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In Fallout 2 the NCR simply had police clothing from memory.

I didn't get far into new vegas but they all had weird brown clothes.

And they could certainly use the non NCR armour from Lonesmome road as the model. Maybe they could stick the the elite riot armour somewhere as a unique? That would a nice little Easter egg/homage.


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 Swastakowey wrote:
In Fallout 2 the NCR simply had police clothing from memory.

I didn't get far into new vegas but they all had weird brown clothes.

It's only the NCR rangers, and it's relatively late game.




And the elite riot gear.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

It's only the NCR rangers, and it's relatively late game.[/img]

NRC Elite Ranger armor can be obtained relatively early on and usually is a mid-game option. Lategame, you just use Power Armor.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

It's only the NCR rangers, and it's relatively late game.[/img]

NRC Elite Ranger armor can be obtained relatively early on and usually is a mid-game option. Lategame, you just use Power Armor.

Unless you're role playing and don't want it. :p

My second character is a wannabe cowboy and wandering scavenger who joins the NCR.

Desert Ranger Combat Armour can be obtained in a cave in Zion Canyon (Honest Hearts DOC). The best thing about it is that it's not tied to the NCR Faction, so faction reputations remain normal when you wear it. You can walk right into the Legion Fort wearing it. Looks cool too. But it's a mid game item, the Honest Hearts DLC is for lvl 20+ or something.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

It's only the NCR rangers, and it's relatively late game.[/img]

NRC Elite Ranger armor can be obtained relatively early on and usually is a mid-game option. Lategame, you just use Power Armor.

Unless you're role playing and don't want it. :p

My second character is a wannabe cowboy and wandering scavenger who joins the NCR.

I found it on a dead patrol while exploring the Wasteland, just before getting ambushed myself - so it seemed like the very same ambush killed the NCR ranger. Still within roleplaying borders

Also, a tip for maintaining Ranger Armour. It costs a bloody fortune to have a vendor repair Ranger Combat Armour from 0 to 100%. But if you raise your Repair skill to 90, the Jury Rigging perk will let you use any Armour of the same weight category to repair it.

Did they ever make a mod to fix the NCR hit team bug, where they wouldn't spawn after the first warning meetup?

I was lucky enough to aquire both the Ranger Sequoia and NCR combat armor off that lady and her crew. No NCR fights makes me sad and the game more bland. The Legion puts up poor fights, with the wolfhead guy always running.

I always use Joshua Graham's light armor, It keeps death possible, never use power armor, don't like it. In 3 the Hellfire armor was the only thing I wanted to wear tho'.

Honest Hearts is my favorite DLC, didn't like it the first time through. Lonesome Road close 2nd.

Dead Money is annoyingly good, screw the speakers and the Ghost People are wussies. They needed to be near unkillable for them to work. I killed the scary unkillable 'ghost' fungas spore infested man/woman with a cutting knife, go me. The fog was perfect. Story, characters and rewards are awesome. I always get the gold.

Old World Blues, good story, but not the most interesting. A great breakaway, but Lonesome Road does what it does faster and better. Who needs a .308 sniper when you got an anti-material.

Honestly , Fallout New Vegas would be kinda forgettable if not for the badass DLC. 3's DLC wasn't very good, IME.

I'm sorry, Broken Steel had Liberty prime. Your argument is invalid.

If keep walking around in the same uneventful world practically unchanged is your idea of good, great. Not for me.
I thought Liberty Prime was base game story.

I however will consider myself invalid

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What was the NV ending you guys chose?

In the end...I picked House. I was going to pick Independant for the entire playthrough but then...reconsidered. Sure, my character was The Wasteland Messiah. Maximum positive karma, killed Cesar. Yet - the character had no experience in leading and maintaining a society. And would sitting on my butt for most of the time really fit? After all, at the end of the game, you are as much of a demi-god as one can be, literally pointing my finger at people will make them explode while being nigh-immortal in the power armor. Is such a being the right one to sit around and rule?

