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If it's Mad Max, I can probably take a break from the Mantic KS train. I'm strangely not that interested in putting together or painting vehicles for a vehicle-centric game these days.

But if it's Fallout? Oh, man. I'll be diverting planned Warpath Pledge Manager funds and *still* go ahead and break the bank while I'm at it. If they did a Fallout game even as well as Mars Attacks, I'd be like a kid in a candy store. If they did it *better*, I'm done for.

I'd be somewhat grumpy if it moves off of something divisible by 2 - I was one of the dumbdumbs who ordered multiple mats.

Well, best way to tell a company what you want is to well, tell them.
Email in and say what you do like, and what you're hoping will happen.

If it was Mad Max I'd be simultaneously giddy and disappointed that it would be Mantic making the models.

I was also lucky enough to get a ticket to the secret room, has me wondering who Scarletsquig was now! (I was the guy who played standing up)

Was awesome, drew on bits from a lot of games both Mantic and not Mantic, I'm not even a big Mantic fan but it ticked a lot of boxes already in terms of wish listing what I'd like to see.

I do like the Open Days, though again it felt like a better layout would have stopped the main room being a big pile of congestion. The Warpath vehicles surprised me in terms of design and appearance, better than pics suggested by a mile, and again this isn't from a real fan. Even the dodgier Dungeon a Saga expansion sculpts looked better in person!

Was quite noticeable that Mars Attacks was barely present bar a stack of graphic novels in the store!

I love where this thread is going.

Heh, Tangle in the WP ks they went out of their way to go on about the art not being final, and how it needed to be more evil looking ... the model looks exactly like the art!

Not that its not cool looking as is tho. Rat standing on a blanket of rats being pulled in a rat chariot, whats not to like

Speaking of the Tangle - more open day images from brueckenkopf

What is the figure in the front? Still as long as thats a 20 or 25 mm square base they're pretty big huh.

That tank does in fact look as big or bigger than a rhino, and the other two are massive. If the tooling, quality, ease of assembly, and so forth are up to scratch... the $25/per (though only while bundling, I know) is pretty damn nice.

That tank looks worse than the $6 one I got from Tehnolog. The vehicles all look like cheap toys. That doomwheel is pretty cool though.

 Mymearan wrote:
That tank looks worse than the $6 one I got from Tehnolog. The vehicles all look like cheap toys. That doomwheel is pretty cool though.

Seriously? I need to pull out my Tehnolog tank again and have a look, but that seems a bit harsh.

The doomwheel does look good; my main concern is I think it's likely to be done in metal, since Mantic refused to say it would be done in resin during the KS.

I'll have to get my hands on a tunneler at some point (if they turn out well), just to have it as a terrain element during Deadzone games as a colorful bit of scenery. But the bundle deals are absurd to me - I can't imagine ever needing three of any of these vehicles.

(But then, I'm not a mass wargamer.)

I still wonder if the even pricing of these vehicles will change when they hit retail. I could easily see the smaller FF tanks costing less than the tunneler or Asterian ship, for example.

Guys, why are you being so harsh? The Technolog tank is awesome.


Wish the Forgefather tank was $6. Or even $16.

 RiTides wrote:
Do we know when the new Deadzone rules are being revealed (at least I'm beta form)?

Hey guys, I didn't see if anyone answered this - is it not known / is there any info here?

I committed to a set of ModCube tokens for it and have 20 backers I need to eventually send these to in a makeup package, so just trying to figure out a timeline for when I should plan to make them

Yeah now that you mention it Vermonter, that tunneler would make for some awesome Necromunda/general industrial sci-fi scenery. Not for $25 though!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Guys, why are you being so harsh? The Technolog tank is awesome.


Wish the Forgefather tank was $6. Or even $16.

Yeah it wasn't really a dig against Tehnolog as much as Mantic :-D The Tehnolog is pretty great for the price.

 Mymearan wrote:
That tank looks worse than the $6 one I got from Tehnolog. The vehicles all look like cheap toys. That doomwheel is pretty cool though.

Bear in mind I didn't pledge for these vehicles, and I have no interest in the game itself, so I have no real reason to defend them... You're being overly critical based on a few snapped phone pics.
Perhaps it's the photos, but the vehicles looked very impressive and solid construction in person, within the limitations of the presented materials. The tank was retiring shyly at the back, but both that and the flyer on the next shelf gave the impression of solidly built, menacing futuristic vehicles. Once rendered in plastic, I can see them standing toe to toe with other tanks easily.

The massive drill and alien croissant stole the show, but the little guardsman in me was delighted by the tank. Slightly confused by everything else. It's okay though, he got cake.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
That tank looks worse than the $6 one I got from Tehnolog. The vehicles all look like cheap toys. That doomwheel is pretty cool though.

Bear in mind I didn't pledge for these vehicles, and I have no interest in the game itself, so I have no real reason to defend them... You're being overly critical based on a few snapped phone pics.
Perhaps it's the photos, but the vehicles looked very impressive and solid construction in person, within the limitations of the presented materials. The tank was retiring shyly at the back, but both that and the flyer on the next shelf gave the impression of solidly built, menacing futuristic vehicles. Once rendered in plastic, I can see them standing toe to toe with other tanks easily.

