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Modern mechanics usually includes things such as a shared turn. - Not, "I move all my dudes, shoot all my dudes, fight with all my dudes" while the other guy sits on his bum for 20 minutes. It's usually more relating to 'alternate activations' or the like, or a shared turn. - EG I move some of my guys, you do some of yours.

I would say an emphasis on objective play is another trend that has come back into fashion. - EG, not having the winner decided upon who kills the most guys. Some games I play, number of kills only actually matters if the game is a tie in other ways.

Modern games also tend to try to streamline the dice rolls a little bit too. EG, maybe instead of to-hit, to-wound, armour saves. Armour instead effects the to-wound roll.

Modern games also have a tendancy to branch out from pure d6's, in some cases, even using custom dice completely (EG Fantasy Flight's Star Wars games).

d10's seem popular, and other games it is the sided dice that reflect quality, d6 being lowest qualities and d12 the insanely high, where most top troops would be d10 for Ld/Morale/etc.

 Compel wrote:
Modern mechanics usually includes things such as a shared turn. - Not, "I move all my dudes, shoot all my dudes, fight with all my dudes" while the other guy sits on his bum for 20 minutes. It's usually more relating to 'alternate activations' or the like, or a shared turn. - EG I move some of my guys, you do some of yours.

I would say an emphasis on objective play is another trend that has come back into fashion. - EG, not having the winner decided upon who kills the most guys. Some games I play, number of kills only actually matters if the game is a tie in other ways.

Modern games also tend to try to streamline the dice rolls a little bit too. EG, maybe instead of to-hit, to-wound, armour saves. Armour instead effects the to-wound roll.

Modern games also have a tendancy to branch out from pure d6's, in some cases, even using custom dice completely (EG Fantasy Flight's Star Wars games).

Hmm.. I played Void 1.1 back before I-Kore sold it off to Scotia Grendel (released 2003 sold in 2006 IIRC) and it featured all of that, so it strikes me as odd that it's what is now being considered modern. That said, most games I played of 40k were objective based (though I tended to play tourney prep most of the time) but didn't they even switch over to picking a scenario as part of the mandatory game setup? So far none of the things I'm hearing about the newest edition(s) of WP sounds extraordinary. So far the most intriguing bit has been that it's 40k but better.. which.. only sounds better because I'm not sure how to qualify it. As I have said, I believe Mantic has potential. I believe they have earned the current view many of us have towards them too though. I don't think 40k with different dice, less special abilities, and Warmahordes unit cards is what is going to bring us back though. Giving it the benefit of the doubt, I would love to watch a sample play video of the newest rules to get a feel for it. Maybe I am misunderstanding how it's being presented. Seeing it in play could solve some of those notions. (mostly curious about how Firefight has evolved).

 MLaw wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Is it just me or did the excitement surrounding Mantic stuff simmer down this year without the constant influx of kickstarters either completing or starting? The activity in this thread has been quite low compared with previous years.

I think a lot of us that were hoping Mantic was going to be the new big dog in SF wargames finally got over the honeymoon effect. Their decisions on the direction of the game(s) both in the multibase thing, the major benching of Marauders, and all the little SNAFUs with .. many.. aspects of fulfillment, delivery, quality control, communication, etc.. some of us (assuming I'm not alone) are hesitant to trust them and are just keeping an eye out for interesting developments.

Nah, it's because they haven't fethed up anything major recently, and so there's nothing to *edit* complain *edit* about.


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Ooh speaking of which my Warpath pledge just arrived, hot damn!

Actually, I think this is spot on:

 MLaw wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Is it just me or did the excitement surrounding Mantic stuff simmer down this year without the constant influx of kickstarters either completing or starting? The activity in this thread has been quite low compared with previous years.

I think a lot of us that were hoping Mantic was going to be the new big dog in SF wargames finally got over the honeymoon effect. Their decisions on the direction of the game(s) both in the multibase thing, the major benching of Marauders, and all the little SNAFUs with .. many.. aspects of fulfillment, delivery, quality control, communication, etc.. some of us (assuming I'm not alone) are hesitant to trust them and are just keeping an eye out for interesting developments.

I suppose there's still time/hope/etc. though...

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Plus GW has taken a big step back into a bunch of folks hearts with all a fair few of their recent releases

GS cults
30K box games
The various flavours of CMS (with actual differences once again)

(plus all the other stuff like silver tower etc)

there's a lot less need for a new saviour when the old one stops drinking and starts showing up for work again

This has been a huge thing. GW has really stepped up its game with regard to the models and boxed games - and you don't need to wait a year for wave 1 and an additional 6 months for wave 2. Now if they can only get the gigantic clusterfeth that is the current 40k rules under some sort of control with 8th, and a fully resurgent GW will really eat Mantic's lunch. I know that in the last couple of years I've gone from spending very little on GW (with the exception of the odd FW order) to spending quite a lot, and Mantic have just become less relevant to me. (Though I do still like KoW).