By siding with house, the control is given to House, a man with hundreds of years of experience who only did what's best for the strip. He allows the NCR to further dwell in the Mojave, allowing them to further do good. Most of all, you are his right and free to to what you choose. You still control House as you have the power to kill him immediately. Yet you are allowed to wander around and continue doing good, just as you did all the time before. House offers control and safety for the entire region and you, as a demi-god, the Courier, assure that all goes into the right direction.

Thoughts?

...and really, who ever seriously chooses Legion?

NCR the first time. They had their problems, but it seemed like the best chance for the Mojave to me.

...oh, and the Brotherhood can really screw themselves. All the work and they give you an outdated, almost broken power armor? On top of not being true Brotherhood of Steel, but rather a bunch of yesterday outcasts? Yeah...knock knock, your end has come, say hello to my Tesla friend.

It has been speculated that you as a character WERE a Powersuit pilot, and that was why you get woken, they needed a old soldier thawed out to help out, "Buck Rogers" style. And that you have the ability to make different suit parts work together just makes you more bad-ass so anyone gets mad at you is in trouble as you go all Iron Man on them.


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"Heavy boots of lead, fills his victims full of dread"

House was the man with the plan, the Courier is a man of action. The Courier killing house is the worst outcome. Anybody who built themself with 10 intelligence was only fooling themself(snarf snarf)

In theory NCR is the good and Legion is bad. In practice they are both the same, maybe Legion even leading.

NCR:pro-different people, as long as they can use and abuse them. Expansion/war hungry, to cover up their inequal practices. Oppress with laws, unequal, 'not knowing the history'

Legion; Supposedly anti-LGBT, but in practice not really(source Veronica) Keeps trade going, only butchers 'NCR and proud types', scumbags, and enough to make a statement. The town they destoryed near Novak was a scum-hole. They buy slaves from people who SELL them, and prisoners(NCR/gangs).

I didn't really get that legion was as bad as Ulyesses made them out to be. The White Legs were tools that needed to be butchered after everything, to make them obedient, more than just butchers who didn't know how to survive, except by scavenging, AKA worthless. I have a feeling Ulyesses may have been the only worthwhile Twisted Hair.
Caeser read the history, wanted to start over from scratch.

If they were that bad there would be no empire to rule. Maybe they are, and it didn't come across as clear as it was supposed to. Maybe it is a game

The Dead Horses and Sorrows would have fit into the legion just fine b/c they could survive(the 'survivalist' allowed them to). It was the fact they allied with the New Canaanites that got them death ordered. The White Legs were tools that didn't know they were already dead, as stated above.

I love Fallout New Vegas, nothing about 3 was worth thinking about.

 Sigvatr wrote:
What was the NV ending you guys chose?

In the end...I picked House. I was going to pick Independant for the entire playthrough but then...reconsidered. Sure, my character was The Wasteland Messiah. Maximum positive karma, killed Cesar. Yet - the character had no experience in leading and maintaining a society. And would sitting on my butt for most of the time really fit? After all, at the end of the game, you are as much of a demi-god as one can be, literally pointing my finger at people will make them explode while being nigh-immortal in the power armor. Is such a being the right one to sit around and rule?

By siding with house, the control is given to House, a man with hundreds of years of experience who only did what's best for the strip. He allows the NCR to further dwell in the Mojave, allowing them to further do good. Most of all, you are his right and free to to what you choose. You still control House as you have the power to kill him immediately. Yet you are allowed to wander around and continue doing good, just as you did all the time before. House offers control and safety for the entire region and you, as a demi-god, the Courier, assure that all goes into the right direction.

Thoughts?

...and really, who ever seriously chooses Legion?

I chose legion once.
It was surprisingly fun, but woefully under developped.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
What was the NV ending you guys chose?

In the end...I picked House. I was going to pick Independant for the entire playthrough but then...reconsidered. Sure, my character was The Wasteland Messiah. Maximum positive karma, killed Cesar. Yet - the character had no experience in leading and maintaining a society. And would sitting on my butt for most of the time really fit? After all, at the end of the game, you are as much of a demi-god as one can be, literally pointing my finger at people will make them explode while being nigh-immortal in the power armor. Is such a being the right one to sit around and rule?