The massive drill and alien croissant stole the show, but the little guardsman in me was delighted by the tank. Slightly confused by everything else. It's okay though, he got cake.

It's a snap judgement for sure, but the tank and flyer especially look like they would be right at home in the toy aisle. It's not just the level of detail, it's the aesthetic. Someone said they are going for the Saturday morning cartoon vibe, which I agree with, although in my case it's a big negative. I play Enforcers in Deadzone, and I really like the rebs, but Forge Fathers and Asterians are going in a direction I really dislike.

I think the Veer-myn tunneler needs a more mad sciencey vibe to fit the faction better. I understand that it's appropriated tech from the Corporations, but the ratmen would have rejiggered it for warfare and used malign and questionable technologies to bling it out. Even the big gun could use more cables and bizarre electrical whatnots. Unless that's just my Skaven expectations talking, and Mantic intend to put Veer-myn technology on firmer footing.

I guess this way it has more crossover appeal, since it could really fit into any sci-fi faction with its unblemished, functional design. Invested Veer-myn players can corrupt it themselves through modification.

I do expect that, if the model turns out decent, we'll be seeing some pretty impressive conversions and dioramas centered around the tunneler come out. It's perfect for a subterranean scene. Makes me think of Total Recall and Red Faction.

I'm cool with the Asterians except for the "we need some scantily clad, overmuscled sex appeal in this droid faction" Kalyshi. I'll be substituting some Eldar models in for those. Don't need the flyer, though. It's not bad, but it doesn't really compete with Eldar / Dark Eldar flyers. Except in terms of casting quality. I'm sure it will blow GW out of the water in that department, and for almost exactly the same retail price.

What makes you say a Mantic product will beat a GW product on casting quality? Has Mantic released a single sprue post-Renedra that matched GW quality?

The Peacekeepers are perhaps the best recent Mantic sprue, but them's some smooshy faces.


Are the GW Eldar flyers really only 30ish-40ish dollars? Isn't that Mantic's intended MSRP on their Asterian flyers? I can't imagine Ronnie selling a $65 flyer with a straight face.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
What makes you say a Mantic product will beat a GW product on casting quality? Has Mantic released a single sprue post-Renedra that matched GW quality?

The Peacekeepers are perhaps the best recent Mantic sprue, but them's some smooshy faces.


Are the GW Eldar flyers really only 30ish-40ish dollars? Isn't that Mantic's intended MSRP on their Asterian flyers? I can't imagine Ronnie selling a $65 flyer with a straight face.

Hi Bob,

Actually, we agree. I was just being sarcastic with that "casting quality" comment.

To be fair, we don't really know the MSRP on the Asterian flyers yet, we're just guessing based on past experience with KS vs. retail price differences. You're probably right about the Eldar flyers ending up being more expensive, though. I certainly hope so.

Hi Vermonter,

I totally did not pick up on the sarcasm. My mistake. Carry on.

Where is the sourcing or source rumour for a post-apocalypse game from Mantic?

 Orlanth wrote:
Where is the sourcing or source rumour for a post-apocalypse game from Mantic?

Ronnie Renton.

Ronnie would be a terrible secret agent.

 Alex C wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Where is the sourcing or source rumour for a post-apocalypse game from Mantic?

Ronnie Renton.

Also members of the public that got into the "special room" (no, the other "special room"....) on Saturday. It's my understanding the public announcement is fairly soon.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Ronnie would be a terrible secret agent.

I'm about 90% sure it's deliberate. Until the guy next to him in the seminar makes a face like, "No Ronnie, no." and I wonder what the hell just happened.

 Baragash wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Where is the sourcing or source rumour for a post-apocalypse game from Mantic?

Ronnie Renton.

Also members of the public that got into the "special room" (no, the other "special room"....) on Saturday. It's my understanding the public announcement is fairly soon.

Everyone that got into the 'other special room' signed an NDA?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Where is the sourcing or source rumour for a post-apocalypse game from Mantic?

Ronnie Renton.

Also members of the public that got into the "special room" (no, the other "special room"....) on Saturday. It's my understanding the public announcement is fairly soon.

Everyone that got into the 'other special room' signed an NDA?

I'm fairly sure I am the only one who "technically" hasn't signed an NDA, but I am working Ronnie HARD to let me on the design team, so I wouldn't want to risk saying anything stupid. I will say people will (most of you) will be impressed and will want to throw a lot of money at this one. I'm quite impressed and its a property I could make my career working on.

Also, to the individual who thinks Ronnie is intentionally teasing... maybe so, but have you met the guy? He's like a little kid. He's so sincerely excited about what he is doing, all the time, that he conveys ideas (and secrets) like a kid passionately describing what's happening on their favorite show (and not caring if it necessarily makes sense... because the enthusiasm has taken hold). :-p

Well, in that case, just PM me with the info.

I'll even sign the NTN NDA.

Maybe.

I'll take that PM myself. I keep secrets like Superman keeps briefs. (?)

 Mymearan wrote:
I'll take that PM myself. I keep secrets like Superman keeps briefs. (?)

Outside your trousers?