 Azazelx wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Plus GW has taken a big step back into a bunch of folks hearts with all a fair few of their recent releases

GS cults
30K box games
The various flavours of CMS (with actual differences once again)

(plus all the other stuff like silver tower etc)

there's a lot less need for a new saviour when the old one stops drinking and starts showing up for work again

This has been a huge thing. GW has really stepped up its game with regard to the models and boxed games - and you don't need to wait a year for wave 1 and an additional 6 months for wave 2. Now if they can only get the gigantic clusterfeth that is the current 40k rules under some sort of control with 8th, and a fully resurgent GW will really eat Mantic's lunch. I know that in the last couple of years I've gone from spending very little on GW (with the exception of the odd FW order) to spending quite a lot, and Mantic have just become less relevant to me. (Though I do still like KoW).

This is applicable to me as well. I went from being extremely hopeful about Mantic (I've got a fair few Enforcers, FF, Plague, and Marauders) to seeing those things just kind of twist in the wind. Meanwhile, I have the Killteam box set en route for Christmas to act as a sort of stopgap for the rules.. I absolutely won't play 40k with the complicated mess they've created but with Firefight not being in my hands I can't genuinely compare it for a feel.

It also seems like Mantic's previous view of "bring whatever models" is starting to become a bit more "eh.. well.. bring whatever you want as long as we don't have a model for it..".. That's just my perception from online conversations I've been reading though.. so maybe someone who is more in tune with Mantic proper can speak to that..

Spent several hours last night poring over my Warpath books, mainly on Warpath proper. Rules look easy and intuitive. Best LOS rules I've ever seen. Really great suppression rules. Command and orders look super cool. Looks like what 40k should have become, looks like what Medge was trying to be.

As for minis, I got Interceptor battle group and my freebie vehicle was another Interceptor. Good quality, dry fits exceptionally well. I hate the 40k imperial flyer aesthetic and this fits right in with "near future sci fi" perfect for Infinity and other sci fi games. Each plastic kit allows you to make the dropship or to make a ground attack bomber. Also have the metal bits to make the dropship w/ antitank guns. Glad I got 4!

When does the Warpath/Firefight rulebook hit retail?

I've all ready gotten my digital Warpath and Firefight books. However, that is ALL I have gotten other than an update on December 7 saying they will email me when They ship my stuff.

I'm in the same boat. Looks like they're in the process of shipping to the US/CA. No idea if they'll get stuff to AU/NZ before the EoY as they hoped, but I've got a feeling that the UK/EU will get theirs before Christmas.

I only got a shipping notification because I have a FedEx account tagged to my address so it notified me that a package was inbound. My buddy who lives ten minutes away got his Forge Fathers on Friday, and didn't receive a shipping notification.

According to Mantic they were shipping further away stuff first and shipping UK stuff last.

I received my Warpath pledge last week, only the day after I got the shipping notice. Funny thing is, I had emailed Mantic the week prior asking for a refund in store credit because I decided I wanted the Walking Dead Kickstarter edition more, lol (of course it was too late, as I knew it probably would be).

Not sure if I will keep my Warpath stuff or sell it. I almost didn't pledge to begin with, and don't really have time or energy for another game (plus I would like to get more funds for the Mythic Battles pledge manager when it comes out next month). I'm really trying to avoid new miniatures games and instead focus on the ones I have that I like best, but maybe picking up self-contained board or dice games when I feel I want something different or new.

Ah, that kind of shipping notice. Well, I guess we'll see then. I'm sure we'll see Aussie shipments start to arrive in batched in the comments once they begin. Though we're actually further away than the US, and a smaller batch, so I wouldn't be surprised to see UK backers prioritised over us.

BigDaddio wrote:
Not sure if I will keep my Warpath stuff or sell it. I almost didn't pledge to begin with, and don't really have time or energy for another game (plus I would like to get more funds for the Mythic Battles pledge manager when it comes out next month).

PM me with the details of your pledge, I may be interested. After another evening with the rules I can say that I haven't been this excited for a game in a long time. My poor DFC stuff is sitting on an Ikea table partially assembled haha

I downloaded the rules after your post Judge, I'll try to get a group running here the moment my pledge crosses half the world.

M.

I got my shipping notice on the 14th.

Some guys here want to give Warpath a try but are not happy with the Multibasing and going for the Hub rules from the Alpha Version.