By siding with house, the control is given to House, a man with hundreds of years of experience who only did what's best for the strip. He allows the NCR to further dwell in the Mojave, allowing them to further do good. Most of all, you are his right and free to to what you choose. You still control House as you have the power to kill him immediately. Yet you are allowed to wander around and continue doing good, just as you did all the time before. House offers control and safety for the entire region and you, as a demi-god, the Courier, assure that all goes into the right direction.

Thoughts?

...and really, who ever seriously chooses Legion?

I chose legion once.
It was surprisingly fun, but woefully under developped.

Legion was the most unique, that's for sure. All the others more or less play out the same exact way.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

It's only the NCR rangers, and it's relatively late game.[/img]

NRC Elite Ranger armor can be obtained relatively early on and usually is a mid-game option. Lategame, you just use Power Armor.

Huh, I didn't get to it for a while. Although that could be because I was firmly NCR and didn't go around killing rangers for their armour or anything. I had to wait until I had access to the NCR vault thing, and not having any guides (or the DLC) my first playthrough meant I didn't get it until mid-late game. I used that until I got the stealth armour mk.II, and then the elite armour, in which case I carried both around like the hoarder I am.


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 Wolfblade wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
What was the NV ending you guys chose?

In the end...I picked House. I was going to pick Independant for the entire playthrough but then...reconsidered. Sure, my character was The Wasteland Messiah. Maximum positive karma, killed Cesar. Yet - the character had no experience in leading and maintaining a society. And would sitting on my butt for most of the time really fit? After all, at the end of the game, you are as much of a demi-god as one can be, literally pointing my finger at people will make them explode while being nigh-immortal in the power armor. Is such a being the right one to sit around and rule?

By siding with house, the control is given to House, a man with hundreds of years of experience who only did what's best for the strip. He allows the NCR to further dwell in the Mojave, allowing them to further do good. Most of all, you are his right and free to to what you choose. You still control House as you have the power to kill him immediately. Yet you are allowed to wander around and continue doing good, just as you did all the time before. House offers control and safety for the entire region and you, as a demi-god, the Courier, assure that all goes into the right direction.

Thoughts?

...and really, who ever seriously chooses Legion?

I chose legion once.
It was surprisingly fun, but woefully under developped.

Legion was the most unique, that's for sure. All the others more or less play out the same exact way.

And it was going to be a lot more developed too, but they didn't have the time (goddamit, bethesda!).

Ever wondered how Boone's wife was sold with a marksman look out. How did the seller meet the buyer? The unarmed Legion corpses at the bridge show a small group of legion tried to make direct contact with Novak. Revenge for that(Boone killed them)? Did the old lady make contact before the deaths?

Why were Powder Gangers(NCR escapees) Legion(NCR's unfriend) and NCR(shoot first) all at Nipton? NCR had New Vegas for that.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

It's only the NCR rangers, and it's relatively late game.[/img]

NRC Elite Ranger armor can be obtained relatively early on and usually is a mid-game option. Lategame, you just use Power Armor.

Huh, I didn't get to it for a while. Although that could be because I was firmly NCR and didn't go around killing rangers for their armour or anything. I had to wait until I had access to the NCR vault thing, and not having any guides (or the DLC) my first playthrough meant I didn't get it until mid-late game. I used that until I got the stealth armour mk.II, and then the elite armour, in which case I carried both around like the hoarder I am.


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 Wolfblade wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
What was the NV ending you guys chose?

In the end...I picked House. I was going to pick Independant for the entire playthrough but then...reconsidered. Sure, my character was The Wasteland Messiah. Maximum positive karma, killed Cesar. Yet - the character had no experience in leading and maintaining a society. And would sitting on my butt for most of the time really fit? After all, at the end of the game, you are as much of a demi-god as one can be, literally pointing my finger at people will make them explode while being nigh-immortal in the power armor. Is such a being the right one to sit around and rule?

