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Quite disappointing ..
Still no meltaguns and it costs more to take them without jump packs and pay for the transport..
The only good thing is that eviscerators are hidden

I'd almost rather throw them in a pod with the hidden eviscerators than run them up with jump packs. Costs as much as a land raider, though. 245 on jet packs for my previously mentioned squad, 250 with a pod...

 Crazyterran wrote:
I can have two flamers and two eviscerators? That's pretty awesome. Costs 215 for two flamers, two eviscerators, and a power weapon for the sergeant. Ten man strong, of course.
225 if you make the sergeant a veteran. Two hidden power fists aren't bad...

As for making your own blood angel strike force... If your group is fine with you making up your own rules, do what you want. I wouldn't play against it, but I'm not in your group.

Edit: wait, the assault marines cost as much as tacticals now? Maybe tacticals a are getting a price drop...

Edit 2: just saw you have to pay for the jump packs. Slightly less awesome. i was seriously considering taking assault marines for a minute...

Unfortunately tacs do not seem to get a price drop.
Assault are listed 14 pts per model as they have no jump pack and you pay extra 3 pts for each.
Same costs as the old codex (bar the free transport)

Combat-squadding 10-man unit in a pod, with 2 flamers, 1 combi-melta + fist or claw, and 2 eviscerators, gets you some pretty versatile, hard-hitting stuff, especially if you can make the whole thing obsec. Expensive, mind.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Combat-squadding 10-man unit in a pod, with 2 flamers, 1 combi-melta + fist or claw, and 2 eviscerators, gets you some pretty versatile, hard-hitting stuff, especially if you can make the whole thing obsec. Expensive, mind.

No combi melta, since the sergeant can only take items from the melee weapons list.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Combat-squadding 10-man unit in a pod, with 2 flamers, 1 combi-melta + fist or claw, and 2 eviscerators, gets you some pretty versatile, hard-hitting stuff, especially if you can make the whole thing obsec. Expensive, mind.

No combi melta, since the sergeant can only take items from the melee weapons list.

Another thing the BA Assault Squads have over C:SM Assault Squads. Not much reason to take these guys over a squad of bikes, that's for sure.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Combat-squadding 10-man unit in a pod, with 2 flamers, 1 combi-melta + fist or claw, and 2 eviscerators, gets you some pretty versatile, hard-hitting stuff, especially if you can make the whole thing obsec. Expensive, mind.

No combi melta, since the sergeant can only take items from the melee weapons list.

Another thing the BA Assault Squads have over C:SM Assault Squads.

Right... And you can take them in a gladius strike-

Oh wait.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Combat-squadding 10-man unit in a pod, with 2 flamers, 1 combi-melta + fist or claw, and 2 eviscerators, gets you some pretty versatile, hard-hitting stuff, especially if you can make the whole thing obsec. Expensive, mind.

No combi melta, since the sergeant can only take items from the melee weapons list.

Another thing the BA Assault Squads have over C:SM Assault Squads.

Right... And you can take them in a gladius strike-

Oh wait.

Meh, for all we know, you HAVE to take a squad of Assault Marines in the GSF. No thanks, you can keep your strictly inferior version of the Assault Squads, my C:SM FA slots will be filled with bikes.

Whoa, they increased the points cost. They're 70 points now (down from 85) but they lost jump packs / free drop pod.

If you want a drop pod now, it will cost you 70 + pod (assuming 35) = 105. Or back to 85 points with packs.

Edit: oh, I was on the wrong page, just saw this refreshing the prev. page :(


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Meh, for all we know, you HAVE to take a squad of Assault Marines in the GSF. No thanks, you can keep your strictly inferior version of the Assault Squads, my C:SM FA slots will be filled with bikes.