So FireFight can be an option bug no one has the final rules here.
can someone PM me the detailed differences of WP and FF?

I have not delved into the Firefight rules yet, but I have noticed that the books have nearly all the same page reference numbers. It's quite brilliant.

I would just keep the multibasing tbh. It greatly simplifies things. I initially was absolutely against it but now I can see how it can literally speed up play by a lot - a lot. No fiddling with individual models especially for a horde army and no shifting models around by millimeters to get optimal positioning.

I'm waiting for some online discounters to put the preorders up for the official Warpath multibases and I'll be ordering a ton of them.

Some cheap ready to go multibases are what would get me to commit to trying out the game as intended.

If I can just plug them in, sounds good to me.


Of course that would also require my pledge to hurry up and arrive...

 kodos wrote:
Some guys here want to give Warpath a try but are not happy with the Multibasing and going for the Hub rules from the Alpha Version.

So FireFight can be an option bug no one has the final rules here.
can someone PM me the detailed differences of WP and FF?

If you cruise around the Mantic forums they're actually out there. I don't know if what's up is the latest and greatest but it appears to factor in some of the changes just no art and still xxxxx for page numbers. I am illustrating a rulebook for a client and time is really compressed at the moment or I would have tried to give it a shot.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Some cheap ready to go multibases are what would get me to commit to trying out the game as intended.

If I can just plug them in, sounds good to me..

Yeah, with the warpath bases have the little holes in them, I'm gonna put magnets there. I really like the idea of the same army being usable across Deadzone, Firefight, and Warpath.

 MLaw wrote:

Hmm.. I played Void 1.1 back before I-Kore sold it off to Scotia Grendel (released 2003 sold in 2006 IIRC) and it featured all of that, so it strikes me as odd that it's what is now being considered modern.

They're 'modern' because they're what modern players tend to be looking for, not specifically because they're new ideas.

That said, most games I played of 40k were objective based (though I tended to play tourney prep most of the time) but didn't they even switch over to picking a scenario as part of the mandatory game setup?

It's always been a part of the normal game setup... And you can still win by completely ignoring the objective and just tabling your opponent.

If anyone was wondering what was in this years crazy boxes, this is what I got in my Crazy Box Bundle:

Keldan - Resin from Dungeon Saga
Kings of War Chariot + Ogre
Skeleton with Skeleton Doggy
Dungeon Saga Infernal Crypts booster set
2 Dungeon Saga Doggies
5 Kings of War Basilean Men at Arms
5 Kings of War Succubi
5 Kings of War Ifrit


1 Mars Attacks Science guy
1 Mars Attacks Nova Viral Militia member (guy with big hat)
1 Mars Attacks Hero (Buck Spencer I think)


2 Deadzone Restic Marauder Mawbeasts
2 Deadzone Restic Marauder Commandos & 2 Deadzone Restic Marauder Goblin Snipers
1 Asterian Overseer
1 Asterian Black Talon & Special Weapon
2 Deadzone Restic Plague Doggies
6 Deadzone Restic Plague Troopers
1 Deadzone Resin Plague Aberration
Sprue of 2 Veer'myn Plastic Resin Nightmares
1 Veery'myn Night Terror

1 Dreadball Enforcer Keeper
1 Dreadball Marauder Keeper
1 Dreadball Veer'myn Keeper
1 Dreadball Forge Father Keeper

5 Restic Warpath Forge Father Stormrage Veterans
2 sprues of Battlezone terrain (Triangle sprue and extended length sprue)

 insaniak wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

Hmm.. I played Void 1.1 back before I-Kore sold it off to Scotia Grendel (released 2003 sold in 2006 IIRC) and it featured all of that, so it strikes me as odd that it's what is now being considered modern.

They're 'modern' because they're what modern players tend to be looking for, not specifically because they're new ideas.

That said, most games I played of 40k were objective based (though I tended to play tourney prep most of the time) but didn't they even switch over to picking a scenario as part of the mandatory game setup?

It's always been a part of the normal game setup... And you can still win by completely ignoring the objective and just tabling your opponent.

So wait.. in Warpath you can get wiped out and still win?

 MLaw wrote:
So wait.. in Warpath you can get wiped out and still win?

Oh man, I wish. I would love to play games where you can achieve an objective, get wiped out, but still win (such as a delaying action or something). But that would probably be more in line for scenarios.

On page 26, under "Victory", there is the line "If one player’s force is entirely wiped out, the game ends instantly and the opponent scores a major victory."

Strategic Assets are placed and Secondary Objectives are rolled for after initiative is determined but before deployment.

 judgedoug wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
So wait.. in Warpath you can get wiped out and still win?