By siding with house, the control is given to House, a man with hundreds of years of experience who only did what's best for the strip. He allows the NCR to further dwell in the Mojave, allowing them to further do good. Most of all, you are his right and free to to what you choose. You still control House as you have the power to kill him immediately. Yet you are allowed to wander around and continue doing good, just as you did all the time before. House offers control and safety for the entire region and you, as a demi-god, the Courier, assure that all goes into the right direction.

Thoughts?

...and really, who ever seriously chooses Legion?

I chose legion once.
It was surprisingly fun, but woefully under developped.

Legion was the most unique, that's for sure. All the others more or less play out the same exact way.

And it was going to be a lot more developed too, but they didn't have the time (goddamit, bethesda!).

Yeah, I liked the ending to the legion (well, the epilogue) kinda threw me for a loop, because while it was barbaric, is was still order, more than the NCR was able to impose in the vegas area. I liked the legion ending, but I feel none of the endings what I'd have really wanted in vegas. Maybe House for the true independence, but that's it I think.

Order, perhaps, but is giving up any independence or control really worth it? In my eyes the legion is no better than barbarians, who rape, kill, take slaves, and treat women as property. They shun many drugs and other health related thing that save lives. They keep things safe, but at what cost?

With house, he isn't really doing what's best for the strip, but what's best for him. He's a business man, who treats the strip as his little plaything, trying to bring back the past he misses so much. He is a sad creature, and not one fit to lead the Mojave. And he isn't even in control of the strip. The only thing he truly controls is his little tower. He is blind to almost anything that isn't within his sights. Many conspire against him, with him being blind to their machinations. Even with you to stop them, you are not immortal. The courrior will not be their forever to clean up his messes. And he, like ceaser, is just another dictator.

Really there is no "correct" path, just a choice between various levels of bad. IMO either NCR or independent is the way to go, although it depends on who your character is. My character endned up being a literal genius and outstanding leader, so I can see him leading for a time. Maybe work out a trade deal with the NCR, make peace with them. Make changes to unite the whole of the Mojave, so that they will never have the fear of instability again. Make a permanent truce with the NCR, they recognize the Mojave's sovereignty, and the mojave will act as another (allied) country. And maybe try and expose the corrupted officials for who they are.

In New Vegas, I sided with House. He actually had a plan, a vision, one that would lead the people in New Vegas to a better life. True, he would be a tyrant (his way or the highway), but a largely benign one that is genuinely interested in improving things. More importantly, he also had the tools, the knowledge, and the resources to do it. The NCR follows the old American Way too much: expand, absorb, exploit (Manifest Destiny and all that), as long as they're the stronger, they'll continue to devour the weaker into the NCR. The Legion, while bringing order to their lands, never struck me as being a lasting thing. I simply never could believe that the Legion would truly survive for long after Caesar's death. Sure, Lanius might hold it together out of sheer terror and fear, but there would be no real growth under Lanius.

JNC wrote:
Ever wondered how Boone's wife was sold with a marksman look out. How did the seller meet the buyer? The unarmed Legion corpses at the bridge show a small group of legion tried to make direct contact with Novak. Revenge for that(Boone killed them)? Did the old lady make contact before the deaths?

Why were Powder Gangers(NCR escapees) Legion(NCR's unfriend) and NCR(shoot first) all at Nipton? NCR had New Vegas for that.

It was a very curious situation. I liked Boome well enough I kept him as a partner for my playthrough(or what I played of it anyway).

 Sinful Hero wrote:

JNC wrote:
Ever wondered how Boone's wife was sold with a marksman look out. How did the seller meet the buyer? The unarmed Legion corpses at the bridge show a small group of legion tried to make direct contact with Novak. Revenge for that(Boone killed them)? Did the old lady make contact before the deaths?

Why were Powder Gangers(NCR escapees) Legion(NCR's unfriend) and NCR(shoot first) all at Nipton? NCR had New Vegas for that.

It was a very curious situation. I liked Boome well enough I kept him as a partner for my playthrough(or what I played of it anyway).

