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BrookM wrote: So, is this game going to be a PC game first, or a piece of fething piss gak port made for gak consoles first and for the PC as an afterthought?
Given the hardware capabilities of the consoles I'd imagine that even if they say they aren't going to cap the game they will. If they made the game to run on a decent PC first then I'm sure that the console gamers would be pissed off once they found out they were running their copy on one of the lower graphics settings. Meh, that's why Bethesda released a hi-res texture pack for the PC version of Skyrim, and what all those graphical improvement mods are for (that and if you're really dying for better graphics at launch before any mods are out you can just go into the .ini files and change things like the draw distance, which based on what's been seen is no better than Skyrim's).
I'd hate to see a repeat of Fallout 3, which ran quite gakky on the PC on release because of inept coding and general laziness that was mostly fixed through mods and the like.
Look at Skyrim and assume they're going for the same model. My opinion is that they'll release it catering for the consoles as those gamers will whine if it doesn't run properly (and youknow the whole thing Bethesda has with Microsoft and its Xbox consoles). Whereas if they release a crappier product on the PC, yes those gamers will also whine, but they can fix the issue themselves with mods.
Let's see if there's a repeat of the "Xbox has all the DLC months earlier than everyone else" thing that they've been doing recently too. Its annoying, but again at least on PC it wasn't as much of an issue as there were other mods to tide people over till the official stuff comes out. Woe to anyone on a Playstation though, ah, but yeah, like I care. Who's playing a Bethesda game on a console, really?
Meh, with consoles my thoughts are "why don't you just plug a console controller into your PC and hook the monitor into your Tv?". ...Or youknow the whole purpose of those Steam machine things.
Well in my case the only PC I have is my laptop, which runs the indie and strategy games I like to play on it just fine.
Any other games we play on the console so I don't have to worry about what will work, how well it will work, maintaining a high-end PC so that it works well and so on and so forth.
Also means I can get my Civ on while she's playing the console
But I know that any means of trying to reason with the PC master race is futile, so I'll leave it there. Maybe one day they'll realize that different folks have different setups that work for them, and they'll come to an understanding and acceptance. But it is not this day...
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Alex C wrote: . Maybe one day they'll realize that different folks have different setups that work for them, and they'll come to an understanding and acceptance. But it is not this day...
That day will dawn when games development isn't degraded by catering to the lowest common denominator, i.e. consoles.
Huh, see IIRC the last time Bethesda sold a similar game it was the retailers of the hard copy that were giving away the codes, not outlets like Steam. Well that was for Fallout, I don't know if Skyrim had any pre-order exclusives. Which bar just wanting a hard copy for ease of installing the game (which is automatically added to the Steam library in case I ever lose the disc), the extra content's always a bonus. That and you get the guide and, at least in Skyrim's case, a map too. Hmn, it'd be nice if the hard copy of Fallout 4 were to come with that nice cloth map that Skyrim came with actually, or maybe post cards of in-game locations like that Warhammer RTS came with.
Oh yes, when I pre-ordered New Vegas I got the codes for both the Vault Dweller kit (armoured vault suit, 10mm pistol and Vault 13 canteen) and the Road Warrior styled stuff (leather armour + shotgun etc.) along with a pair of New Vegas themed Vault Boy t-shirts.
Given that FO4 will allegedly take 400 hours to finish, how many of those hours will be aimlessly wandering around doing essentially the same thing al la Skyrim?
Basically will FO4 be extremely broad but extremely shallow?
Silent Puffin? wrote: Given that FO4 will allegedly take 400 hours to finish, how many of those hours will be aimlessly wandering around doing essentially the same thing al la Skyrim?
Basically will FO4 be extremely broad but extremely shallow?
Obviously. However they seem to have put a bit more detail into the locations than previously and upped the amount of extra crap you can do outside of the meat of the game.
When that guy said that he'd played 400 hours and not done everything my thoughts were, "aye, probably because all the randomly generated crap" and "aye, I put in hundreds of hours into those games to, but I only ever completed the main quests once or twice and its not as if I could be bothered playing every single hard to find quest". Yes though, I could see putting in a lot of time if you want to say play all the settlement stuff, or collect all the items (for instance the Pip-Boy upgrades).
