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Is Walking Dead really that big of a franchise? Someone claimed it was the fourth largest multimedia franchise for merchandising? I never would have guessed.

Even som how does that translate into a million dollar kickstarter? Zombie minis and zombie rule sets are plentiful and fairly interchangeable. This isn't like Halo, which I would have expected to be an even bigger franchise, where the characters and units have little generic competition. Did Halo pull in a million dollars in preorders?

I said it's one of the 4 four main brands in film / tv right now. - Not necessarily merchandising.

For example, it's only The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones that I'm aware has an hour long TV show, based entirely around discussing an hour long TV show, airing 5 minutes after you watch the hour long tv show...

Never really saw the appeal of TWD... if thats what it is, itll probably get a pass from me... but well see, I guess.

The first Zombicide made $800k, even without any KS pedigree or a brand name, so I'd be surprised if a Walking Dead game didn't do better than that. Peoples willingness to buy zombie miniatures doesn't show many signs of stopping any time soon, so as long as Mantic don't complete balls it up then it should do pretty well I;d imagine.

CMon have managed to essentially release the same game 4 times with tiny rules additions and each time more people back it for millions of dollars, so the market is clearly pretty huge.

 pretre wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

carboncopy wrote:
It's The Walking Dead. BOLS has pretty much just confirmed it.


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http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/01/mystery-someones-making-a-walking-dead-minis-game.html

They confirmed there will be a Walking Dead game.

Whether it's Mantic, or not, is yet to be confirmed.

Also, saying BOLS confirmed anything is rather silly.

Okay maybe I should say this is yet more evidence from yet another source that Mantic is doing a Walking Dead game. It was pretty much was confirmed way back at Mantic open day by the Dead zone podcast.

What's the point of a TWD mini game? How could they make it substu different from zombicide, or at least enough that people who own a billion zombie minis would be interested in more? As others have said, that market is pretty tapped and just because people will buy a darrel t-shirt or the myriad board games (in full cor) will be interested in dealing with Mantic restic issues and unpainted minis.

I can wait for retail then. Zombicide is better than Mantic, and my kids can play Zombicide with me, I won't let them watch the show.

 agnosto wrote:
What's the point of a TWD mini game? How could they make it substu different from zombicide, or at least enough that people who own a billion zombie minis would be interested in more? As others have said, that market is pretty tapped and just because people will buy a darrel t-shirt or the myriad board games (in full cor) will be interested in dealing with Mantic restic issues and unpainted minis.

What's the point of mantic's other games? How do they make their scifi game with space orcs and space dwarves and space ratmen and space elves substantially different from the other game with the same? Or their fantasy game different from the "other" fantasy game with the most of the same factions? The rules would be one way. The scope and scale of the game (mass battle tabletop minis vs boardgame) would be another. Zombicide certainly wasn't the first zombie game and despite its popularity I doubt there isn't room for improvement.

Well, it might have more structure than regular zombicide. Which is nice to play but very simplistic

If it ends up a skirmish game like Frostgrave that focuses on grabbing supplies before the opposing survivors and getting out, all with AI zombie hordes in the background I could be intrigued enough to let them tell me more.

If it is a co-op game like Zombicide, then combined with my current temperature on Mantic Kickstarters it will be an easy pass on the game.

Bombad wrote:
If it ends up a skirmish game like Frostgrave that focuses on grabbing supplies before the opposing survivors and getting out, all with AI zombie hordes in the background I could be intrigued enough to let them tell me more.

Think you're going to be very happy with the rules for Mantic's next game (whatever it might happen to be!).

Mantic has their 12th day of Xmas thing on the blog tomorrow, one to keep a look out for.

Bombad wrote:
If it ends up a skirmish game like Frostgrave that focuses on grabbing supplies before the opposing survivors and getting out, all with AI zombie hordes in the background I could be intrigued enough to let them tell me more.

Funnily enough there was a KS for a game all about that concept last year but it failed spectacularly.

It'll be interesting to see Mantic's approach, but I'm more and more leaning away from it.

