stuff isn't too hard to get off of that Chaplain, I may pick him up. As of right now, my list of stuff to get is just some bikes for Grav-bikers, two Dev Squads to fill up my existing Devs (to make a total of three squads), a couple BA upgrade kits (and...LOTS if they do an Imperial/Crimson Fists one) and the codex. Not an overly expensive codex switch. I was only borrowing the 6E C:SM from a friend, so the new codex doesn't kill me.

 Talys wrote:

Mavnas wrote:
Maybe very few rules changed. Just some formations and DTs going into FA and HS slots as well.

Well we know, at least, that assault marines get eviscerators, and devastator squads get grav cannons

If you can get 4x grav cannon in a devastator squad, and it were 3/5 or 4/6 (the new on in Mechanicus) that would be something neat. Especially since it appears there is a grav amp in the model. Though you would have to buy 4 boxes of devs...

On the bright side, you could have 8 more marines with las canons!

Why 4? Hasn't it already been confirmed that you get 2 of each weapon in the Box already?

Locrian wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Mavnas wrote:
Maybe very few rules changed. Just some formations and DTs going into FA and HS slots as well.

Well we know, at least, that assault marines get eviscerators, and devastator squads get grav cannons

If you can get 4x grav cannon in a devastator squad, and it were 3/5 or 4/6 (the new on in Mechanicus) that would be something neat. Especially since it appears there is a grav amp in the model. Though you would have to buy 4 boxes of devs...

On the bright side, you could have 8 more marines with las canons!

Why 4? Hasn't it already been confirmed that you get 2 of each weapon in the Box already?

I think Talys is assuming that there is only one Grav Cannon in each box. Hopefully we get two, not one.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Locrian wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Mavnas wrote:
Maybe very few rules changed. Just some formations and DTs going into FA and HS slots as well.

Well we know, at least, that assault marines get eviscerators, and devastator squads get grav cannons

If you can get 4x grav cannon in a devastator squad, and it were 3/5 or 4/6 (the new on in Mechanicus) that would be something neat. Especially since it appears there is a grav amp in the model. Though you would have to buy 4 boxes of devs...

On the bright side, you could have 8 more marines with las canons!

Why 4? Hasn't it already been confirmed that you get 2 of each weapon in the Box already?

I think Talys is assuming that there is only one Grav Cannon in each box. Hopefully we get two, not one.

Ah, I thought someone stated earlier in the thread that the White Dwarf states you get 2 of each weapon in the Dev box. Sure hope so.

Someone confirmed that thee. White dwarf said two of each

Eh, the alpha strike potential seems pretty gnarly for the drop gravs, but the sustainability and durability of the centurions, especially when given the mobility of draigo, a bunker, or something else, means I don't know if Grav Devs will replace centurions as the Murder machine of choice.

Course, two dev squads will put out 24 shots the turn they land... For 370 points, where as a missile Grav centurion squad costs 380.

Leth wrote:Someone confirmed that thee. White dwarf said two of each

Oh okay Thanks. I never saw the bit confirming 2 grav cannons. I wonder what I'll do with all the other devastator bits, after I build 4 grav + 1 sergeant. The legs do look pretty cool.

Crazyterran wrote:Eh, the alpha strike potential seems pretty gnarly for the drop gravs, but the sustainability and durability of the centurions, especially when given the mobility of draigo, a bunker, or something else, means I don't know if Grav Devs will replace centurions as the Murder machine of choice.

Course, two dev squads will put out 24 shots the turn they land... For 370 points, where as a missile Grav centurion squad costs 380.

Yep, I said the same thing. Although we can't quite be sure on the points until we see the list. 5 point per model upgrade!

With the invisible centstar, you get relentless, too. Every round you can pretty much take out multiple other units, it's very durable, can't be hit by blast/templates, and all that kind of thing. But of course Draigo makes it pricier, and if you want assured destruction you might take an extra centurion.

 Talys wrote:

Leth wrote:Someone confirmed that thee. White dwarf said two of each

Oh okay Thanks. I never saw the bit confirming 2 grav cannons. I wonder what I'll do with all the other devastator bits, after I build 4 grav + 1 sergeant. The legs do look pretty cool.

Crazyterran wrote:Eh, the alpha strike potential seems pretty gnarly for the drop gravs, but the sustainability and durability of the centurions, especially when given the mobility of draigo, a bunker, or something else, means I don't know if Grav Devs will replace centurions as the Murder machine of choice.

Course, two dev squads will put out 24 shots the turn they land... For 370 points, where as a missile Grav centurion squad costs 380.

Yep, I said the same thing. Although we can't quite be sure on the points until we see the list. 5 point per model upgrade!

With the invisible centstar, you get relentless, too. Every round you can pretty much take out multiple other units, it's very durable, can't be hit by blast/templates, and all that kind of thing. But of course Draigo makes it pricier, and if you want assured destruction you might take an extra centurion.

I plan to magnetize the dev kit so I have 4 marines ready to go that I can supplement as necessary

 Talys wrote:

Leth wrote:Someone confirmed that thee. White dwarf said two of each

Oh okay Thanks. I never saw the bit confirming 2 grav cannons. I wonder what I'll do with all the other devastator bits, after I build 4 grav + 1 sergeant. The legs do look pretty cool.