I just hope that the part where they mention you can zoom out to get a top down view works well.
if they do that, and make sure every quest and story arc can be done killy, talky, sneaky, ect and good arcs for evil, good, and neutral chars ill be happy.
Or in other words: the graphics need to be dialed back because consoles can't handle them.
Good. The graphics we have seen are more than good enough for my purposes. At this point I'd much rather have double the draw distance than double the resolution on the textures.
This would be a good argument if PC's had any trouble handling both at the same time.
Unless it is The Witcher 3 E3 demo graphics in the final Witcher 3 open world, in which case they can't.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
1. Vehicles.
I've been asking for this for years. New Vegas has a mod for vehicles, but that mod stopped working for me before I earned enough money to buy a car. Writing the game with vehicles in mind instead of some hobbyist trying to stitch them on on their own is bound to work better.
2. Better gunplay.
Absolutely. If the game functions reasonably as a first person shooter or a third person shooter in its own right, that would be great. For starters, letting us assign 1-9 hotkeys to specific weapons like a real FPS would be a lot better than having to go to the menu.
3. Make the epic moments epic.
Yep. This comes back to what I was saying about the graphics. I'd rather see the horsepower of modern PCs used to do more on screen - like pitched battles with dozens of soldiers on each side, or battlelines spanning entire city blocks - than just improving the texture quality of individual soldiers.
4. Less bugs.
Bethesda's games haven't been too bad for this. Yes, there are problems (like triggering a quest checkpoint in Dawnguard while Serana wasn't actually following me, meaning I had to "call" her along for the rest of the quest instead of having her auto-follow), but the only times I've actually seen crashes is by trying to put in incompatible mods or in New Vegas.
5. A livelier world.
See #3. Even if you have to use more generic NPCs and buildings to do it, bulking out the game world would make places like cities feel more like cities.
6. Improved karma.
Learning from New Vegas would be a good idea. Instead of worrying about whether an act is good or bad, the game should know what any of the various factions would think about it, and whether they would find out.
7. More Obsidian-like characters.
Another thing I have asked for, but not for the same reason. I don't want "more morally ambiguous", I want "more fleshed out". A good person doesn't need to be made less good to be interesting, just give them more of a personality and more things to talk about.
8. An even more hardcore mode.
Maybe a little more hardcore. Add Frostfall to NV's hardcore mode, and that's about what I'd be looking for. A mode where we have to think about things like "There's a rainstorm coming - I need to find a place to hole up for the night so I don't freeze. I'd better kill these raiders too, so that they won't catch me sleeping."
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
Gamer saves caps to 'buy' Fallout 4.
I hope Bethesda gives in to good publicity and lets it work, this time.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Going by the Ebay price of £3.40 for 100 bottle caps: (2240 / 100) x 3.40 = 76.16. The game retails for like £30. So... Unless we're talking the price of 2240 bottles of beer or the effort of picking up loose ones off the street or the ramifications for x number of guys sitting there drinking a dozen bottle a night regularly... Heh, up to the marketing department whether they rise to this, though I'm sure if they do anyone else who tries this isn't going to have the same chance.
Silent Puffin? wrote: That day will dawn when games development isn't degraded by catering to the majority, i.e. console owners and people with weaker computers
Well, I have the xbone collectors version pre-ordered and my wife and I have agreed to buy ourselves an xbone between ourselves as an early Christmas present.
Personally as long as the game is fun, I don't really care if the draw distance and graphics quality are not the best I could possibly have if I were running on a top spec pc.
Also liking what I heard about the xbone version being able to run mods fron the pc version; that has always been my main complaint with console games.
SilverMK2 wrote: Well, I have the xbone collectors version pre-ordered and my wife and I have agreed to buy ourselves an xbone between ourselves as an early Christmas present.
Personally as long as the game is fun, I don't really care if the draw distance and graphics quality are not the best I could possibly have if I were running on a top spec pc.
Also liking what I heard about the xbone version being able to run mods fron the pc version; that has always been my main complaint with console games.
Be warned the mods for console likely won't be too hot. Most of the better mods for Bethesda games require script extenders which is unlikely to go on console let alone run at a good fps with all them mods installed.
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