 Alex C wrote:

Bombad wrote:
If it ends up a skirmish game like Frostgrave that focuses on grabbing supplies before the opposing survivors and getting out, all with AI zombie hordes in the background I could be intrigued enough to let them tell me more.

Funnily enough there was a KS for a game all about that concept last year but it failed spectacularly.

It'll be interesting to see Mantic's approach, but I'm more and more leaning away from it.

Yes, but did they have Mantics proven track record....

So...zombie Blaine then :-)

If it's WD I'll pass. I LOVE the TV show and also read the comics, but a game? Nope, had my fill of zombies, thanks.

Triszin wrote:


my dreams: Gears of War, but I think only GW could do the space mariney COG goodness

If it hasn't been mentioned yet there is actually a cracking GoW board game already for sale, by FFG

 Compel wrote:
I said it's one of the 4 four main brands in film / tv right now. - Not necessarily merchandising.

For example, it's only The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones that I'm aware has an hour long TV show, based entirely around discussing an hour long TV show, airing 5 minutes after you watch the hour long tv show...

If that's the standard to go by, then "Take Me Out" is a major brand Ditto most shoddy reality shows infesting TV nowadays.

Zombies, meh. I get peeps like the genre but it does nothing for me. And it is a heavily drilled well on kickstarter by this point.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is Walking Dead really that big of a franchise? Someone claimed it was the fourth largest multimedia franchise for merchandising? I never would have guessed.

It's Santa Barbara with zombies, so maybe all the bored housewives watch it? I'm not sure if that's a great demographic for a tabletop wargame, tho.

What about shannara chronicles coming this week to mtv, but its post apoc and fantasy combined would do well in miniature form?

So Mantic had an article up saying there will be another article up later talking about the new KS.

In other news, I just saw this:

http://www.beastsofwar.com/4ground/head-chicago-prohibition-era-4ground-buildings/

4ground buildings that would fit perfectly with a US Post Apoc setting.

We have seen 4ground buildings in a Mantic KS before, maybe we'll see these in an add-on wednesday?

For add-on wednesday? Nah they'll put them in at the end on thursday or friday to boost pledges. Add-on wednesday will follow tradition and be dice, bags for dice, maybe a really generic shirt...and possibly individual pieces of the core box sold separately, but only on the last wednesday of the project.

Sorry. But those tend to disappoint.

Neat buildings though. I'm hoping my embarrassing battle systems post apoc order will be compatible but we'll see.

Looking forward to knowing one way or the other what we're dealing with.

 warboss wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
What's the point of a TWD mini game? How could they make it substu different from zombicide, or at least enough that people who own a billion zombie minis would be interested in more? As others have said, that market is pretty tapped and just because people will buy a darrel t-shirt or the myriad board games (in full cor) will be interested in dealing with Mantic restic issues and unpainted minis.

What's the point of mantic's other games? How do they make their scifi game with space orcs and space dwarves and space ratmen and space elves substantially different from the other game with the same? Or their fantasy game different from the "other" fantasy game with the most of the same factions? The rules would be one way. The scope and scale of the game (mass battle tabletop minis vs boardgame) would be another. Zombicide certainly wasn't the first zombie game and despite its popularity I doubt there isn't room for improvement.

They make money by being the cheaper alternative. Can they undercut CMoN? Maybe.

And you think Mantic can do a better job than CMoN? We'll differ here as I never had the issues with Zombiecide rules that I have with the rules of every game that Mantic produces. If they would just slow down and quit half-arsing stuff, they could be a real quality game developer instead of what they currently are.

 agnosto wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
What's the point of a TWD mini game? How could they make it substu different from zombicide, or at least enough that people who own a billion zombie minis would be interested in more? As others have said, that market is pretty tapped and just because people will buy a darrel t-shirt or the myriad board games (in full cor) will be interested in dealing with Mantic restic issues and unpainted minis.

