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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 dragqueeninspace wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Wow I'm glad I didn't get any pathfinders, 3 of them look like they have a major waist problem!

I don't think that is a problem but a side effect of being chicks.

The hips should have been the differentiating part then, no? Typically, when I see a woman with the same hip shape and width as a man's, she doesn't have some tiny little waist above it. That's just photoshop fails bad. #bodyhorror

Not the hips, the ribcage. Broad shoulders are caused by testosterone. The waist should be about the same width as the ribcage, and the hips a little bit wider than both.

The way that Enforcers come into being, it wouldn't surprise me if they were pumped full of testosterone...

overtyrant wrote:
They just don't look right to me, the males are absolutely fine but the females waist looks like the have some sort of torture girdle on.

I don't think it's a problem, in real life, with a full sized person who is moving and speaking gender is pretty clear.

With 28mm static minis some features end up exaggerated to make up for the lack of other information we'd normally get.

At least these women seem fully dressed and devoid of fetish wear (unless Halo style high tech armor is your thing).

 Alex C wrote:
The way that Enforcers come into being, it wouldn't surprise me if they were pumped full of testosterone...

That's not an excuse. Only an idiot invents reasons to produce miniatures that nobody wants, and nobody who wants female miniatures wants them to be man-shaped.

 Vermis wrote:
Very... nineties look to those sprue bits and layouts. Gonna be honest, I have doubts these'll look very natural when built. Serviceable, maybe, but off.

Having spent the 90's assembling plastic sprues, they most certainly do not.

Warzone, 1998


Warhammer Zombies, 1999


Warhammer Orcs, 1998


Warhammer High Elf, 2001


40k Space Marine, 1998 (3rd edition)


If anything, the sprue layout mimics the GW from circa 2008 when they started learning how to really push sprue channeling design via 3D versus 3ups.

Great sprues, thanks for posting. I'm still very interested in an updated Warpath ruleset and getting my growing Forgefather army onto a gaming table except for proxying 40k CSMs

It looks to me like the models are wearing a sort of standard issue body armor and clothing, the female figure just happens to be slighter.

That is 100% perfect for me. I hate cheesecake, personally.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 dragqueeninspace wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Wow I'm glad I didn't get any pathfinders, 3 of them look like they have a major waist problem!

I don't think that is a problem but a side effect of being chicks.

The hips should have been the differentiating part then, no? Typically, when I see a woman with the same hip shape and width as a man's, she doesn't have some tiny little waist above it. That's just photoshop fails bad. #bodyhorror

Other than that, though, I'm glad Mantic is at least trying to add some women to their Sci Fi minis roster.

when looking at something like this the ratio/relationship of hip, waist and chest is far more important that the absolute size especially when dealing with size differences of approx 1mm. If it was me then I would have done it the same way if only to avoid the risk of having two male figures and three male figures with fat asses.

Yeah her waist looks like it has been crushed by a giant fist. That's not how women look. Still, I really like the others so I'm fine with one of them being wacky. A massive improvement in good:bad ratio over, say, the Plague.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
The way that Enforcers come into being, it wouldn't surprise me if they were pumped full of testosterone...

That's not an excuse. Only an idiot invents reasons to produce miniatures that nobody wants, and nobody who wants female miniatures wants them to be man-shaped.

I don't think as many people will be buying these because they want female sci-fi troops as much as people will buy them because they want Pathfinders.

They were very popular during the DZ2 KS. I can see them being equally as popular in the Warpath KS and general retail.

The fact that their torso anatomy may or may not look "wrong" to some folks isn't as big a factor as some would claim, I think, when it comes to how popular these are/will be.

This whole discussion, to me anyway, seems like nitpicking just to find something to have a go at Mantic about.

 Alex C wrote:
This whole discussion, to me anyway, seems like nitpicking just to find something to have a go at Mantic about.

Well that has never happened before.

Probably the best thing they could have done would be to make the shoulders narrower; otherwise the waist width should have been kept the same as the male bodies.

At least, that's how body armor looks on real women in real life.

Here's an overview of the newish body armor being issued to women in the US military.
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2013/09/26/new-body-armor-women-military/
http://www.army.mil/article/87464/

Regardless, however, I am totally happy with the minis.

I'm gonna slap mine together (phrasing?) and if the waist on any of them bothers me, then those pathfinders will be getting a generous allotment of belt mounted kit . Whatever is on the sprue and eisenkern accessory bits after that if necessary.

I´m surprised people get so worked about the waist thing, I didn´t notice it myself before it became a thing, but then again people seem to get easily worked up when it comes to female miniatures.

Yeah, honestly I think they look fine. Not really getting the hate. But it's a mantic thread, so the usual haters will hate.

Women have smaller frames than the men, and aren't overly sexualized. Isn't this supposed to be a good thing? And mantic isn't taking the "fear of females other than elves" approach. I just...some people want to bitch simply to bitch.