Oh man, I wish. I would love to play games where you can achieve an objective, get wiped out, but still win (such as a delaying action or something). But that would probably be more in line for scenarios.

On page 26, under "Victory", there is the line "If one player’s force is entirely wiped out, the game ends instantly and the opponent scores a major victory."

Strategic Assets are placed and Secondary Objectives are rolled for after initiative is determined but before deployment.

Oh so basically he was just being snarky.. again.. For a minute I thought there was a "plant the bomb" type thing where you could start a reaction that would require some sort of objective interaction regardless of remaining forces to pull a win. I've been playing a lot of the Ghost in the Shell FPS lately and my mind has been in that mode. Had I known he was just being sarcastic I probably would've just eye-rolled. Would it be hard to incorporate a scenario like this in Firefight (I am assuming you're familiar with the Firefight rules.. which I haven't been able to go over)


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 Compel wrote:
If anyone was wondering what was in this years crazy boxes, this is what I got in my Crazy Box Bundle:

Keldan - Resin from Dungeon Saga
Kings of War Chariot + Ogre
Skeleton with Skeleton Doggy
Dungeon Saga Infernal Crypts booster set
2 Dungeon Saga Doggies
5 Kings of War Basilean Men at Arms
5 Kings of War Succubi
5 Kings of War Ifrit


1 Mars Attacks Science guy
1 Mars Attacks Nova Viral Militia member (guy with big hat)
1 Mars Attacks Hero (Buck Spencer I think)


2 Deadzone Restic Marauder Mawbeasts
2 Deadzone Restic Marauder Commandos & 2 Deadzone Restic Marauder Goblin Snipers
1 Asterian Overseer
1 Asterian Black Talon & Special Weapon
2 Deadzone Restic Plague Doggies
6 Deadzone Restic Plague Troopers
1 Deadzone Resin Plague Aberration
Sprue of 2 Veer'myn Plastic Resin Nightmares
1 Veery'myn Night Terror

1 Dreadball Enforcer Keeper
1 Dreadball Marauder Keeper
1 Dreadball Veer'myn Keeper
1 Dreadball Forge Father Keeper

5 Restic Warpath Forge Father Stormrage Veterans
2 sprues of Battlezone terrain (Triangle sprue and extended length sprue)

Is there any chance of you getting a picture of all that? It sounds like a lot but without a lot of time looking at their horribly slow (for me anyway) webstore I wouldn't know how much of a haul that is.. Would you say for your own personal opinion that it's a good deal? (I did look up the price and it looks like you got the $60 bundle (not sure what country you're in so I looked at USD). Was shipping bad?

 judgedoug wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
So wait.. in Warpath you can get wiped out and still win?

Oh man, I wish. I would love to play games where you can achieve an objective, get wiped out, but still win (such as a delaying action or something). But that would probably be more in line for scenarios.

On page 26, under "Victory", there is the line "If one player’s force is entirely wiped out, the game ends instantly and the opponent scores a major victory."

Strategic Assets are placed and Secondary Objectives are rolled for after initiative is determined but before deployment.

Infinity and Malifaux you win by objective points no matter if you have been 'wiped out'.

You can also win at least one of the KoW scenarios while having no models left on the field (Loot) and get a draw in the others.

I think it would behoove most games to make such victories possible. Killing stuff is reward in and of itself so it needs no further encouragement.

Yeah, it was the fantasy and sci fi bundle I got. And shipping was free, in the UK at least.

I've kind of already put it all away. As for the value, I dunno. It probably depends on how much stuff you have already. Going in for a bunch of the kickstarters, and the previous years crazy boxes, it wasn't the best 'value' for me.

However... A bunch of the Dungeon Saga / Kings of War stuff, though too many from what I can use in the game itself, I'm sure would come in amazingly useful for any future RPGs or the like I'll take part in.

Similarly, Plague are going to be my Warpath army, so extra Plague dudes are always good. Overall, the Plague Aberration is probably the standout model in the crazy box and one of Mantic's best minis.



Technically speaking, it alone is worth about a quarter of the box.

Similarly, the Veer'myn Night Terror, isn't bad either.



I'll be able to make use of the Nightmares too - Which are just plastic, as in sprue plastic. I got my ordering/names confused with the Night terror.



I had 4 of these already, and there's 6 weapon options, so yeah, that'll be handy. The extra Asterians will be helpful too as alternative command models in Deadzone.

The terrain sprues, I'm not gonna lie, they're not the most useful scenery pieces in the world, and as they didn't come with a 'connector' sprue, you're kinda limited with what you can make if you don't own any battlezone scenery at all. Even so, you'll still be able to put together a couple of things along the lines of this:



Depending on what sprues you get.