We already know that the Legion are very good at infiltration, so I doubt it was anything as simple as the legion waltz in declaring themselves and get it over and done with. It's possible that she met several different contacts who were under the guise of wanderers looking to stay at the hotel, and she knew the schedules of the lookouts, where any blind spots might be, perhaps even helped the Legion smuggle her out, using who she was the throw off anyone's suspicions. I think the legion dead on the bridge were unconnected, and simply where a raiding party may have tried their luck.

The whole Nipton scenario is explained in-game, I believe.

 shasolenzabi wrote:
It has been speculated that you as a character WERE a Powersuit pilot, and that was why you get woken, they needed a old soldier thawed out to help out, "Buck Rogers" style. And that you have the ability to make different suit parts work together just makes you more bad-ass so anyone gets mad at you is in trouble as you go all Iron Man on them.


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"Heavy boots of lead, fills his victims full of dread"

The leaked Kotaku script has the male character being an ex-soldier, so yes it is plausible that they would have been a powered armoured one (at least in the original games by the time of the war a good number of the military was equipped with Power Armour, with it being the National Guard that still wore Combat Armour).

On the ending.

House, whilst saying that he has a plan, is repeatedly talked about as being a man of the Old World. He's one of the guys who made the world like it is in the first place. Any grand plans he have could be all talk and bluster and mired in the ideals of a world now gone. Sure he says he'll have man on the moon, but that could be all sales talk, or him thinking that the world will just roll over for him. ...He does have a massive ego remember.

Canonically I think that Obsidian's going to go for the Independent ending. The Legion lost out in Van Buren and in the next game you were going to encounter the rest of the faction now at war with a religious sect made up of those fringe tribes and those who resented the Legion. The NCR are spent, having lost the majority of their forces even before New Vegas. Better for them to go home and lick their wounds instead of taking more territory that they can't hold (and to have a neutral buffer state between them and the Legion in the meantime).

Frankly have New Vegas independent is more interesting for the story. They're a new faction in that area of the wasteland not directly tied to one side or the other. In time they'll probably move away from the Legion, but I can see them not being too happy with the NCR given that they wanted to control them. See the Independent ending says that New Vegas falls into a state of anarchy, but that eventually it rises again to be a power in the wasteland. The game would be a bit pointless if the city became just another place like New Aroyo, which still with power within the faction wasn't as much of a driving force.

...And well the game's whole point was letting go of the past, letting New Vegas rise without ties to the older factions or house would permit that.

Just as long as by the time the next game comes the NCR hasn't recessed anymore... Though like I said Black Isle's plot for Fallout 5 had you going into former Legion territory and eventually further East till you eventually encountered the Hounds of Hecate warring and assimilating what remained of the Legion (and for all the Legion are called barbaric the Hounds are a band of seriously pissed off Tribals...). * Black Isle wanted to include the Legion in Van Buren, but didn't have the time to block them out, as was the case with New Vegas. The whole Hecate thing was supposed to be in Van Buren too, but they thought it detract from the NCR/Legion/Brotherhood war. ...Implying then that if Obsidian are following Van Buren's plot that we may not have seen the last of the Legion.

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Nipton was a wicked place, debased and corrupt. It served all comers, as long as they paid. Profligate troops, Powder Gangers, men of the Legion such as myself. The people here didn't care. It was a town of whores. For a pittance, the town agreed to lead those it had sheltered into a trap. Only when I sprang it did they realize they were caught inside it, too.
”— Vulpes Inculta

Stripped from the wiki, a pretty damning statement

No infiltration required, thus the Novak dead more than likely were unarmed when killed. Whether before or after, I know not, but I wouldn't walk up to a place I knew snipers were looking out at. They were more than likely under Vulpes Inculta's command, so....
Boone is the trained suspicious type to be aware of infiltrators, I don't think Legion expected Boone's murderousness.

Why couldn't I sellout Veronica to NCR, if I could enslave Gannon to Legion?
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I disagree, The House was an American HERO. The Courier is a mailman. House saved how many people, the wasteland has a population thanks to that great man.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Order, perhaps, but is giving up any independence or control really worth it? In my eyes the legion is no better than barbarians, who rape, kill, take slaves, and treat women as property. They shun many drugs and other health related thing that save lives. They keep things safe, but at what cost?

