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Everyone pays for tactical options. Marine are elite,and with the current leaks are going to be top tier.

Now, back to the rumors!

All that objective secured. It was bad enough when it was just drop pods, at least they had to stay put. Now you can have 10+ transports and 10+ units all ObSec?

How is another army supposed to win in objective missions? Nobody could clear all that out.

And They Shall Know No Fear: the most powerful special rule that everyone thinks doesn't matter. Seriously, being able to ignore most of the negative effects of morale without the drawbacks of Fearless is a lot more powerful than people make it out to be.

As for Marines not "feeling elite", I introduce you to the grimdark 41st millennium, where there isn't just a bullet with your name on it, but a laser beam, heat ray, krak missile, plasma blast, and monomolecular blade too. If your Marines are dying too much for ATSKNF to not have an effect, more bodies or more cover is the answer.

The strength of Space Marines isn't in their specialization. It's that they are capable of being okay at everything in the game due to their rules and wargear. Windriders are a bad example, as they are blatantly undercosted for what they can do. Dire Avengers might have a better gun, and Necron Warriors might have a lot more durability and a better gun, but neither of those units can do everything that a Space Marine can do to the same level of quality.


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 Orock wrote:
All that objective secured. It was bad enough when it was just drop pods, at least they had to stay put. Now you can have 10+ transports and 10+ units all ObSec?

How is another army supposed to win in objective missions? Nobody could clear all that out.

It's not like METAHL BAWKSES are hard to kill. Only cowards and fools hide in them, you know!

My god thunderfire canons got EVEN BETTER!

Techmarine gunner has 2W and BS 5 and can now add two more canons for the same cost making the gunner BS6!!!!!!!!!

12 bs 6 fething barrage shots with 60" range and 12 t7 wounds with 2+ save tanking characters for only 300pts..... MY GOD!

Consider this ladies and chums, how will this affect 30k and 40k space marine stuff, for example, Contemptors are dreads +1, so try to imagine them being bumped to 4 attacks each, now imagine my loverly khorne contemptor with rage and rampage, that's what 4+2+D3+1 attacks on the charge, mmmm


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Or squadrons of plasma cannon monster hunter press, or magma melta tank hunters, or.... God forbid and prep to throw up in your mouth, the land raider formations with 3 achilles or dw land raiders, what that? You rolled a 6 with your lascannon to damage my dw land raider, Rr that please mate, aww you got a 1...don't care... Dark angels will be sick if they are inline with this book.

35pt dw termies (as we should get our chapter tactics free too yeah?) will mean 30 at 1050 before characters or upgrades, not too shabby, plus we should be getting a solid dw only formation, a ravenwing only one and a combined one if gw has any bloody sense at all. Price drops across the board etc., all in all I'm pretty stoked for dark angels now.

 Mulletdude wrote:
These new space marine dreadnoughts are better than the Blood Angels ones in just about every way. The 100 pt dread has as many attacks as a death company dread, for 25 less pts. Not going to lie, I'm a bit salty.

I'm happy. In a year or so, Furiosos will get buffed!

 Red Corsair wrote:
My god thunderfire canons got EVEN BETTER!

Techmarine gunner has 2W and BS 5 and can now add two more canons for the same cost making the gunner BS6!!!!!!!!!

12 bs 6 fething barrage shots with 60" range and 12 t7 wounds with 2+ save tanking characters for only 300pts..... MY GOD!

Oh how did i miss that.

Also not lossing the TFC if the guy gets sniped out... SWEET! Back up gunners! (If gunner goes down, chuck the extra TFC in front to tank.

 Timotheus wrote:
Grav Cannon for TT confirm:

Spoiler:

Timotheus, is this the correct list for Tac squad weapon upgrades?
Because it looks to me like Tac squads can now take heavy flamers.

 Nicorex wrote:

 Timotheus wrote:
Grav Cannon for TT confirm:

Spoiler:

Timotheus, is this the correct list for Tac squad weapon upgrades?
Because it looks to me like Tac squads can now take heavy flamers.

The note says Sternguard and LotD only sadly.

Ahh I knew I should not have given up on my Rosetta Stone German lessons..... POO!

 Nicorex wrote:
Ahh I knew I should not have given up on my Rosetta Stone German lessons..... POO!

Even if you can't read German, you can infer it, or if you're lazy, just use the English version that was leaked .

Did I miss a Captain page or was it just not posted? German or English, I'm not picky. I'm actually learning German pretty decently...

Guys, that says Grav Cannons on Legion of the Damned. On a unit with Slow and Purposeful. Grav-gun and Grav Cannon squads Deep Striking with Slow and Purposeful is pretty friggin impressive. Cent-Stars aren't the only option anymore. I can't be the only one drooling over that.

Clarification please:

Am I reading the posts correctly when it says for the formation that gives you the free transports, you have to take a full company, and another detachment?