Crazyterran wrote:Eh, the alpha strike potential seems pretty gnarly for the drop gravs, but the sustainability and durability of the centurions, especially when given the mobility of draigo, a bunker, or something else, means I don't know if Grav Devs will replace centurions as the Murder machine of choice.

Course, two dev squads will put out 24 shots the turn they land... For 370 points, where as a missile Grav centurion squad costs 380.

Yep, I said the same thing. Although we can't quite be sure on the points until we see the list. 5 point per model upgrade!

With the invisible centstar, you get relentless, too. Every round you can pretty much take out multiple other units, it's very durable, can't be hit by blast/templates, and all that kind of thing. But of course Draigo makes it pricier, and if you want assured destruction you might take an extra centurion.

The Grav cannon and amp is 20pts on a centurion, which is the same as a twin linked lascannon on a centurion. I'm just guessing they will be similarly priced for devastators. Especially since a normal lascannon is currently 20pts on a standard devastator....

Sure, draigo is pricy, but he does so much for you for that price, especially if he is not your warlord. Melee beat stick, gate of infinity bus, wound absorber, deterrent....

@Crazyterran -- I certainly will not dispute that Kaldor Draigo is one of the best characters in the game, and the perfect CentStar companion

Speaking of which, I wonder when Grey Knights will get an upgrade sprue! Those would be really nice bits.

 Talys wrote:
@Crazyterran -- I certainly will not dispute that Kaldor Draigo is one of the best characters in the game, and the perfect CentStar companion

Speaking of which, I wonder when Grey Knights will get an upgrade sprue! Those would be really nice bits.

It's not like they need them! I don't think there's any bits in their range that aren't bling'd up lol.

 Talys wrote:
@Crazyterran -- I certainly will not dispute that Kaldor Draigo is one of the best characters in the game, and the perfect CentStar companion

Speaking of which, I wonder when Grey Knights will get an upgrade sprue! Those would be really nice bits.

I'm currently using smashfether as my cent star companion as I build my Grey Knights. Draigo is just so much better, and you can get a second level 3 librarian to pal around with them (the first being tigurius or seth).

Hopefully they new book points price drops centurions. Clearly over priced, Imo! :p

Edit: don't grey knight boxes already come with a bunch of shoulder pads to upgrade your infantry with the grey knight chapter symbol? An upgrade kit for dreadnoughts, on the other hand...

 Crazyterran wrote:


Edit: don't grey knight boxes already come with a bunch of shoulder pads to upgrade your infantry with the grey knight chapter symbol? An upgrade kit for dreadnoughts, on the other hand...

Sure thing, but no different than wolves or blood Angels -- the upgrade spruce has some new, really unique pieces, some of which might be used to kit bash a custom character out of normal parts, or to create some really spiffy squad leaders!

Unless there's an easy way for Devs to get relentless/s&p, I don't see them being better than Centurions in pods. Probably not even close to how good Skitarii pod alpha is either

jSewell wrote:
Unless there's an easy way for Devs to get relentless/s&p, I don't see them being better than Centurions in pods. Probably not even close to how good Skitarii pod alpha is either

Well, Centurions are a lot more expensive in pointcost and can't fire overwatch, as a mayor difference. And if the rumour that Droppods are ruled to no longer be able to carry Bulky models turns out the be true, no more centurions in drop pods.

 Redemption wrote:

jSewell wrote:
Unless there's an easy way for Devs to get relentless/s&p, I don't see them being better than Centurions in pods. Probably not even close to how good Skitarii pod alpha is either

Well, Centurions are a lot more expensive in pointcost and can't fire overwatch, as a mayor difference. And if the rumour that Droppods are ruled to no longer be able to carry Bulky models turns out the be true, no more centurions in drop pods.

Sounds like malarkey. Until next week, believe no rumours about the contents of the codex.

Blood angel pods came out after space wolf, and they can carrying bulky models. No reason why marine ones wouldn't

 Redemption wrote:

jSewell wrote:
Unless there's an easy way for Devs to get relentless/s&p, I don't see them being better than Centurions in pods. Probably not even close to how good Skitarii pod alpha is either

Well, Centurions are a lot more expensive in pointcost and can't fire overwatch, as a mayor difference. And if the rumour that Droppods are ruled to no longer be able to carry Bulky models turns out the be true, no more centurions in drop pods.

I can't see the drop pod change happening, as it will take drop pods away from space wolves terminators, which removes a fluffy option for space wolves

Aren't Centurions "Very Bulky", not "Bulky"?

I could see Drop Pods not being able to carry more than one "Very Bulky" model.

Having to be within 12" of their target the turn they drop and every turn there after if they decide to move is pretty meh since they'll also be shooting less shots. So more range, Not to mention the chest weapon options on the Cents and better survivability. You'll just have to see what works for you and go with it, but I don't see grab devs being the end-all, especially without relentless or the likes

Sounds like anti marine wish listing.

It would be nice for the "classic" SM player in me to not need all these "unholy alliances" to get a similar Draigo-Cent combo happening straight out of the new codex. It would be nice not to need a named smurf marine librarian to make it work either.
It would be nice to be able to take a "normal" marine codex and stick allies in drop pods if that is the future of mixing and matching.