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 Crazyterran wrote:
Well, blame the guy who wrote space wolves for that one, I suppose. Or the ork book, since I think that came first and made dedicated transports fast attack for the first time. Or was it dark eldar?

It was actually the 2006 Tau codex... but most of us assumed it was a layout error. Well, it probably was, back then.

 Talizvar wrote:
Funny if the Vindicator formation pans out: that was an Apocalypse formation with that same rule.
It really is like they are trying to make 40k into the original Apocalypse including "field every model you have".

Waiting for kronk and my reaction to any BT specific rules or we become generic marines.

We will see. We have 3 HQ characters and our templar brethren kits. We'll get some love!

 kronk wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Funny if the Vindicator formation pans out: that was an Apocalypse formation with that same rule.
It really is like they are trying to make 40k into the original Apocalypse including "field every model you have".

Waiting for kronk and my reaction to any BT specific rules or we become generic marines.

We will see. We have 3 HQ characters and our templar brethren kits. We'll get some love!

yeah thats how it works...........

Still not on the US site

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Still not on the US site

They won't be until 1pm EDT; the time when preorders have been going up for three or four weeks now...

Preorders are up.

The pics of the electronic edition list builder thing show crusader squads, so looks like BT are still a thing and included.

 Nevelon wrote:
The pics of the electronic edition list builder thing show crusader squads, so looks like BT are still a thing and included.

Black Templars confirmed.

Notice, under the captain, Chapter Tactics (Imperial Fists) under special rules.

I wonder if it's permitted, or what happens, if you take models from the codex that are, for example, Chapter Tactics (Imperial Fists) and Chapter Tactics (Ultramarines). Or maybe, there's a rule that says that you can only take models that are of the chapter that you select, or ones that aren't restricted to a chapter.

rollawaythestone wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
The pics of the electronic edition list builder thing show crusader squads, so looks like BT are still a thing and included.

Black Templars confirmed.

Thank the true Gods!
At least I'll have something to work on while waiting for my no.1 loves to get their updated.

I'm really curious to see what the Chapter Relics look like this time around as well... Under the last book, I'd often thought about "if I did a Templar army one day..." I'd have chosen a bike-mounted Marshal w/Burning Blade, leading a bike command squad of Power Lance + Storm shield bad@$$'s, simply because I love the whole 'Teutonic Knights in space' themes the BT's are based around!

Mind, I'm also hoping that Hand Flamers become a thing for Vanillas too, as again, I personally see the Templars as being more into 'burn the witch, purge the heretic, kill it with (rightous & holy) FIRE!' than a bunch of grav-lovers like most Marine armies seen these days.
I know it won't happen, just like Templar Assault squads won't be getting their Storm Shield option back, but, a girl can still dream!

There never was any reason to think that Black Templars wouldn't be in the codex....considering that rumor came from Steve the Warboss

 RedFox wrote:
There never was any reason to think that Black Templars wouldn't be in the codex....considering that rumor came from Steve the Warboss

Agreed. It's nice to have confirmation nonetheless.

So any points reductions, those of you with these point readers?

Now let's hope they get specific chapter relics and better chapter tactics


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 Colpicklejar wrote:
So any points reductions, those of you with these point readers?

teleport homers are 5 pts instead of 10

That's it? Terminators are still 40 ppm? Who's in the Lord of War slot? Are Chapter Masters anywhere?

 Colpicklejar wrote:
That's it? Terminators are still 40 ppm? Who's in the Lord of War slot? Are Chapter Masters anywhere?

oh we don't know about all that

we still don't have any concrete leaks, only the e-version preview

So far all we know is that Special Weapons seem to cost the same, Black Templars are still in, and Teleport Homers are 5pts.

Oh, and that there is this Decurion thing that nobody will use, since 3 Tacs, 1 Dev, 1 Assault is to many bloody points for 1500/200.

 Crazyterran wrote:
So far all we know is that Special Weapons seem to cost the same, Black Templars are still in, and Teleport Homers are 5pts.

Oh, and that there is this Decurion thing that nobody will use, since 3 Tacs, 1 Dev, 1 Assault is to many bloody points for 1500/200.

As long as you don't have to take them at 10 man squads it doesn't sound TOO awful. Don't know what it does though?

Names of the Chapter Tactics for each Chapter?

Lost Librarius for Black Templar? Is that just saying they don't have Librarians?

So, are these all identical to what they currently are called?

rollawaythestone wrote:


Names of the Chapter Tactics for each Chapter?

Glad to see Bolter Drill and Siege Masters remained for my Imperial/Crimson Fists. My four lascannons and four missile launchers are grateful.

It's incredibly disappointing to see BT still in the main book.

Wonder what other parts of our Identity that they'll continue to strip from us.

Not really looking forward to this book.

 rybackstun wrote:
It's incredibly disappointing to see BT still in the main book.

Wonder what other parts of our Identity that they'll continue to strip from us.

Not really looking forward to this book.

Better than getting squated.

So, this could've been an errata and formation data slate?

 Las wrote:
So, this could've been an errata and formation data slate?

Quite - I am not clear why a new codex is justified, unless solely to change the name to "Adeptus Astartes".

 Las wrote:
So, this could've been an errata and formation data slate?

Probably. They did tweak some units that we know of. Dev's getting Grav, and Assault Squads getting Eviscerators. Why would they pass up an opportunity to make more money and officially update the book to 7th Ed?

I mean, I'm as excited to run grav cannons in my tac squads as the next guy. Dunno how excited I am to pay 60$ for the privilege tho.

This is 40k. Pay to win is how the game works.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 rybackstun wrote:
It's incredibly disappointing to see BT still in the main book.

Wonder what other parts of our Identity that they'll continue to strip from us.

Not really looking forward to this book.

Better than getting squated.

This is just me, but honestly, no. At least at that point I could stop hoping that they would do the right thing and just play the 4th edition book even if it is technically worse than more recent releases. Sure I could do that anyway, but there is a compulsion to run the latest book with the perception that it's supposed to be better.

We'll see what happens over the week.

 Slinky wrote:

 Las wrote:
So, this could've been an errata and formation data slate?

Quite - I am not clear why a new codex is justified, unless solely to change the name to "Adeptus Astartes".

The same could largely be said for any codex GW has released in the last 3 years. Where most companies offer you a new edition to improve the quality of the rules, GW sells them as a matter of course and of profit, and has been doing in long enough to indoctrinate the player base into assuming they 'must' buy the update whether it is worth it or not.

Which is why I don't buy codexes anymore.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Slinky wrote:

 Las wrote:
So, this could've been an errata and formation data slate?

Quite - I am not clear why a new codex is justified, unless solely to change the name to "Adeptus Astartes".

The same could largely be said for any codex GW has released in the last 3 years. Where most companies offer you a new edition to improve the quality of the rules, GW sells them as a matter of course and of profit, and has been doing in long enough to indoctrinate the player base into assuming they 'must' buy the update whether it is worth it or not.

Which is why I don't buy codexes anymore.

That is too general a statement, and pretty false. The last 3 years of codeces were all thick with new stuff an many of them were in desperate need of an update (something that this board couldn't shut up about when I first joined it). Compare the quality of the Eldar release to what we're seeing here so far. That book had huge overhauls which did a lot to justify it being released in a new edition.

Not to mention that this release pace is no where near GW's MO if you look at them as a whole.