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I'd have figured the Death and Ravenwing detachments mentioned in the previews would be the first thing people with the book would be mentioning.

Or is it only me who wants to know what theme list building potential there is and associated gimmicks before worrying about how to make power builds?

Look at the Lion's Blade. That's about as fluffy and themey as it gets... All we would need now is the Changeling that "gifts" Teleport Homers to Fallen

I don't think this person (Alendrel on Faeit) actually has the book. They are getting leaks from the digital book or something... because they said they had no clue about Azrael being a LoW.

To be fair, our flyers were never really much on the AA dept. Mostly just anti ground units, but now we can actually force enemy fliers to jink!

Unless its a Heldrake. A 5+ is good enough and give me the utmost trouble, especially with a Lion's blade detachment...
And I can'T even take a Fire Raptor to help!

And yes, Alendrel said he was using the glossary that was wrongly available. This is where the leaks come from.

I'm really wanting to know where Black Knights or Ravenwing command squads fit in all of this. They are hands down my favorite unit, and it looks like they are CAD only atm :(

For the first time since... well, pretty much ever, Dark Angels don't suck.

Most of this sounds like a drastic improvement. I like it.

Holy gak.. Time for a fething Dark Talon baby!! Kaboom!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40k-Dark-Angels-Codex-Limited-Reclusiam-Edition-Pre-Order-/281728294287?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4198509d8f

Really??? Is it even sold out yet?

Let the speculation and price gouging begin! All of you that ordered multiples of the LE stuff better sell them soon before GW replaces it in 1-2 years and it becomes almost worthless!

Do we know if DA will get access to the centurions?

 Nyoom wrote:
Do we know if DA will get access to the centurions?

Centurions(and Stormravens, before anyone asks again) aren't being listed as part of the Dark Angels forces right now so I don't think so.

Plus we would have seen them listed somewhere in the leaked Force Org Charts.

Centurions and Stormravens don't really fit with the Dark Angels style of warfare IMO.

Wow, I'm glad I got my LE codex at 12:00 noon when it was first posted on their website! I honestly don't think that codex will ever sell at $800... the 36 watchers are probably codex owners or curious folk trying to see if it will ever sell. I did see one sell overseas on ebay for $300. $300 = probably reasonable, $800 = dreaming hobby gouger. Although the buyer for that $300 book must have been from overseas too as the codex was still available on the US website when that book was bought!

No more DWA on turn 1!!!! boo
No more Belial precision Deep Strike? boo
Everything else - yay!!!

Better ravenwing! More optioned Deathwing! It also seems that green wing is better too! And Grav weapons!!! So much win

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Centurions and Stormravens don't really fit with the Dark Angels style of warfare IMO.

True enough. I excpect grav terminators though

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nyoom wrote:
Do we know if DA will get access to the centurions?

Centurions(and Stormravens, before anyone asks again) aren't being listed as part of the Dark Angels forces right now so I don't think so.

Plus we would have seen them listed somewhere in the leaked Force Org Charts.

True, but a boy can dream. I was hoping to put some with my deathwing.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nyoom wrote:
Do we know if DA will get access to the centurions?

Centurions(and Stormravens, before anyone asks again) aren't being listed as part of the Dark Angels forces right now so I don't think so.

Plus we would have seen them listed somewhere in the leaked Force Org Charts.

Neither are Landspeeder Storms or Scout bikes.

The 10th Company support Auxiliary in Lions Blade Strike force only says 1-5 Squads of Scouts.

Lumping Scouts as just plain units makes them an unattractive addition, although cheap. No word yet if they have the same buff as C:SM.

 raiden wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Centurions and Stormravens don't really fit with the Dark Angels style of warfare IMO.

True enough. I excpect grav terminators though

since GW doesn't make a grav terminator weapon (at least not in DW) I don't think you'll see this

Kanluwen wrote:

CrashGordon94 wrote:
Mace of Absolution sounds better, sounds like DW Knights will be a real force to be reckoned with!

Any word on Azrael/Belial/Sammy's FOC moving being gone or staying?

It's gone, but there are alternate Detachments allowing for similar things--which seemingly don't require you to field the special character.

rollawaythestone wrote:FOC changing is a thing of the past. Expect formations to be the way you get significant changes to your army composition.