Thanks.

I'll tell you whats extremely minor, but really fething slowed.

I made my VD years ago and glued the ML on, I havent had the heart to change him because I painted it up so nicely.

You can STILL get a twin-linked autocannon for 5 points more than the 10 point ML, that nobody in the history of the world takes because it is so much worse.

The ML on the VD should be free to switch out for a goddamn multi-melta or a powerfist!

They can't, the option has a 2 next to it which means only Sternguard and LotD can take them, like in the previous 'dex.

Oh cool! I can look at the new pics.

*opens up 4chan link*
*realises he's at work*

AHH! What am I doing?!?

General Hobbs wrote:


Clarification please:

Am I reading the posts correctly when it says for the formation that gives you the free transports, you have to take a full company, and another detachment?


Thanks.

As I can't/won't look at the pics at 4chan whilst at work, did we get confirmation if Dev Centurions get 2 weapons now, or still 1 TL weapon?

Still 1 TL iirc from when I looked at 4chan earlier this morning.

EDIT: Yep, still TL.

Ha ha what in the f is the point in vanguard vets when you can take honor guard?

honor guard are 25ppm with PW, AA, FG, KG, BP and a BG while VV are 24 ppm for PW, FG, KG and BP... Same goes for stern guard and command squads only at least commands are stuck at 5 models while sterns can go to 10 but that doesn't apply to honr guard and VVets lol. Honor guard can take 10 models lol.

Vanguard can take JP?

That's the only reason I can think of. Not a crazy good one, but it is one.

lmao 3 man iron clad dread units with rerolls to run and hit and run.... so much stupid in that book.

Looking at Pedro Kantor, he FINALLY got Artificer Armor! His rules are basically the same, but now he is 2+/4++/5+++ which is pretty awesome. Hold the Line is still in place, so Sternguard are a MUST with him. I can't really decide if I want to run him with Tactical Terminators (who have much the same abilities so they fit right in), Assault Terminators, or some Vanguard Vets. The fact Tactical Terminators are cheaper and actually not that terrible anymore. Maybe run him with a squad of five in an LRR, giving the HW Terminator an Assault Cannon. I have some VVs almost made up, I would just need to take their jump packs off. I have Man I am so happy. Unfortunately, I am going to have to give up on the idea of running a Demi-Company, since there are no slots for Sternguards.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Vanguard can take JP?

That's the only reason I can think of. Not a crazy good one, but it is one.

Yea i realized that but it hardly seems to justify it lol. I'd rather save the points on jump packs and take honor guard in a pod.

Interesting. So under the Combat doctrines, it implies that you can use all 3 once per game ( ie. the same way UltraMarines can).

It also clarifies that its per Gladius Strike Force and not Demi company, so you can't stack combat doctrines up that way.

Is there a listing of all the Auxiliaries anywhere????

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Looking at Pedro Kantor, he FINALLY got Artificer Armor! His rules are basically the same, but now he is 2+/4++/5+++ which is pretty awesome. Hold the Line is still in place, so Sternguard are a MUST with him. I can't really decide if I want to run him with Tactical Terminators (who have much the same abilities so they fit right in), Assault Terminators, or some Vanguard Vets. The fact Tactical Terminators are cheaper and actually not that terrible anymore. Maybe run him with a squad of five in an LRR, giving the HW Terminator an Assault Cannon. I have some VVs almost made up, I would just need to take their jump packs off. I have Man I am so happy. Unfortunately, I am going to have to give up on the idea of running a Demi-Company, since there are no slots for Sternguards.

Stick him in a pod with some honor guard.

 Red Corsair wrote:
lmao 3 man iron clad dread units with rerolls to run and hit and run.... so much stupid in that book.

Wow, I didn't realize that dreads now get chapter tactics. That's hilarious.

On the plus side I think this book is still going to be one of the most diverse in the game. Maybe some stuff is ridiculous, but there are plenty of ways to have a good army without being a complete powercheeser.

Wait if there is no Master of the Forge how do we then fit multiple relics of the armoury into our list (since things like double sicaran needed a MOTF)

fidel wrote:Wait if there is no Master of the Forge how do we then fit multiple relics of the armoury into our list (since things like double sicaran needed a MOTF)

You don't. It's now impossible until FW changes something.

Red Corsair wrote:lmao 3 man iron clad dread units with rerolls to run and hit and run.... so much stupid in that book.

You are getting hit and run....how? My understanding is that the WS chapter tactic doesn't have it anymore.

You houserule it to be Techmarines or wait for FW to release an FAQ.

Also, RAW Chronus doesn't have to, and indeed can't start in his tank... the tank gets all the buffs and Chronus can start separate, and then when the tank is destroyed he teleports to the tank and disembarks from it.

*slow clap*

Good job GW.

EDIT: WS CT still has Hit & Run.