I doubt that. It says GSF is very versatile, and Decurion-style force has been thus far quite flexible in that respect. I must agree though, these ASM suck. Use the models to make pretty Blood Angels ASM, which can get tri melta and a pod for cheaper, now. Use Eviscerator for uhhh.... a kitbash Gabriel Seth

The kit itself is quite nice, I think, the rules to back them up are what suck. It comes with enough parts for every option the squad has, and that is pretty unique among GW products. If I didn't already have more Assault Squads than I need, I would probably get one.

Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised if I saw the Eviscerator in the Melee Weapons list, allowing more than just one random Assault Squad marine to take one.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The kit itself is quite nice, I think, the rules to back them up are what suck. It comes with enough parts for every option the squad has, and that is pretty unique among GW products. If I didn't already have more Assault Squads than I need, I would probably get one.

Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised if I saw the Eviscerator in the Melee Weapons list, allowing more than just one random Assault Squad marine to take one.

Yes, the kit is really nice. I'm ordering 2, because I want the posable legs and scenic bases. Trading 20 standard legs (from old devastator/assault/command kits) for 10 extra posable legs, too!

However, as you say, the rules to back them up are sucky. I can see using the kit to augment BA ASM (mix it up with DC kit), but vanilla ASM? Nah. Let's see what they do to bikes...

Eviscerator as 25 points (same as a power fist) makes a lot of sense, as it gains armor-bane but is two handed, and for basic assault marines, replaces their bolt pistol as well.

At least the Devastator kit comes with a power axe to throw on the assault marines. Still no power maul or spear models though. What's up with that?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Combat-squadding 10-man unit in a pod, with 2 flamers, 1 combi-melta + fist or claw, and 2 eviscerators, gets you some pretty versatile, hard-hitting stuff, especially if you can make the whole thing obsec. Expensive, mind.

No combi melta, since the sergeant can only take items from the melee weapons list.

Another thing the BA Assault Squads have over C:SM Assault Squads.

Right... And you can take them in a gladius strike-

Oh wait.

Meh, for all we know, you HAVE to take a squad of Assault Marines in the GSF. No thanks, you can keep your strictly inferior version of the Assault Squads, my C:SM FA slots will be filled with bikes.

For all we know, the base gladius detachment will be 1 captain or chaplain, 0-1 command squad, 3-6 tactical squad, 1-2 assault/bike squad/assault centurion cohort, 1-2 devastator/devastator centurion cohort. Since those are all possible things In a codex adherent Demi battle company. Maybe they'll throw a dreadnought in as a requirement since those too are fluffy in a company.

All we know so far is that it requires a captain or chaplain. If the bonuses aren't worth the initial investment, I imagine people will still use CADs for their tournament lists.

I think it will be like a warhost, to be honest. Probably x number of core, but require a command unit. I am going to guess most HQ will do the trick (ie a named character can replace the captain).

 Talys wrote:
I think it will be like a warhost, to be honest. Probably x number of core, but require a command unit. I am going to guess most HQ will do the trick (ie a named character can replace the captain).

Hopefully it has a battle/tactical reserve(bikes)/scout Demi-companies you can choose from. If that's the case, it'll be pretty great.

If you are stuck taking tactical, assault and devastator squads... Well, we'll see.

The LE Salamanders cover doesn't look very exciting compared with the old one.

Thankfully my gaming buds and I have stuck with 6th ed 40k, so my extremely expensive book is still relevant to me

I don't see why I would take ASM now, granted not many used them before. Only if they were in the gladius company formation I guess. Bikes are still the way to go.

 Slinky wrote:
The LE Salamanders cover doesn't look very exciting compared with the old one.

Thankfully my gaming buds and I have stuck with 6th ed 40k, so my extremely expensive book is still relevant to me

None of them do. The art for the chapter specific LE Codexes last time was awesome, these are a step down imo.

Grav/Plas pistols are still 15ppm. Sigh. Lost opportunity.

While the loss of the free transport swap for JP is a little sad, it’s not totally unexpected. For a 5 man squad, you were swapping 15 points of packs for a 35 point transport. But having them with the option to be lower points but packsless will be nice if you want to put them in a non-dedicated transport.