With house, he isn't really doing what's best for the strip, but what's best for him. He's a business man, who treats the strip as his little plaything, trying to bring back the past he misses so much. He is a sad creature, and not one fit to lead the Mojave. And he isn't even in control of the strip. The only thing he truly controls is his little tower. He is blind to almost anything that isn't within his sights. Many conspire against him, with him being blind to their machinations. Even with you to stop them, you are not immortal. The courrior will not be their forever to clean up his messes. And he, like ceaser, is just another dictator.

Really there is no "correct" path, just a choice between various levels of bad. IMO either NCR or independent is the way to go, although it depends on who your character is. My character endned up being a literal genius and outstanding leader, so I can see him leading for a time. Maybe work out a trade deal with the NCR, make peace with them. Make changes to unite the whole of the Mojave, so that they will never have the fear of instability again. Make a permanent truce with the NCR, they recognize the Mojave's sovereignty, and the mojave will act as another (allied) country. And maybe try and expose the corrupted officials for who they are.

Yeah, for all the order and a "special" sort of "civilization" that the legion brings, it's probably the worst choice. I do like they attempted to make no ending a "good" ending, but it just feels like you made everything worse than when you started.

The NCR and Leigon are traps to fall into. Kimble Caeser and House are the leaders.

What choices did your Courier make
Did you murder House, Brutus?
Did you nuke anybody? (Nuked em both b/c blood and fire is all they know. Give what they want?
Do you think a wandering mailmail settled down, or faded away.
Did your Courier deliver a detonation device off-screen, How smart was that?
Did Elija tell you you were greedy (just like him)? Was it true?
Did you listen to what everyone around thought of your character? Were you really important ?
Is the comic relief that is Old World Blues part of your cannon?

Also do you think the rest of the world had their own Mr House to think about them while their leaders killed them.

I just want to mention that I used Elite Riot Gear for my late game. Never even bothered with the Super-duper Enclave Power Armor. I just liked my Riot gear.

Also, most of the Ranger/Riot Gear Helmets can be worn WITH the 1st Recon Beret you get from Boone. So with the ERG Helmet and the Beret you can have +3 PER

JNC wrote:
The NCR and Leigon are traps to fall into. Kimble Caeser and House are the leaders.

What choices did your Courier make
Did you murder House, Brutus? Kept House alive, but powerless. Had Boone kill ceaser, because he deserved that revenge for what happened to him.
Did you nuke anybody? (Nuked em both b/c blood and fire is all they know. Give what they want? No, because (aside from being a tremendous loss of life), those were mostly civillan targets.
Do you think a wandering mailmail settled down, or faded away. Kept wandering, because that's all my character knew. Although the epilogue had him traveling west, I like to think he went east, to discover something new, as well as to think about everything that has happened to him
Did your Courier deliver a detonation device off-screen, How smart was that? He deliverd it yes, but did he know what he was doing? No. A terrible thing, but not something he could have predicted.
Did Elija tell you you were greedy (just like him)? Was it true? Greedy? Perhaps, but greed is only bad when you allow it to overtake your humanity. He saved thousands of lives, and never asked for a reward. Not recognition was needed. Simply the act of doing so was enough.
Did you listen to what everyone around thought of your character? Were you really important ? Important in many peoples lives, either as some sort of savior, or their worst nightmare. He made an impression and then left.
Is the comic relief that is Old World Blues part of your cannon? Yes, more than anything I can say yes to. OWB was, without a doubt, my favorite DLC, (which is hard, because I loved them all) The wastelands of fallout were always silly, bizare, strange. OWBs was only a reflection of that. And it greatly reminded me of old sci-fi comics and movies too, so it fit perfectly, IMO.

Also do you think the rest of the world had their own Mr House to think about them while their leaders killed them. Not quite sure what you are saying here?

That customization video. Its like a post apacalyptic minecraft.