Not sure what your point about the sprues is, Judgedoug. Most of your examples are still arranged into as many pieces as possible to give as many poses and variants as possible, but with only about half a dozen natural looking ones. I know about 'em, y'know. I've seen catachans and empire militia and orks and chaos marauders and so on. I put off starting a helf army until it became apparent that GW weren't going to put out updated versions of those archers, and the accompanying spearmen. (I.e. they blew it all up.)

The photo in your next post reminds me that these have been seen before, and yeah, some of those combinations look wonky, or have the potential for it. (Some of those shoulders need to be rotated just a degree or so, and don't think they won't be.)

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Yeah, honestly I think they look fine. Not really getting the hate. But it's a mantic thread, so the usual haters will hate.

Women have smaller frames than the men, and aren't overly sexualized. Isn't this supposed to be a good thing? And mantic isn't taking the "fear of females other than elves" approach. I just...some people want to bitch simply to bitch.

Then you'd be missing the point that it should be possible to make female minis that are both covered up and possess human anatomy. We know what people, including women (yes!) look like. They've been looked at - and have been a subject of artistic training - for a few millenia. If Mantic keep getting flak for it, maybe that's because they keep flubbing it.

 judgedoug wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Other than that, though, I'm glad Mantic is at least trying to add some women to their Sci Fi minis roster.

But they don't have shapely bosom armor, high heeled jackboots, electro whips and nip-spikes. How do I know they're women?

Women don't get to wear helmets?

There's just no other way to make a mini look feminine. It's just like how the WGF survivors Men and Women sets are identical except for the heads, bosoms and footwear....


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 dragqueeninspace wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 dragqueeninspace wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Wow I'm glad I didn't get any pathfinders, 3 of them look like they have a major waist problem!

I don't think that is a problem but a side effect of being chicks.

The hips should have been the differentiating part then, no? Typically, when I see a woman with the same hip shape and width as a man's, she doesn't have some tiny little waist above it. That's just photoshop fails bad. #bodyhorror

Other than that, though, I'm glad Mantic is at least trying to add some women to their Sci Fi minis roster.

when looking at something like this the ratio/relationship of hip, waist and chest is far more important that the absolute size especially when dealing with size differences of approx 1mm. If it was me then I would have done it the same way if only to avoid the risk of having two male figures and three male figures with fat asses.

I know far, far more men with fat asses than women with those proportions. They could have designed the sprue more like the WGF Russians or simply forced a ratio of male to female minis on sprue so they could sculpt them correctly. Frankly, in the age of plastics, when Dreamforge can do everything right (except for Minis that aren't Space Nazis), with MEdge and GoA plastics coming out, I can't justify buying miniatures that require aesthetic gymnastics not to dislike.
Well, maybe I can justify buying a sprue for the robot dog.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Well, maybe I can justify buying a sprue for the robot dog.

I have a couple sprues coming. When they arrive if you want a robot dog it is yours. Damned things are way to silly for my tastes.

 CptJake wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Well, maybe I can justify buying a sprue for the robot dog.

I have a couple sprues coming. When they arrive if you want a robot dog it is yours. Damned things are way to silly for my tastes.

Thank you! I would appreciate that very much.

Yeah I really wish they had kept the original boxy drone dog rather than redesign it into some Transformer reject. I loved the boxy little runt.

 judgedoug wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Other than that, though, I'm glad Mantic is at least trying to add some women to their Sci Fi minis roster.

But they don't have shapely bosom armor, high heeled jackboots, electro whips and nip-spikes. How do I know they're women?

I liked this bit of recent news.
http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2015/08/29/star-wars-masterfully-shuts-down-this-sexist-question-about-storm-trooper-armor/

OK, I read it on Polygon, but it's workblocked, so the one above is essentially the same content from a different source...

 judgedoug wrote:
It looks to me like the models are wearing a sort of standard issue body armor and clothing, the female figure just happens to be slighter.

That is 100% perfect for me. I hate cheesecake, personally.

Are these the plastic pathfinders ?

If they are, I must admit that I think they look excellent, and this is coming from someone whohas been a harsh critics of mantic plastic offering (bar a few exceptions, like the undeads)

The only negative is that they don't seem to be easilly customisable

 streetsamurai wrote:

Are these the plastic pathfinders ?

Yes.

Forgefather Tank WIP

 DaveC wrote:
Forgefather Tank WIP

Is that going to be a turret or is the gun going to be in a fixed position?

Looks like a turret.

Looks to be a turret to me. Either way, as someone who has been buying FF stuff I'm glad that tank doesn't have a beard

 MLaw wrote:
Looks to be a turret to me. Either way, as someone who has been buying FF stuff I'm glad that tank doesn't have a beard

But... but how are we supposed know it's a forgefather tank!?

That looks simply terrible.

 MLaw wrote:
Looks to be a turret to me. Either way, as someone who has been buying FF stuff I'm glad that tank doesn't have a beard

It does.

There are pictures of the tank without the dozer blade, and it clearly has an armored Forgefather face. For that matter, the dozer blade appears to have a slightly more subtle Forgefather face on it.

Taken with the Enfacer faceship, it seems like Mantic's designer is taking the most direct approach in visually connecting the vehicles and the infantry. I eagerly await a snouted Veermyn scout car.