Not sure how I feel about the evisorator. Points are about what I expected. In the hands of a basic assault marine, it’s a melta bomb with an extra attack on the charge. For 5 times the price. It has a little more use against non-vehilce targets, but if you are throwing your AMs at something that needs a powerfist, you are probably desperately tossing them into a meat grinder. In the hands of a vet sarge with more attacks, or a character who is resilient with multiple attacks, I can see it being a better investment. But on a 1A model, even “hidden” I think I’ll pass.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Where does that picture come from? I mean, not BolS, I know that, but I mean, it has the rules for ASM in English, and then just below the rules for ASM in French (except with GW ultra-crappy translation policy that sucks ball and is laughably terribly bad and horrible and I despise it so much). It does not look like it comes from a codex, or even a white dward. It actually looks like the rules are included in the ASM box or something. That would be new.

 Leth wrote:
Same reason someone buys digital, or collects magic cards, or prefers hardback. Some people spend 3 or 4 times the price of the models to have them painted by other people. Some people have every single book that has come out since second edition on their wall. If I was one of them I would have no problem getting the limited edition, it looks like a joy to read and you get all those cool little things hat everyone wants but few will buy.

I don't want your random reasons. I want the specific reasons why a person makes this choice. I want the person who is actually buying this to tell me their reasons. I'm not interested in insulting them, I'm genuinely curious.

If they enjoy having it then what does it matter? I know people where cost is not really a consideration it's "do I want it or not". If they want it or they think they will enjoy it, they buy it. That's all that matters.

Even wealthy people are rarely frivolous: understanding the difference between value and cost. Kirby gets derided for his comment about "the hobby is buying GW products," but every day I think I understand that he wasn't entirely wrong.

I like the new models, the potable legs and scenic bases. I remember how much of a pain the old assault marines are, and secretly hope this new mould fixes some of the problems.

I must say, I for one am glad they did not give ASM melta ar plasma options. Lets Raptors have something to set them apart. However, there is a real good chance this codex may tip the scales in favor of Loyalist Marinesas a follow up to my Chaos army. I will wait to see what they did with Raven Guard and Black Templars, as outside of FW they are the only Loyalist I have interest in.

Edit: This post was not meant as a "boo-hoo my spikey marines don't get this" type. I also like that BA and DA keep things to make them different. More variaty is better, IMO.

I nearly bought the CW Eldar Limited Edition, because I loved the direction the game was going. Sure, the Decurion and Wraiths were a wiff, but everything else lately had been done so well. And the LE looked really nice.

Fortunately, rules came out before I committed. So I didn't.

I bought a Ltd Ed Space Marine codex (Salamanders) last time round.

The main reason was that the cover image was really great, and that it had a Forge World style Mk IV helmet, which exactly matched the heads I had put on all my marines:



And of course, I didn't foresee the codex being replaced within 2 years!

Thankfully, I am still playing 6th edition anyway, so won't pick up the new codex and will keep playing with my super-expensive book

Why are plasma pistols still 15 points?

Because someone, some where at the heart of GW, thinks that a one shot, half range plasma gun is worth the same as the real thing.

Because GW can't be seen to support third party bitz resellers, all of whom have several warehouses containing only hundreds of thousands of plasma pistols, awaiting the day when GW drop the points cost to something sensible.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Because someone, some where at the heart of GW, thinks that a one shot, half range plasma gun is worth the same as the real thing.

Or is having post-traumatic flashbacks to 3rd, where an assault squad to get two in a squad for 5 points each. And if they didn’t move, they could double tap them.

Those were good days to be an assault marine.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Where does that picture come from? I mean, not BolS, I know that, but I mean, it has the rules for ASM in English, and then just below the rules for ASM in French (except with GW ultra-crappy translation policy that sucks ball and is laughably terribly bad and horrible and I despise it so much). It does not look like it comes from a codex, or even a white dward. It actually looks like the rules are included in the ASM box or something. That would be new.

The rules are indeed in the box.