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 Jangus wrote:
News just in "GW sells more models than there are people on the Earth" haha nah, some interesting rules for running 3 of X- like the 3 raiders ignoring all results except for explode, yuck!

I wonder what happens to the venerable upgrade... Seems like C:SM takes everything from C: DA. Makes me sad.

As rumoured in the upcoming WD:

Crimson Fists:

1. Warlord has Feel no Pain
2. Warlord and his Unit get Counterattack and Relentless(?) as long as in 3" of an objective
3. Warlord and his Unit get Hatred (Orks) and Preferred Enemy (Orks)
4. If your Warlord doesn't shoot and run, choose one MODEL within 12". The Model uses the Warlord ballistic skill
5. Eternal Warrior
6. Warlord and units within 12" gain Fearless.

Black Templars:

1. Add +1 to WS and A to Warlords Profile
2. If the Warlords Unit fail a moralcheck (within psychic or shooting phase), they instead run 2D6 towards the next enemy unit.
3. Warlord has Hatred and Prefered Enemy against Psykers
4. may reroll charge distance for Warlord and his unit.
5. Warlord has Fearless SR and rerolls to hit in challenges.
6. Warlord and all friendly units within 12" reroll all failed Morale, pinning or fearchecks.

Via lots of people, I read it thanks to a post by Timotheus - www.gamestrust.de has posted a few pages from the upcoming White Dwarf (next saturday)

There are CF and BT WD-only rules in it. I am at lunch break and unable to translate them now but hopefully others can do that

Edit: Ninjaed

Okay then. Here are the other photos of rhe article:



http://www.gamestrust.de/news,warhammer-40-000-space-marines-wd-bilder-cover-vorschau-librarius-formation,id43746.html

Maybe time for GW to bring back this bundle?

WindsOfFury wrote:
Maybe time for GW to bring back this bundle?

Needs another stalker.

Toss a speeder in there as well, so the WWs can be either part of the main formation, or their own suppression force.

WindsOfFury wrote:
Maybe time for GW to bring back this bundle?

Man if that had the built in discount like the old battle forces used to, and i could get a FLGS discount, I would find a way to sneak it past the wife!

The Painting Guide Sonf of Ultramar is 15.50 EUR for 120 pages (softcover). That's a fair price

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Painting Guide Sonf of Ultramar is 15.50 EUR for 120 pages (softcover). That's a fair price

Does it include Ultra successors as well?

Blood of Kittens has posted all' the snippets :http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/06/09/rumor-it-tired-reading-german-space-marine-rules/

General Hobbs wrote:


Blood of Kittens has posted all' the snippets :http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/06/09/rumor-it-tired-reading-german-space-marine-rules/

http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/40496270/so-lets-give-this-another-go-heres-to-hoping-this

Or you know, just read the English version and avoid his annoying site.

I also like the Librarian stuff. Found two discontinued(?) 4ed Librarians in a FNSLGS (Friendly Not so Local Gaming Store) and try to motivate driving 4 hours to get them as they aren't allowed to sell it over the internet due to stupid GW rules.

man that new libby is massive.

I am still extremely disappointed that they did not do a Bike Army Formation. They did one for 10th company, for 1st company.... but not for the company with bikes.

Its funny too because the 10th company could be technically a bike army - but a scout one.... boooooo

 Red Corsair wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


Blood of Kittens has posted all' the snippets :http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/06/09/rumor-it-tired-reading-german-space-marine-rules/

http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/40496270/so-lets-give-this-another-go-heres-to-hoping-this

Or you know, just read the English version and avoid his annoying site.

Oh come on, you didn't even click the link Hobbs posted but whine how annoying it is, otherwise you would know that what BoK provides is, indeed, the English version and WAY easier to go through than the 4chan thread. And you know what else? BoK isn't banned from most company networks, that also helps a lot.

 SickSix wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Painting Guide Sonf of Ultramar is 15.50 EUR for 120 pages (softcover). That's a fair price

Does it include Ultra successors as well?

Dont know, sorry. I can only tell you what I know about SoU based on a screenshot I made and posted here on Saturday a few pages back. It is from the iBook Codex and an ad for the digital painting guide(s). Shown is a bundle in the top left called Sons of Ultramar and also its parts (Character model, tanks, etc) available separately - but unfortenately there was no successor painting guide amongst them. GW did this with Skitarii and CM in exactly the same way. So I guess the printed painting guide will be - like the digital content - for Ultramarines only and does not include successor chapters.

We should have more pics of the next White Dwarf soon enough though

Does anyone know if they are ever going to release or do a Bike Formation - so that My White Scars can be extra fluffy

fidel wrote:
Does anyone know if they are ever going to release or do a Bike Formation - so that My White Scars can be extra fluffy

There was talk about a Lancer Strike Force in the last WD. What it described was bikes, attack bikes, and land speeders instead of Tacticals, assaults, and Devastators. Said list sounds VERY much like the Ravenwing. What I would be willing to bet is that the Lancer Strike Force either comes in the DA codex and is usable by DA and C:SM or it will be in White Dwarf and be usable by DA and C:SM.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

fidel wrote:
Does anyone know if they are ever going to release or do a Bike Formation - so that My White Scars can be extra fluffy

There was talk about a Lancer Strike Force in the last WD. What it described was bikes, attack bikes, and land speeders instead of Tacticals, assaults, and Devastators. Said list sounds VERY much like the Ravenwing. What I would be willing to bet is that the Lancer Strike Force either comes in the DA codex and is usable by DA and C:SM or it will be in White Dwarf and be usable by DA and C:SM.