What's the point of mantic's other games? How do they make their scifi game with space orcs and space dwarves and space ratmen and space elves substantially different from the other game with the same? Or their fantasy game different from the "other" fantasy game with the most of the same factions? The rules would be one way. The scope and scale of the game (mass battle tabletop minis vs boardgame) would be another. Zombicide certainly wasn't the first zombie game and despite its popularity I doubt there isn't room for improvement.

They make money by being the cheaper alternative. Can they undercut CMoN? Maybe.

And you think Mantic can do a better job than CMoN? We'll differ here as I never had the issues with Zombiecide rules that I have with the rules of every game that Mantic produces. If they would just slow down and quit half-arsing stuff, they could be a real quality game developer instead of what they currently are.

We're not differing as I've never played either a Mantic game nor Zombiecide and someone would be very hard pressed to call me a fanboy of either. I would point out that your original post that I quoted and responded to said "different" and not "better". I just pointed out two ways it could be different.

If its the walking dead I probably would be interested. I like the characters and story of the walking dead (more the comics than the tv show) but the setting is generic zombies.Which is already pretty saturated. For me to have an interest the models would have to be fantastic (Which is sadly rare with mantic), the rules would have to be very good and it would have to offer me something that zombicide doesn't

 warboss wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
What's the point of a TWD mini game? How could they make it substu different from zombicide, or at least enough that people who own a billion zombie minis would be interested in more? As others have said, that market is pretty tapped and just because people will buy a darrel t-shirt or the myriad board games (in full cor) will be interested in dealing with Mantic restic issues and unpainted minis.

What's the point of mantic's other games? How do they make their scifi game with space orcs and space dwarves and space ratmen and space elves substantially different from the other game with the same? Or their fantasy game different from the "other" fantasy game with the most of the same factions? The rules would be one way. The scope and scale of the game (mass battle tabletop minis vs boardgame) would be another. Zombicide certainly wasn't the first zombie game and despite its popularity I doubt there isn't room for improvement.

They make money by being the cheaper alternative. Can they undercut CMoN? Maybe.

And you think Mantic can do a better job than CMoN? We'll differ here as I never had the issues with Zombiecide rules that I have with the rules of every game that Mantic produces. If they would just slow down and quit half-arsing stuff, they could be a real quality game developer instead of what they currently are.

We're not differing as I've never played either a Mantic game nor Zombiecide and someone would be very hard pressed to call me a fanboy of either. I would point out that your original post that I quoted and responded to said "different" and not "better". I just pointed out two ways it could be different.

Gotcha. Sorry, my brain is in a 1000 places today. Though better would be different, right?

The question I have is how valuable would a TWD tabletop mini game be? Are their enough TWD fans who would also be willing to build and paint minis? Are there enough mini gamers interested in yet another zombie game willing to have even more zombies (I have about 200 for example)?

We'll see I guess if this turns out to be the way it lands.

Did Mantic reveal their secret yet? Today's the last day, right?

it could be chronicles of shannara it's due to come out this week and it's post apoc world with elves and what not

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Did Mantic reveal their secret yet? Today's the last day, right?

They had an article today saying there will be an article today about the new KS, but it's not up yet.

 Alex C wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Did Mantic reveal their secret yet? Today's the last day, right?

They had an article today saying there will be an article today about the new KS, but it's not up yet.

Xeno's Articles? Each time, we get a little closer to the big reveal.


Gabbo is coming.

 agnosto wrote:

Gotcha. Sorry, my brain is in a 1000 places today. Though better would be different, right?

The question I have is how valuable would a TWD tabletop mini game be? Are their enough TWD fans who would also be willing to build and paint minis? Are there enough mini gamers interested in yet another zombie game willing to have even more zombies (I have about 200 for example)?

We'll see I guess if this turns out to be the way it lands.

Better is indeed different although I'd be hard pressed to comment on these two games beyond just general broad gaming preferences. If you're going to do a LICENSED zombie game, TWD would indeed be probably the best or tied for best IP to base it on and that should help with the number of fans/sales at least initially. The big name likely will help with KS funding since it's so far in advance of the actual end products. I'm not particularly a zombieapocalypse fan personally and would have preferred Gears of War instead so I in all likelihood I'll be skipping this KS.