Well that's a shame. Mostly because I've heard of Deathwing and Ravenwing formations but not a DeathRaven combo one, and I'd honestly rather just use the traditional warped CAD than fool around with this specialty formation nonsense.

I suppose if they're flexible enough it'll be fine.

Here's another pointless rule for you: Interrogator Chaplain gained fear.

It's useless but at least it's fluffy.

I am glad that I still have the Interrogator-Chaplain Seraphicus model from the LE Dark Vengeance, because this new one has a power fist for some completely nonsensical reason.

 TedNugent wrote:
Here's another pointless rule for you: Interrogator Chaplain gained fear.

It's useless but at least it's fluffy.

I am glad that I still have the Interrogator-Chaplain Seraphicus model from the LE Dark Vengeance, because this new one has a power fist for some completely nonsensical reason.

Those models are selling for $35-40 on ebay right now. I may have found my second chance to unload my extras

I'm sure it will be selling for more on Ebay shortly.

Another not so obvious big improvement was the blade of caliban not being unwieldly. +1 str and the +1ws from the company champ that is the same price as a power sword for a regular guy is pretty good. Plus being a character.

The sacred standard granting relentless to a drop podding squad of company vets with grav weapons will be a pricey venture but it can delete whole units. Think of what that can do do a centurian star.

*sigh*, Looks like my Daemons & Chaos Marine allies have been firmly relegated back to the Shelf of Woes... Overwatch at full BS literally kills off my allied CSM assaulters, Deathwing Termies look like they're now Chaos Termies +10, and DA's (like Vanillas and Eldar) can utterly gimp my poor Tzeentchian psychics.

Maybe Chaos will get some love before 100th edition, though I highly doubt it...


Guess I'll go ahead with building the small pile of Black Templars I've been slowly collecting up... oh wait, they're assault based too.

Maybe one day GW will make Assault worth a damn?!

I would relax considering we still have not seen anything about DA Termies that makes them look good.

At least in the last book they had TL weapons on the turn they arrived and split fire, but even then, unlike Chaos Terminators, they could not take combi-weapons like combi meltas and they were extremely overpriced on a point-per-model basis. So basically you got TL storm bolters for 10PPM over Chaos Terms.

I would have taken the Chaos Terms last dex TBH.

I preordered the LE codex (probably not a good use of my money at this point but hey!). I just hope that I don't have to go CAD to use my Nephy now since I don't want to buy 2 more flyers at this point. Maybe the Ravenwing strike force can take just 1 (fingers crossed). Love all the other cool stuff we're gonna get, I'm almost having a religious experience just reading about it!

 TedNugent wrote:
I would relax considering we still have not seen anything about DA Termies that makes them look good.

At least in the last book they had TL weapons on the turn they arrived and split fire, but even then, unlike Chaos Terminators, they could not take combi-weapons like combi meltas and they were extremely overpriced on a point-per-model basis. So basically you got TL storm bolters for 10PPM over Chaos Terms.

I would have taken the Chaos Terms last dex TBH.

Deathwing get 100% safe & precision Deep Strike. Chaos for some stupid reason get zilch.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
I would relax considering we still have not seen anything about DA Termies that makes them look good.

At least in the last book they had TL weapons on the turn they arrived and split fire, but even then, unlike Chaos Terminators, they could not take combi-weapons like combi meltas and they were extremely overpriced on a point-per-model basis. So basically you got TL storm bolters for 10PPM over Chaos Terms.

I would have taken the Chaos Terms last dex TBH.

Deathwing get 100% safe & precision Deep Strike. Chaos for some stupid reason get zilch.

Deep strike is never safe unless you get to alpha strike with a considerable amount of firepower. The jury's still out on that.

Termies are expensive as hell, and if you read the actual rules, they only get precise deep strike IF they have a model on the board at the start of the turn within 12" of that model from the same formation. And that's if you follow the formation rules, so that's neither free nor without restriction. If you have to model on the board at the start of the turn, first question is, how do you get it where you want the Termies on turn 2, and second question is, how is it going to survive when it's the only thing on the board?

Wait, Ravenwing gives you re-rolls to jink saves?

With the shrouded Telepathy power your entire army has a re-rollable 2+ jink save?