Well them tell them to hurry the hell up - I want my formation - been waiting too long

fidel wrote:
Does anyone know if they are ever going to release or do a Bike Formation - so that My White Scars can be extra fluffy

I can’t tell you about formations, but bike lists did just get a nice boost.

Any IC on a bike unlocks them as troops, with no minimum size. So you don’t get to play with the new formation structure, but can console yourself with librarians leading your army, and 103point 3 man troop-pick bike squads, w/ 2xgrav, c-grav on the sarge. Spam those in a CAD to your heart’s content.

fidel wrote:
Does anyone know if they are ever going to release or do a Bike Formation - so that My White Scars can be extra fluffy

yes, it's called Ravenwing

fidel wrote:
Does anyone know if they are ever going to release or do a Bike Formation - so that My White Scars can be extra fluffy

Now that command squads are taken as elite,
White scars got an unexpected nice boost,
Three man troop bikes are also pretty neat,
In a CAD the scars may well rule the roost.

Feel no pain bikers all toting the grav,
Kor'sarro on board allows them to scout,
Storm shields and hammers are awesome to have,
Three units like this are what its about.

With attack bikes staying sat their in fast,
Command in elite and bikers in troops,
More bike slots abound than in all times past,
Your army can be cool bikers in groups.

Overall I think the chapter is strong,
As Marines in a CAD you can't go wrong.

Wow, what a difference a couple of days makes. I was very underwhelmed with the initial set of leaks, but it turns out that those leaks left a ton of pertinent details out. I'd put this army up there with Necrons and Eldar (although slightly behind Eldar). Which is good because my regular opponents are Necrons and Eldar LOL!

Top picks for favorite changes:

Vehicle and Dread squadrons with nice bonuses
Scout stat-line upgrade for no extra charge (reliable snipers!)
Gladius detachment allows the use of all 3 doctrines (the tactical doctrine twice for the demi company even)
Tacs and Devs getting gravcannons
VV getting cheaper upgrades
IF Chapter Tactics finally apply to Sternguard
Objective Secure for the Demi Company
Pedro finally getting artificer armour!


I really hope that BA and SW codexes get updates via WD or FAQs for their dreads and scouts. Seems odd that two units all marines share would have vastly different stats.

Five points to change a bolt pistol or chainsword on Vanguard Vets to a Power Weapon or Lightning Claw? Neat!

Also, Scouts with WS/BS4, oh my.

@Drager Summed up well

Maybe more White Dwarf formations ahead? Or a future Webshop bundle? Buying 60 bikes will come with an exclusive formation sheet and some pots of white scars white paint? Ok the paint pots part is pretty unrealistic

RAW Space Marines can't ally with anyone as they are not listed in the Ally Matrix with the current Codex -name.

Also, using 2 Relic of the Armoury vehicles for Space Marines just became illegal, as Master of the Forge no longer exists. Third, all Space Marine entries from Forgeworld are illegal as they are entries in a Codex that no longer exists by name.

I hope GW puts up a FAQ, or the RAW people will love this.

Drager wrote:

fidel wrote:
Does anyone know if they are ever going to release or do a Bike Formation - so that My White Scars can be extra fluffy

Now that command squads are taken as elite,
White scars got an unexpected nice boost,
Three man troop bikes are also pretty neat,
In a CAD the scars may well rule the roost.

Feel no pain bikers all toting the grav,
Kor'sarro on board allows them to scout,
Storm shields and hammers are awesome to have,
Three units like this are what its about.

With attack bikes staying sat their in fast,
Command in elite and bikers in troops,
More bike slots abound than in all times past,
Your army can be cool bikers in groups.

Overall I think the chapter is strong,
As Marines in a CAD you can't go wrong.

Well played indeed

 SickSix wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Painting Guide Sonf of Ultramar is 15.50 EUR for 120 pages (softcover). That's a fair price

Does it include Ultra successors as well?

Probably not. The current paint guides they have up now have them. As well as a dozen or so other Successor chapters.


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Ps> love that 2nd trait for Black Templars- fail a morale test? feth it. Let's kill the bastards! Chaaaaarge!!!

 Runic wrote:
RAW Space Marines can't ally with anyone as they are not listed in the Ally Matrix with the current Codex -name.

Also, using 2 Relic of the Armoury vehicles for Space Marines just became illegal, as Master of the Forge no longer exists. Third, all Space Marine entries from Forgeworld are illegal as they are entries in a Codex that no longer exists by name.

I hope GW puts up a FAQ, or the RAW people will love this.

As one of those RAW people, sorry, they didn't screw that up from a rules perspective, though stilll entertaining- they just rebranded all of the Marines with the adeptus header- they kept their old kinda' dated but recognizable name but got an official silly latin name on top of it, which makes it so they all take up another line on the web store. The best of both worlds?

Would it have killed GW to put an Iron Hands specific character in the new codex? Heck, they could just borrow one of the 50 from the Ultramarines?

Median Trace wrote:
Would it have killed GW to put an Iron Hands specific character in the new codex? Heck, the could just borrow one of the 50 from the Ultramarines?

Yes, yes it would have. What kind of monster are you to ask for GW's death solely for a single special character?